Worried about being a Christian in England

[ChubbyCherub]

Anyone else live here who feels this way?

 

[DragonFox91]

Why do you say that, Cherub?

Also remember this: the church does best when it's hurting

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Why do you say that, Cherub?

Also remember this: the church does best when it's hurting

Hi there,

It's not so much the physical act of going to church but there is almost a visceral reaction of hostility if you mention Christ or Christianity outside of church to most as well as being terrified of any missteps online.

I suppose that could be intentional and is making its way to the US, by some accounts, and it is all just a bit overwhelming.

 

[Matt5]

If I lived in England, I would be looking to get out. Easier said than done, I know.

I think most worry is independent of being a Christian. The government has been captured by powerful special interests and no longer represents the people. Of course, that phenomena is happening across all democracies to varying degrees. There is no way to fix this problem short of a big war with millions dead. So England is going where it is going.

What about being a Christian? I think most Christians will be forced to shut up about it outside of Christian groups. Or they will be arrested and/or attacked (physically.)

So generally, I think you are in trouble.

 

[Larniavc]

Anyone else live here who feels this way?

I live in a relatively religious part of the UK. I’m not religious myself but several of the people round here are.

What should they be worried about?

 

[Larniavc]

Hi there,

It's not so much the physical act of going to church but there is almost a visceral reaction of hostility if you mention Christ or Christianity outside of church to most as well as being terrified of any missteps online.

I suppose that could be intentional and is making its way to the US, by some accounts, and it is all just a bit overwhelming.

It’s always been that way. My nan and mum in law were very Christian and they never brought up God apart from saying God bless when saying good night.

In the UK religion and politics have always been a Neddy no no in general conversation. Similar to talking about how much you earn.

 

[Larniavc]

The government has been captured by powerful special interests and no longer represents the people.

What might that be?

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Anyone else live here who feels this way?

Im not worried about being a christian in the UK. In fact, i see the tide turning away from secularism and signs of people being more open to having a faith. I am upset about a few things, but not the christian bit ...

1) Housing
Seems for decades people have been allowed to buy up homes, carve them into smaller bits and rerent them out to the younger generation at a profit. This is in my opinion pretty disgraceful - we somehow have all these regulations nitpicking about everything under the sun, and yet it's slipped through that a few people have been allowed to acquire lots of family dwellings, cut them into smaller bits and exploit their children's generation by renting them back out.
The new houses being built (if they are built at all) are fit for one thing only - to be torn down. They are ugly, poorly thought out, uncomfortable and pretty rubbish to live in. They're going to have to be torn down by someone who has some sense, some future generation and something else rebuilt in their place - but done properly.
2) Economy
The economy sucks. I am expecting to live poor. My brother and his family lived in basic poverty. You want to see what passes as "acceptable" for landlords to make a profit on. Its an opinion - im not an economist, but my thoughts are that for the economy to grow, people need to be making stuff that humanity needs for a better life (AI, Clean energy, going space, automation). What i think the UK is wasting money on is over legislating everything. I feel surrounded by armies of box tickers and fault finders. Ive always admired the idea that true brilliance is in discovering solutions and that it's not the critic who deserves the credit.
3) Other nations and war
I really really dont want my son to goto war.
4) The previous generations
I think - there is something of a gap starting with the boomers and ending around 1990's - probably people born mid 80's. That group of people born in the UK just seem a little spoilt to me. They seem entitled, rude, lacking wisdom and without any spiritual values at all. Generally speaking, you're supposed to respect your elders and look to them for wisdom. And i tried - but i just dont see it. it looks to me, from what they say, that they had it pretty nice and easy - they speak as though they've had it harder than anyone - and as though their life was so difficult - but i'm listening to them explain their life and the things they say are really hard just sound like nothing to me. i dont see what they're fussing about. i think they were in a bubble. materially and otherwise - slightly overindulged.
spiritually - i think they were and are in poverty.

I'll stop there ... i cant go on moaning and criticising ...

1) I would like to try to think a little more about how my actions and spending affect others around me. If i ever get money to invest - i would like to invest in a way that cares for generations i will never see.
(one more moan - i'm sick to death of hearing the previous generation make idiotic statements like "i dont care, im not going to be here", "i'll be dead, so i dont care", "you've got to look after no. 1, look after yourself, thats all you can do" - these statements seem cowardly and idiotic to me - and it's what i have heard countless times from my elders - i'm just ignoring them from now on).
I want to turn that around - i want to raise my son to care about generations he will never see who come after him. Id like my son to think and care about himself and think of the wellbeing of all others on the planet as well.
2) It's important to do work that is worthwhile. I'll introduce my son to the idea of a calling. what is he called to do.
3) Prayer - I think the strongest and most reliable way to peace and prosperity is to pray. That is better than voting, political participation, forming half baked opinions about whatever the media feeds us. Talk to god, seek his will and try to do it.
4) I dont really think much of the previous generations. I suppose i should be humble and listen without judgement when they speak - and stay focussed on my own job - which is to raise my son well. I'll try to reverse some of the value system.

 

[ChubbyCherub]

If I lived in England, I would be looking to get out. Easier said than done, I know.

I think most worry is independent of being a Christian. The government has been captured by powerful special interests and no longer represents the people. Of course, that phenomena is happening across all democracies to varying degrees. There is no way to fix this problem short of a big war with millions dead. So England is going where it is going.

