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Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

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DOJ says names of two potential co-conspirators to whom Epstein wired $100k and $250k should stay secret

The Justice Department request came after NBC News asked a federal judge to unseal the names of two people Epstein paid and helped protect from prosecution.

[The payments came] days after the Miami Herald began publishing a series of investigative stories where victims criticized a plea deal he received in Florida in 2008.

As part of the plea agreement, Epstein secured a statement from federal prosecutors in Florida that the two individuals would not be prosecuted.

The payments became public after Epstein was indicted and arrested in New York in 2019 and asked to be released on bail. Federal prosecutors in New York filed a memorandum on July 16, 2019, that argued Epstein should remain in jail to prevent him from tampering with witnesses.

Prosecutors wrote that on Nov. 30, 2018, Epstein “wired $100,000 from a trust account he controlled, to an individual named as [REDACTED] a potential co-conspirator — and for whom Epstein obtained protection in — the NPA.”

Prosecutors added that “the same records show that just three days later, on or about December 3, 2018, the defendant wired $250,000 from the same trust account to [REDACTED], who was also named as a potential co-conspirator — and for whom Epstein also obtained protection in — the NPA.”
 
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How about the survivors? Are they liars also?

Epstein Survivors: ‘Trump Not Implicated’ In Misconduct


Survivors of Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse — and Ghislaine Maxwell — said they never saw President Donald Trump engage in misconduct, even as scrutiny of his ties to Epstein continues.​
In interviews with NBC News published Wednesday, several survivors and their families said they never saw either Trump or former President Bill Clinton involved in wrongdoing.​

How about the video of them saying so?


We have Trump denying the allegation - Maxwell who handled all the nastiness saying Trump never did anything and now the survivors stating on camera that Trump was not involved.


But hey! Trump is still guilty - right?
I think they realize that accusing Trump will keep the files from being released. It is the same type of thing we see when the tech CEOs cater to and thank Trump. He needs pampering to keep from responding harshly. They want the files released.


Michael Wolff, author of Fire and Fury, also interviewed Epstein with plans for a biography. There are tapes. He says he was shown a picture(s) of Trump with topless girls who were young. We know from Trump himself that he would go into the dressing rooms of the Miss Teen Universe contestants and "inspect" the contestants, which is pretty lecherous. We know that he was found liable for sexual assaut ("adjudicated rapist" per the judge). We know he bragged about kissing women and grabbing their privates against their will because we heard his say it in the Entertainment Tonight video.

I don't know if Trump is guilty but his actions sure seem to support it. Calling it a Democrat hoax looks like guilt to me.
If the files are released, they will be so redacted as to be useless. OR, as one DOJ aide, Joseph Schnitt, who was recently secretly videotaped, said they will redact all the Republicans but not the Democrats.

Then there is this, as Attorney Michael Popak wrote:
"There is only 1 lawyer on planet earth who cross examined Jeffrey Epstein 3 x on behalf of his child sex trafficking victims, and who filed the video of the depositions in the public record and his name is Spencer Kuvin." He has had a few interviews now. I need to review the interview better to make sure it is not too informative (as in graphic descriptions) to be on this site.
 
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For some people, yes, Trump is the devil himself and everything bad in the world is his fault.
You are the one saying it. None of the Democrats or left leading members are.
 
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Im willing to bet you'd find many Democrats were on Epstein client logs.
Democrats are not interested in protecting Democrats who have committed crimes.
 
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Im willing to bet you'd find many Democrats were on Epstein client logs.
Probably. There will be Republicans too if they are not all redacted out. A DOJ aide was caught on tape mentioning that.
 
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Probably. There will be Republicans too if they are not all redacted out. A DOJ aide was caught on tape mentioning that.
I guess the main reason neither Biden admin nor Trump admin have released is because it would be damaging to both sides.
 
