I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

[BelieveItOarKnot]

this in itself gives reason for the serpent as a necessary part of the process ...

I agree!

 

[honey badger]

I agree!

we still need to agree who he is or rather what it is ... or as Aseyesee says 'you can not flee what you can not see'

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

we still need to agree who he is or rather what it is ... or as Aseyesee says 'you can not flee what you can not see'

It's quite obviously describef as

-the spirit of disobedience

That is put upon mankind but *is not* the people

-The spirit of whoredom is within

No getting around it. No changing it. No making it the same as God's children

Lines are drawn

 

[honey badger]

It's quite obviously describef as

-the spirit of disobedience

That is put upon mankind but *is not* the people

-The spirit of whoredom is within

No getting around it. No changing it. No making it the same as God's children

Lines are drawn

i cant get around what your trying to say ... you say its put upon and then you say it is within ... so to clarify should all Gods children be obedient will this Satan of yours still exist ?

 

[Aseyesee]

Was it only Him?

Its the process of the soul, the only way to enter, is not to choose ... you must come out of her to find her ... more children are the desolate ... this is my beloved son, and thou shalt not eat are the same truth in relationship to the soul as is, and one of you is a devil ...

 

[Aseyesee]

this in itself gives reason for the serpent as a necessary part of the process ...

It is the one ... that was lost ...

 

[Aseyesee]

It is the one ... that was lost ...

When the word of God is cast down it becomes a rod/serpent in the garden it was cast down in ... a relative truth to all; and part of the process of the soul, that you have to sacrifice your son (the soul/women's perception of self) to keep (one/whole), which (in one form) the duality of the tree of knowledge depicts; by which the lack of you perish, or languish) ...

God counted the cost to build his house and found it to be his son, and/or so we to believe the testimony of this process in a meager way, not understanding the riches of Christ to all from the beginning (which is the end in itself) of the foundation of the world whom Christ was crucified from. The experience that awaits those who dare to enter in and remain, will find they have been there from the beginning (a fellowship of one glory, so to speak).

But the path must have a serpent in it, whom without; the house does not get built … It's the process all go through ... (and the only one that is lost is the one that never was) ...

 

[honey badger]

When the word of God is cast down it becomes a rod/serpent in the garden it was cast down in ... a relative truth to all; and part of the process of the soul, that you have to sacrifice your son (the soul/women's perception of self) to keep (one/whole), which (in one form) the duality of the tree of knowledge depicts; by which the lack of you perish, or languish) ...

God counted the cost to build his house and found it to be his son, and/or so we to believe the testimony of this process in a meager way, not understanding the riches of Christ to all from the beginning (which is the end in itself) of the foundation of the world whom Christ was crucified from. The experience that awaits those who dare to enter in and remain, will find they have been there from the beginning (a fellowship of one glory, so to speak).

But the path must have a serpent in it, whom without; the house does not get built … It's the process all go through ... (and the only one that is lost is the one that never was) ...

Great fish/great Dragon/strong delusion as in a covering that is not His ... as in a husband/identity that is not our own ....

But if our unrighteousness serves to show the righteousness of God, what shall we say? That God is unrighteous to inflict wrath on us?

 

[David Lamb]

Thou shalt not eat ...

Thanks, that is clear now. I would say that "Thou shalt not eat of the tree of knowledge" was only one of the commandments God gave to Adam, For example, He also said:

“Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”” (Ge 1:28 NKJV)

 

[sincerity2u]

Such an belief is contrary to the Truth according to God, and such an one that believes such is still in unbelief until now.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

the only way to enter, is not to choose

Or so you think when not thinking.

You're just looking for another angle to climb over the wall of heaven when there are no such formulas.

The children of God are going through and the children of the devil are going to be left behind and sent to the fire at some point.

No child of the devil that we all bear regardless of choices, is making it past the gate.

God bound ALL to disobedience. Romans 11:32

We all have evil thoughts that defile us: Mark 7:21-23. Anyone who says this is not so does so in direct conflict with the Word of God and are therefore already captured by the chief of liars in their own MIND.

Not saying they won't be saved anyway. They just don't know and think by "not choosing" their mind is inactive when the fact is the evil conscience always reacts with evil and can do no other thing.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

i cant get around what your trying to say ... you say its put upon and then you say it is within ... so to clarify should all Gods children be obedient will this Satan of yours still exist ?

Satan will exist until God Himself puts him away permanently.

In the mean time, there is mean time.

There is time, singular. That would be Satan's time. Satan knows his time, singular, is short.

Then there are the TIMES of mankind in the generations, plural.

And there is A SINGULAR generation, that of the serpent vipers who have had one very long day here from the garden onward. They also have "a nation." And a city. All these things of "them" are unseen, because they exist in the spiritual arena. The arena that the prophets saw and spoke of by similitudes. They "saw" what these "things" look like behind the curtains of empirical reality.

Time/Times/the dividing or halving

That's how it's coming down

 

[honey badger]

Satan will exist until God Himself puts him away permanently.

In the mean time, there is mean time.

There is time, singular. That would be Satan's time. Satan knows his time, singular, is short.

Then there are the TIMES of mankind in the generations, plural.