What about being a Christian? I think most Christians will be forced to shut up about it outside of Christian groups. Or they will be arrested and/or attacked (physically.)

So generally, I think you are in trouble.

Do you think the UK is different to Switzerland regarding the attitude towards Christians? Have you been to the UK? Do you know anyone here?

 

[ChubbyCherub]

Im not worried about being a christian in the UK. In fact, i see the tide turning away from secularism and signs of people being more open to having a faith. I am upset about a few things, but not the christian bit ...

1) Housing
Seems for decades people have been allowed to buy up homes, carve them into smaller bits and rerent them out to the younger generation at a profit. This is in my opinion pretty disgraceful - we somehow have all these regulations nitpicking about everything under the sun, and yet it's slipped through that a few people have been allowed to acquire lots of family dwellings, cut them into smaller bits and exploit their children's generation by renting them back out.
The new houses being built (if they are built at all) are fit for one thing only - to be torn down. They are ugly, poorly thought out, uncomfortable and pretty rubbish to live in. They're going to have to be torn down by someone who has some sense, some future generation and something else rebuilt in their place - but done properly.
2) Economy
The economy sucks. I am expecting to live poor. My brother and his family lived in basic poverty. You want to see what passes as "acceptable" for landlords to make a profit on. Its an opinion - im not an economist, but my thoughts are that for the economy to grow, people need to be making stuff that humanity needs for a better life (AI, Clean energy, going space, automation). What i think the UK is wasting money on is over legislating everything. I feel surrounded by armies of box tickers and fault finders. Ive always admired the idea that true brilliance is in discovering solutions and that it's not the critic who deserves the credit.
3) Other nations and war
I really really dont want my son to goto war.
4) The previous generations
I think - there is something of a gap starting with the boomers and ending around 1990's - probably people born mid 80's. That group of people born in the UK just seem a little spoilt to me. They seem entitled, rude, lacking wisdom and without any spiritual values at all. Generally speaking, you're supposed to respect your elders and look to them for wisdom. And i tried - but i just dont see it. it looks to me, from what they say, that they had it pretty nice and easy - they speak as though they've had it harder than anyone - and as though their life was so difficult - but i'm listening to them explain their life and the things they say are really hard just sound like nothing to me. i dont see what they're fussing about. i think they were in a bubble. materially and otherwise - slightly overindulged.
spiritually - i think they were and are in poverty.

I'll stop there ... i cant go on moaning and criticising ...

1) I would like to try to think a little more about how my actions and spending affect others around me. If i ever get money to invest - i would like to invest in a way that cares for generations i will never see.
(one more moan - i'm sick to death of hearing the previous generation make idiotic statements like "i dont care, im not going to be here", "i'll be dead, so i dont care", "you've got to look after no. 1, look after yourself, thats all you can do" - these statements seem cowardly and idiotic to me - and it's what i have heard countless times from my elders - i'm just ignoring them from now on).
I want to turn that around - i want to raise my son to care about generations he will never see who come after him. Id like my son to think and care about himself and think of the wellbeing of all others on the planet as well.
2) It's important to do work that is worthwhile. I'll introduce my son to the idea of a calling. what is he called to do.
3) Prayer - I think the strongest and most reliable way to peace and prosperity is to pray. That is better than voting, political participation, forming half baked opinions about whatever the media feeds us. Talk to god, seek his will and try to do it.
4) I dont really think much of the previous generations. I suppose i should be humble and listen without judgement when they speak - and stay focussed on my own job - which is to raise my son well. I'll try to reverse some of the value system.

Hi there,

I hope God can alleviate some of your worry or help you endure through whatever trying times come your way with the points you have raised.

I don't think too much about politics, housing, economics etc. As far as I know, there are challenges all over the world regarding these things and nowhere is really thriving.

I pray that UK turns to back God.

 

[bèlla]

What about being a Christian? I think most Christians will be forced to shut up about it outside of Christian groups. Or they will be arrested and/or attacked (physically.)

I agree with your consensus on the state of things and second the necessity of navigating uncertainty with wisdom. Discretion will be the linchpin as will self-control. Many have grown accustomed to expressing themselves with little filters to their detriment. By the time they realize silence was best they’ll be grappling with the consequences.

Nevertheless, there are some who remain under the radar intentionally. They’re moving strategically and aren’t making waves for sport or to be heard. Most of the things we say and do are recorded and many forget that. I’m not waiting for the anvil to drop but it’s a foregone conclusion if you’re astute. The pandemic provided an opportunity to test one’s mettle and observe how others handle adversity. If the time was used with that in mind you’re well fixed for further upsets and can head off a few.

Getting out should have been the goal and making preparations sooner than later is ideal.

~bella

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Hi there,

I hope God can alleviate some of your worry or help you endure through whatever trying times come your way with the points you have raised.

I don't think too much about politics, housing, economics etc. As far as I know, there are challenges all over the world regarding these things and nowhere is really thriving.

I pray that UK turns to back God.

I think it will.

I think people have become more open to christianity again.

I think prayer is our superpower to solving this stuff. I really believe that.

 

[pc_76]

I would be interested about ideas of people becoming open to Christianity again.

It's true that everywhere there is a trend of hostility to Christianity, especially in the West. Sadly, the book specifically says this is inevitable and seems to be predestined.

But prayers to the UK and everywhere else.