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I guess the main reason neither Biden admin nor Trump admin have released is because it would be damaging to both sides.
The Biden administration did not make it an election issue, and Biden didn't interfere with the DOJ. Until this presidential term, the DOJs operated independently and presidents did not interfere. It was such a strong issue, that when ex-President Clinton spoke to Loretta Lynch on a tarmac for a few minutes, the right reacted hysterically, practically pulling their hair out (metaphorically). Now there is blatant interference by the President and the right does not care.
 
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The Biden administration did not make it an election issue, and Biden didn't interfere with the DOJ. Until this presidential term, the DOJs operated independently and presidents did not interfere. It was such a strong issue, that when ex-President Clinton spoke to Loretta Lynch on a tarmac for a few minutes, the right reacted hysterically, practically pulling their hair out (metaphorically). Now there is blatant interference by the President and the right does not care.
If they could have, with impunity, they would have.
 
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“So, this is a Democrat hoax that never ends. You know, it reminds me a little of the Kennedy situation,” Trump said in the Oval Office, referencing documents related to the assassination of former President Kennedy. “We gave them everything over and over again, more, and more and more. And nobody is ever satisfied. From what I understand, thousands of pages of documents have been given.

“But it’s really a Democrat hoax, because they’re trying to get people to talk about something that’s totally irrelevant to the success we’ve had as a nation since I’ve been president,” Trump added.

While delivering these comments, very real victims of Epstein were speaking in a press conference.

"....survivor Jess Michaels.

“For 27 years, I thought I was the only one that Jeffrey Epstein raped. I believed I was alone, and I was kept silent by the shame that was inside me and by the fear outside in the world,” she said. “But I wasn't the only one. None of us were. And what once kept us silent now fuels that fire and the power of our voices. We are not the footnotes in some infamous predator’s tabloid article. We are the experts and the subjects of this story. We are the proof that fear did not break us. And we don't just speak for ourselves, but for every survivor whose story is still unspoken…. This is what power looks like. Survivors united, voices joined, refusing to be dismissed. Know this: justice and accountability are not favors from the powerful. They are obligations, decades overdue. This moment began with Epstein's crimes, but it's going to be remembered for survivors demanding justice, demanding truth, demanding accountability, and we will not stop until survivor voices shape justice, transform culture, and define the future. We are no longer whispers. We are one powerful voice, too loud to ignore, and we will never be silenced again.”



According to Speaker Johnson, Trump was an FBI informant with Epstein as the target. So now I'm left wondering how one can inform on that which they did not participate in, or at the very least observe, and how one becomes an informant to a hoax that doesn't exist.

If he is such a hero, bringing down pedophiles and sex traffickers, why would he not want such good deeds exposed?

I actually wouldn't put it past him to be an informant, but often those are little guys who aren't necessarily clean, but can get charges waived or reduced in exchange for their help in getting the big fish at the top.

Interesting times we live in.
 
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Which means what follows is nothing more than one opinion.

The facts remain unchanged.

Number one. Maxwell claims he was nothing but a gentleman.

Number two flight log show he was never at the island

Number three the victims state he wasn’t involved in the sexual abuse
 
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If he is such a hero, bringing down pedophiles and sex traffickers, why would he not want such good deeds exposed?
We all know how ‘umble Donald J Trump tends to be.
 
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Which means what follows is nothing more than one opinion.

The facts remain unchanged.

Number one. Maxwell claims he was nothing but a gentleman.
Claim worth zero for obvious reasons.

Number two flight log show he was never at the island
There could be planes other than Epstein's.

Number three the victims state he wasn’t involved in the sexual abuse
Now that would be worth something. How do we know this?
 
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So the court of public opinion has already found Trump guilty, but they just have not found the evidence yet.
Well, he's been found guilty of a lot of crimes, and admitted to others.
 
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Which means what follows is nothing more than one opinion.

The facts remain unchanged.

Number one. Maxwell claims he was nothing but a gentleman.

Number two flight log show he was never at the island

Number three the victims state he wasn’t involved in the sexual abuse
You ignore what we know.

