Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

[Tropical Wilds]

Again, I said very few shootings are truly random I should have defined that better. For me, I meant a shooting in which there were no real targets nor was it committed during the commission of another crime such as someone being shot during a robbery or one or two particular people being shot (say I do not like X or Y person so I target them as opposed to just however many I can

No, you said "However, this particular shooting at least from the very baseline information we know appears as though it could be really random." That is the exact opposite of saying "few shootings are really random."

 

[dogs4thewin]

Guns are the leading cause of death for children under the age of 18... We are the only non-wartime country to have ever had that claim to fame.

Just how many more shootings does it take before it's a problem?

a gun does nothing by itself. I could have a loaded gun sitting next to me on this desk and all it would do is lie there until some other force took some action. There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of gun owners in this country and yet most of them do not engage in shootings and the guns do not shoot themselves never have and never will.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

a gun does nothing by itself. I could have a loaded gun sitting next to me on this desk and all it would do is lie there until some other force took some action. There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of gun owners in this country and yet most of them do not engage in shootings and the guns do not shoot themselves never have and never will.

Super. What does that have to do with anything? Because it's not sentient, it can't be regulated?

 

[Desk trauma]

a gun does nothing by itself. I could have a loaded gun sitting next to me on this desk and all it would do is lie there until some other force took some action. There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of gun owners in this country and yet most of them do not engage in shootings and the guns do not shoot themselves never have and never will.

C4 will sit inert and harmless on my desk, even were my house to burn down, yet the tyrannical government keeps it from me!

 

[dogs4thewin]

No, you said "However, this particular shooting at least from the very baseline information we know appears as though it could be really random." That is the exact opposite of saying "few shootings are really random."

If I take the number of shootings that happen on any given day or in any given month or year very few of them are honestly random in fact at LEAST half are by someone's own hand and that is it. When I say few I am comparing that to the TOTAL number of shootings in a given time whether we are meaning a day a week a year.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

If I take the number of shootings that happen on any given day or in any given month or year very few of them are honestly random in fact at LEAST half are by someone's own hand and that is it. When I say few I am comparing that to the TOTAL number of shootings in a given time whether we are meaning a day a week a year.

So you spoke nonsense. Got it.

 

[expos4ever]

The "we need to address mental health and not guns" argument is silly. Imagine if everyone had the right to have a lion. And imagine that every now and again, someone with mental health issues let their lion out and it killed a bunch of people. What is the solution? Simply making the owning of lions illegal? Or trying to solve the incredibly complex, and therefore very expensive, problem of fixing mental health?

The answer is obvious. As it is in this case. The rest of the free world gets by perfectly fine without guns. You Americans can as well.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Super. What does that have to do with anything? Because it's not sentient, it can't be regulated?

What that have to do with anything is that a gun in and of itself does NOTHING. I could own twenty guns and nothing would happen if no action were taken upon the gun. On the other hand, I could own a single knife or metal pipe and kill folks that way too heck I could throw a rock off an overpass and kill someone. I could plant a bomb to go off during the home football game Saturday and kill literally 1000s of people . I could set fire to a building KNOWING 10s or 100s of people were in that building and could likely die. I could take a car a ram it into time square on New Years's Eve and kill a good many people that way. See how that works a gun is an object that does nothing but a gun or any number of other objects could be fatal if in the wrong hands. A gun is not even the only thing that could kill a number of people at one time. Guns ARE regulated, in fact some of the most regularated guns are the ones that kill the most people.

Not that I would do any of the above but I used I with the guns so to be conistant I used I with the other examples

 

[Desk trauma]

The "we need to address mental health and not guns" argument is silly.

With bonus silliness of we’re not going to address that either!

 

[dogs4thewin]

The "we need to address mental health and not guns" argument is silly. Imagine if everyone had the right to have a lion. And imagine that every now and again, someone with mental health issues let their lion out and it killed a bunch of people. What is the solution? Simply making the owning of lions illegal? Or trying to solve the incredibly complex, and therefore very expensive, problem of fixing mental health?

The answer is obvious. As it is in this case. The rest of the free world gets by perfectly fine without guns. You Americans can as well.

There are millions of people here that do not tust the government and there are frankly at this point too many guns to get them off the street, in any case.