And there is A SINGULAR generation, that of the serpent vipers who have had one very long day here from the garden onward. They also have "a nation." And a city. All these things of "them" are unseen, because they exist in the spiritual arena. The arena that the prophets saw and spoke of by similitudes. They "saw" what these "things" look like behind the curtains of empirical reality.

Time/Times/the dividing or halving

That's how it's coming down

i see the time, times and half time or 1260 days as the second forty as in 1260 divide by the amount of days in a month of a biblical year of 12 months of 360 days or 42 x 30 = 1260 of which speaks to the Israelites who camped 42 times in the wilderness ( where she is/they are nourished ) before they entered into the promise ... or Ephraim at the river Jordan with the 42,000 and this in picture the revealing of our nakedness which ties into the first forty masculine and the second forty feminine all of which is pictures of the process of our soul by way of this duality within us which time is as well seeing time is a measurement and a measurement needs two points of reference ... a beginning and an end ... Jesus never entered into the second forty ( feminine ) whist he walked the earth which is to say his nakedness was not revealed to him because he did not make a way for the devil to enter into his garden\mind and therefor was not separated\divided from the Truth he was ect ect ect

 

[Aseyesee]

Or so you think when not thinking.

You're just looking for another angle to climb over the wall of heaven when there are no such formulas.

The children of God are going through and the children of the devil are going to be left behind and sent to the fire at some point.

No child of the devil that we all bear regardless of choices, is making it past the gate.

God bound ALL to disobedience. Romans 11:32

We all have evil thoughts that defile us: Mark 7:21-23. Anyone who says this is not so does so in direct conflict with the Word of God and are therefore already captured by the chief of liars in their own MIND.

Not saying they won't be saved anyway. They just don't know and think by "not choosing" their mind is inactive when the fact is the evil conscience always reacts with evil and can do no other thing.

The passage you quote about unbelief was Paul talking about the literal Israel in his present day … the all was not all of them; he being the prime example, but Abraham, the father of faith (or so one said) would do …

God doesn’t bind us no more than he would have confounded Jeremiah; it is our perception of God that binds us …

If the devil had no place in Jesus how can he be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; and in all points tempted like as we are … or why would Paul say not to give place to the devil (to those who seemed (by his writing) to be steeped in knowledge to the point where Paul felt he had to explain where he saw from, or where he was at in this journey inwards) if the devil already had a place in us (not being possible that he would not have had this place already as a semi-permanent omnipotent residence from the foundation of the world) … or why would he turn one over to Satan seeing this was already the case before Paul was born, or how do you flee what is in you ... what you cannot …

Why would John have said that those born of God do not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God …

Jesus entered through the door even though he was this door he was speaking of …which is relative to every son …

The wall you speak of as something to be climbed over incloses me, and the heaven you refer to is where I am …

 

[honey badger]

The passage you quote about unbelief was Paul talking about the literal Israel in his present day … the all was not all of them; he being the prime example, but Abraham, the father of faith (or so one said) would do …

God doesn’t bind us no more than he would have confounded Jeremiah; it is our perception of God that binds us …

If the devil had no place in Jesus how can he be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; and in all points tempted like as we are … or why would Paul say not to give place to the devil (to those who seemed (by his writing) to be steeped in knowledge to the point where Paul had to explain where he saw from, or where he was at in this journey inwards) if the devil already had a place in us (not being possible that he would not have had this place already as a semi-permanent omnipotent residence from the foundation of the world) … or why would he turn one over to Satan seeing this was already the case before Paul was born, or how do you flee what is in you ... what you cannot …

Why would John have said that those born of God do not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God …

Jesus entered through the door even though he was this door he was speaking of …which is relative to every son …

The wall you speak of as something to be climbed over incloses me, and the heaven you refer to is where I am …

a knowledge that leads to death and a knowledge that leads to life ... two keys or two witnesses that speak as one ... which can be seen in mirror symmetry which permeates the entire natural world

 

[Aseyesee]

a knowledge that leads to death and a knowledge that leads to life ... two keys or two witnesses that speak as one ... which can be seen in mirror symmetry which permeates the entire natural world

Indeed, the process of the seed is all around us; a reflection of the process of the word that we are, in us, and though the natural world appears to be measurable, who we are in him is not …

By knowledge we are scattered, like the casting of bread upon the waters (a hiding of the face (as in a mirror) and by knowledge we are gathered back again from the truth of the one glory that we were scattered (came out of) from … before the world/confusion was …

 

[Aseyesee]

The children of God are going through and the children of the devil are going to be left behind and sent to the fire at some point.

No child of the devil that we all bear regardless of choices, is making it past the gate.

What are these children of the devil to you?

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

What are these children of the devil to you?

Those who whistle past the graveyard

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

If the devil had no place in Jesus how can he be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; and in all points tempted like as we are

With a very LARGE exception: No Sin

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

whist he walked the earth which is to say his nakedness was not revealed to him because he did not make a way for the devil to enter into his garden\mind and therefor was not separated\divided from the Truth he was ect ect ect

Hence your spin on yet another form of works gospel.

Jesus worked to save himself and you can too if you play the ambivalence card and never commit to actually having a thought one way or the other.

Oh, don't eat the fruit and save yourself!

I've seen enough iterations of that angle too. Sorry. Doesn't fly