As to Maxwell:

“Ghislaine Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker and known liar. Her interview with Trump’s DOJ lawyer shows she’s desperate for a pardon,” House Oversight Committee ranking member Rep. Robert Garcia said in a post on X. “She claims no involvement in wrongdoing, which is insulting to the girls and young women she victimized and trafficked. She cannot be trusted.”​
Wow....a convicted felon (sex trafficking) says a convicted felon (and found liable for sexual assault) was a gentleman and was rewarded with a move to "Club Fed." Yeah, her word is believable - NOT.



One of them was Jill Harth, who accused Trump in a 1997 lawsuit of forcibly kissing her and fondling her at a Mar-a-Lago event for young women where Epstein was also in attendance, the New York Times reported. Trump denied the allegations and the lawsuit was dropped.​
Another woman, model Stacey Williams, accused Trump of groping her after she was brought to Trump Tower in Manhattan by Epstein to greet Trump. The president has also denied her allegations.​

Harth faced death threats. One girl vs the power of rich men.... so she dropped it.

Besides what I already wrote, Wikipedia has a long article, of women slightly older:

It is a long list.

Like this one:

This one stands out:
Rachel Crooks​
Age: 22, Location: Outside the elevator in Trump Tower​
“[Trump] kissed me directly on the mouth.”​
Crooks, then a receptionist at real estate firm Bayrock Group, whose offices are in Trump Tower, said she introduced herself to Trump outside the building’s elevator one morning. Trump began kissing her cheeks, and then “kissed me directly on the mouth”, she said.​
“It was so inappropriate … I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that,” said Crooks.​
Source: New York Times


Fits Trumps claim in the Access Hollywood tape (not Entertainment Tonight):
“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women — I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," he said in the 2005 conversation.​
 
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You ignore what we know.

As to Maxwell:

“Ghislaine Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker and known liar. Her interview with Trump’s DOJ lawyer shows she’s desperate for a pardon,” House Oversight Committee ranking member Rep. Robert Garcia said in a post on X. “She claims no involvement in wrongdoing, which is insulting to the girls and young women she victimized and trafficked. She cannot be trusted.”​
Wow....a convicted felon (sex trafficking) says a convicted felon (and found liable for sexual assault) was a gentleman and was rewarded with a move to "Club Fed." Yeah, her word is believable - NOT.



One of them was Jill Harth, who accused Trump in a 1997 lawsuit of forcibly kissing her and fondling her at a Mar-a-Lago event for young women where Epstein was also in attendance, the New York Times reported. Trump denied the allegations and the lawsuit was dropped.​
Another woman, model Stacey Williams, accused Trump of groping her after she was brought to Trump Tower in Manhattan by Epstein to greet Trump. The president has also denied her allegations.​

Harth faced death threats. One girl vs the power of rich men.... so she dropped it.

Besides what I already wrote, Wikipedia has a long article, of women slightly older:

It is a long list.

Like this one:

This one stands out:
Rachel Crooks​
Age: 22, Location: Outside the elevator in Trump Tower​

Crooks, then a receptionist at real estate firm Bayrock Group, whose offices are in Trump Tower, said she introduced herself to Trump outside the building’s elevator one morning. Trump began kissing her cheeks, and then “kissed me directly on the mouth”, she said.​
“It was so inappropriate … I was so upset that he thought I was so insignificant that he could do that,” said Crooks.​
Source: New York Times


Fits Trumps claim in the Access Hollywood tape (not Entertainment Tonight):
“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful women — I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything," he said in the 2005 conversation.​
“When you‘re a ‘star’” LLOL!
 
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Now that would be worth something. How do we know this?
By their own voices stating so in the link I already posted.
Besides what I already wrote, Wikipedia has a long article, of women slightly older:
Allegations - gotcha-

What are the Facts? Three key people with first hand knowledge and flight logs

1. Trumps own Denial
2. Flight logs showing he was never at the PRIVATE Island (not like there is an airport there.
3. Maxwell's own dire4ct testimony
4. The victims own words.

***Note*** if we are not going to tick to facts then all the allegations on Jan 6 need to be withdrawn.
 
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It could very well be so…lets us all find out!?
I’m game.
Me 2. Release the files and to hell with everyone involved
 
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