Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

[dogs4thewin]

I mean... I was pretty clear. When one of their own kids doesn't come home, they'll rethink gun violence. As long as it's somebody else's kids, they'll deem those kids acceptable losses on the altar of gun rights.


Which would be why I said "the president being shot wasn't enough." I was pretty clear.


The number of people I hear say "ban all guns" are relatively small. Most I hear are specific limitations on types of guns, ammo, and modifications that can be made to them, as well as making it it harder to get them and the overall number one owns to be restricted.

Yet, by in large the ones the average person is looking to ban kill the fewest people overall the handguns ( which require the highest minimum age to purchase account for the most deaths, yet pepple do not generally talk about banning five to seven round handguns.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Actually, my sister teaches in the district of the mass shooting in GA last year granted it was not her or her school but that was still close to home and you know what I still do not blame the guns. The boy yes, his father for not seeking the help he clearly needed yes but not the gun or the school and actually BOTH are facing charges.

A school close to your sister is three degrees of separation from you, not close to home. And it wasn't enough to have your first comment on dead kids to be about the dead kids, but about how you still want your guns.

Something tells me if it was your kid, your first impulse wouldn't be to defend your right to own a gun.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Why would we do that? We're ok with the status quo.

because if I am a criminal and I know that there is a very good chance that I am not the only one with a gun in a place I may be less likely to act.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ah yes, the "we're drowning so what we need is more water" argument is my favorite.

Let's turn schools into the wild west, where overworked, underpaid teachers are supposed to have military and police-level public safety training.

It takes a really unique level of cognitive dissonance to see yet another thread about children being murdered in schools, then rushing onto that thread to reaffirm how important it is for you to keep your guns. You're yelling about keeping your guns literally over the warm bodies of dead children. You didn't even start off with a "how awful" or the bland "thoughts and prayers," but a rush to defend owning a gun and maintaining their accessibility.

And I'm taking mental notes of all the people who'd better not bleat on about being "pro-life" and "saving children" ever again.

Perhaps if discussions about things didn't always devolve into "We gotta do something about all these guns!", then maybe you wouldn't hear replies about how gun bans aren't the answer, and never have been.

As for your basically "More guns aren't the answer", response to my suggestion of arming teachers, then why on earth do the police get called to these shootings to stop the shooter if more guns aren't the answer. Are the police showing up unarmed? Or do they bring guns (AR15s no less!) to the scene and use them to stop the shooter?

 

[dogs4thewin]

A school close to your sister is three degrees of separation from you, not close to home. And it wasn't enough to have your first comment on dead kids to be about the dead kids, but about how you still want your guns.

Something tells me if it was your kid, your first impulse wouldn't be to defend your right to own a gun.

so you are saying that because something affects me would sedely mean that things change?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Yet, by in large the ones the average person is looking to ban kill the fewest people overall the handguns ( which require the highest minimum age to purchase account for the most deaths, yet pepple do not generally talk about banning five to seven round handguns.

You and the other guy need to get together and figure out what the branding is you're carrying during this, because he insists that it's "all guns" that people want banned whereas you say people don't talk about banning handguns.

Maybe do a group huddle to find out the messaging you're supposed repeating to refute the people saying "too many kids are dying and it's awful" in order continue to justify gun culture.

 

[durangodawood]

because if I am a criminal and I know that there is a very good chance that I am not the only one with a gun in a place I may be less likely to act.

For sure. The non suicidal ones might think twice about going into an armed camp. But is that what we want for school? Plus Im more than a little skeptical about having a bunch of accessible guns in the school setting, having been a school kid myself at one point.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why would we do that? We're ok with the status quo.

Who is "we"? Most here are complaining that it's so awful and that "We gotta do something!".

 

[durangodawood]

Who is "we"? Most here are complaining that it's so awful and that "We gotta do something!".

The adjusted political average of the country.

 

[dogs4thewin]

You and the other guy need to get together and figure out what the branding is you're carrying during this, because he insists that it's "all guns" that people want banned whereas you say people don't talk about banning handguns.

Maybe do a group huddle to find out the messaging you're supposed repeating to refute the people saying "too many kids are dying and it's awful" in order continue to justify gun culture.

You said that very few people you knew oe had heard of wanted to ban all guns. I was pointing out that in general the ones they do want to ban the high mags and/or assault weapons account for the fewest gun deaths. If you want to save as many lives as possibile why would you want to ban the guns that account for the fewest number of deaths?

 

[Desk trauma]

You said that very few people you knew oe had heard of wanted to ban all guns. I was pointing out that in general the ones they do want to ban the high mags and/or assault weapons account for the fewest gun deaths. If you want to save as many lives as possibile why would you want to ban the guns that account for the fewest number of deaths?

Yeah, why would people be talking about the guns commonly used in mass shootings in a thread about mass shootings? Odd that.

 

[Aldebaran]

For sure. The non suicidal ones might think twice about going into an armed camp. But is that what we want for school? Plus Im more than a little skeptical about having a bunch of accessible guns in the school setting, having been a school kid myself at one point.

If it's that or remaining undefended (until the police show up) while a gunman shoots the kids, which way would you prefer?

 

[dogs4thewin]

For sure. The non suicidal ones might think twice about going into an armed camp. But is that what we want for school? Plus Im more than a little skeptical about having a bunch of accessible guns in the school setting, having been a school kid myself at one point.

that may be a good option if it were voluntary.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Yeah, why would people be talking about the guns commonly used in mass shootings in a thread about mass shootings? Odd that.

no do we want to save the most lives or feel like we are saving the most lives there is a difference.

 

[durangodawood]

If it's that or remaining undefended (until the police show up) while a gunman shoots the kids, which way would you prefer?

I think on average your cure would be worse than the disease in terms of deaths by firearm at schools.

 

[Desk trauma]

that may be a good option if it were voluntary.

The only solution is to arm the children.

 

[JosephZ]

Remember, the shooter had a rifle, shotgun, and pistol. So which one being banned would have prevented this? Those who want to ban guns want them ALL banned because any of them could be used.

If you watch the video the shooter posted and listen to the testimony of witnesses, it's clear that a ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines would have lessened the severity of today's shooting.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, why would people be talking about the guns commonly used in mass shootings in a thread about mass shootings? Odd that.

As if mass shootings stop happening if the AR15 wasn't there.
I already pointed out that this shooter also had a shotgun and handgun. Mass shootings have happened solely with those as well, and the outcry against guns as the problem happen just as loudly then. So the focus on one type of gun in response to a shooting is only a distraction.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The only solution is to arm the children.

not the children trained teachers is what we are talking about.

 

[dogs4thewin]

If you watch the video the shooter posted and listen to the testimony of witnesses, it's clear that a ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines would have lessened the severity of today's shooting.

of today's shooting being a key phases there. Again, would you rather save more lives or feel you are?