 

[Desk trauma]

What that have to do with anything is that a gun in and of itself does NOTHING. I could own twenty guns and nothing would happen if no action were taken upon the gun. On the other hand, I could own a single knife or metal pipe and kill folks that way too heck I could throw a rock off an overpass and kill someone. I could plant a bomb to go off during the home football game Saturday and kill literally 1000s of people . I could set fire to a building KNOWING 10s or 100s of people were in that building and could likely die. I could take a car a ram it into time square on New Years's Eve and kill a good many people that way. See how that works a gun is an object that does nothing but a gun or any number of other objects could be fatal if in the wrong hands. A gun is not even the only thing that could kill a number of people at one time. Guns ARE regulated, in fact some of the most regularated guns are the ones that kill the most people.

Yes, all means of killing people are equally effective as and have the same level of skill required as fire arms. Mass homicide is done with firearms just to vilify gun ownership.

 

[dogs4thewin]

The "we need to address mental health and not guns" argument is silly. Imagine if everyone had the right to have a lion. And imagine that every now and again, someone with mental health issues let their lion out and it killed a bunch of people. What is the solution? Simply making the owning of lions illegal? Or trying to solve the incredibly complex, and therefore very expensive, problem of fixing mental health?

The answer is obvious. As it is in this case. The rest of the free world gets by perfectly fine without guns. You Americans can as well.

There are millions of people here that do not tust the government and there are frankly at this point too many guns to get them off the street, in any case.

 

[Desk trauma]

There are millions of people here that do not tust the government and there are frankly at this point too many guns to get them off the street, in any case.

Yep, normal, worth it.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

What that have to do with anything is that a gun in and of itself does NOTHING. I could own twenty guns and nothing would happen if no action were taken upon the gun. On the other hand, I could own a single knife or metal pipe and kill folks that way too heck I could throw a rock off an overpass and kill someone. I could plant a bomb to go off during the home football game Saturday and kill literally 1000s of people . I could set fire to a building KNOWING 10s or 100s of people were in that building and could likely die. I could take a car a ram it into time square on New Years's Eve and kill a good many people that way. See how that works a gun is an object that does nothing but a gun or any number of other objects could be fatal if in the wrong hands. A gun is not even the only thing that could kill a number of people at one time. Guns ARE regulated, in fact some of the most regularated guns are the ones that kill the most people.

Drugs don't do anything to people unless they use it. I guess that means we shouldn't be regulating drugs.
Alcohol doesn't do anything to people on its own, just if it's abused. I guess that means we shouldn't limit access to alcohol.
Cars don't hurt anybody, it's the people who drive them that do. So by all means, let's drop requirements for driving a car.
Owning a nuclear weapon does nothing unless somebody uses it. I guess that all means we should get nuclear bombs.

Objects don't hurt people, people with objects do. So apparently that means we have no business regulating an object so all things should be legal and freely available to all people at all times.

 

[expos4ever]

a gun does nothing by itself. I could have a loaded gun sitting next to me on this desk and all it would do is lie there until some other force took some action. There are MILLIONS and MILLIONS of gun owners in this country and yet most of them do not engage in shootings and the guns do not shoot themselves never have and never will.

This is a terrible argument but it is used by the gun people all the time.

We all know that a gun cannot act on its own. But surely it is beyond obvious that it is an incredibly efficient tool to commit violence. Take away the guns and the ability to kill large numbers of people in a short period of time is greatly reduced.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

There are millions of people here that do not tust the government and there are frankly at this point too many guns to get them off the street, in any case.

So the dead kids are the Mayan-like sacrifice we make at the altar of the gun gods. Acceptable losses in exchange for being able to own a vanity item.

Notice none of you offer up your kids on the altar of the gun gods for the sake of freedom... Somebody else's kids? That's fine. But were the government to say we need to kill your elementary-aged kids for the sake of freedom, I suspect you'd be a little more hesitant.

And I'm not sure "I need guns in case I want to resist or overthrow the government" is the sane reason for gun ownership you think it is. Frankly, I think that's a red flag for why you don't need a gun, not a call to why you do.

 

[7thKeeper]

With bonus silliness of we’re not going to address that either!

Well that takes money, effort and time. Can't fit that in a single politicians term or a few second quip.

 

[dogs4thewin]

So you spoke nonsense. Got it.

What is nonesense about stating that most shootings are not true mass shootings with little clear motive.

 

[dogs4thewin]

This is a terrible argument but it is used by the gun people all the time.

We all know that a gun cannot act on its own. But surely it is beyond obvious that it is an incredibly efficient tool to commit violence. Take away the guns and the ability to kill large numbers of people in a short period of time is greatly reduced.

This is why I mentioned other ways in which it can be done to kill even more people than guns usually do at any one time.

 

[durangodawood]

.....Just how many more shootings does it take before it's a problem?

We are still well within tolerable limits.