Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Apple Sky]

There are mulitple easily obtainable sources that show that they believed the sun travelled under the earth -

Links please.

 

[tharkun73]

Links please.

• Al-Jallad, Ahmad (2015). "Echoes of the Baal Cycle in a Safaito-Hismaic Inscription". Journal of Near Eastern Religions. 15: 5–19. doi:10.1163/15692124-12341267.
  
  
• Anchassi, Omar (2022). "Against Ptolemy? Cosmography in Early Kalām". Journal of the American Oriental Society. 142 (4): 851–881. doi:10.7817/jaos.142.4.2022.ar033.
  
  
• Ayali-Darshan, Noga (2015). "The Other Version of the Story of the Storm-god's Combat with the Sea in the Light of Egyptian, Ugaritic, and Hurro-Hittite Texts". Journal of Ancient Near Eastern Religions. 15 (1): 20–51. doi:10.1163/15692124-12341268.
  
  
• Ayali-Darshan, Noga (2020). The Storm-God and the Sea: The Origin, Versions, and Diffusion of a Myth throughout the Ancient Near East. Mohr Siebeck. ISBN 978-3-16-155954-9.
• Ayali-Darshan, Noga (2024). "The Polemical Cosmogony in the Doxologies of Amos (4:13; 5:8; 9:5–6)". Vetus Testamentum: 1–22. doi:10.1163/15685330-bja10164.
  
  
• Beaulieu, Paul-Alain (2021). "Berossus and the Creation Story". Journal of Ancient Near Eastern History. 8 (1–2): 147–170. doi:10.1515/janeh-2020-0012.
  
  
• Benko, Stephen (2004). The Virgin Goddess: Studies in the Pagan and Christian Roots of Mariology. Brill. ISBN 978-90-04-13639-7.
• Bilic, Tomislav (2022). "Following in the Footsteps of the Sun: Gilgameš, Odysseus and Solar Movement". Annali Sezione Orientale. 82 (1–2): 3–37. doi:10.1163/24685631-12340126.
  
  
• Boda, Mark J. (2016). The Book of Zechariah. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-1-4674-4508-5.
• Brandes, Tim (2019). ""He assigned Him as the Jewel of the night" – The Knowledge of the Moon in Mesopotamian Texts of the Late Second and First Millennia BCE". In Althoff, Jochen; Berrens, Dominik; Pommerening, Tanja (eds.). Finding, Inheriting or Borrowing? The Construction and Transfer of Knowledge in Antiquity and the Middle Ages. De Gruyter. pp. 187–212. doi:10.1515/9783839442364-008. ISBN 978-3-8394-4236-4.
  
  
• Bremmer, Jan (2019). The World of Greek Religion and Mythology: Collected Essays II. Brill. ISBN 978-3-16-154451-4.
• Chambers, Nathan J. (2021). Reconsidering Creation Ex Nihilo in Genesis 1. Penn State University Press.
• Clifford, Richard (1989). Creation Accounts in the Ancient Near East and in the Bible. Pickwick Publications. ISBN 978-1-6667-8658-3.
• De Almeida, Isabel Gomes (2021). "The Mesopotamian primordial ocean(s): Changes and continuities on the creative agency of the primeval aquatic deities (3rd and 2nd millennia BC)". In Monteiro, Maria do Rosário; Kong, Mário S. Ming (eds.). Tradition and Innovation. CRC Press. pp. 391–397. doi:10.1201/9780429297786-56. ISBN 978-0-429-29778-6.
• De Almeida, Isabel Gomes; Rosa, Maria de Fátima (2021). "The Moon Watching Over the Sun and Venus: Revisiting the Attributes and Functions of Nanna/Sîn in Mesopotamia" (PDF). In Frame, Frant; Jeffers, Joshua; Pittman, Holy (eds.). Ur in the Twenty-First Century CE: Proceedings of the 62nd Rencontre Assyriologique Internationale at Philadelphia, July 11–15, 2016. Pennsylvania State University Press. pp. 391–397.
• Debié, Muriel (2024). Alexandre le Grand en syriaque. Les Belles Lettres.
• Decharneux, Julien (2023). Creation and Contemplation The Cosmology of the Qur'ān and Its Late Antique Background. De Gruyter.
• Ellis, E. Earle (1991). ""The End of the Earth" (Acts 1:8)" (PDF). Bulletin for Biblical Research. 1: 123–132.
• George, Andrew (2016). Die Kosmogonie des alten Mesopotamien [The cosmogony of ancient Mesopotamia].
• George, Andrew (2021). "Berossus and Babylonian Cosmogony". In Kelly, Adrian; Metcalf, Christopher (eds.). Gods and Mortals in Early Greek and Near Eastern Mythology. Cambridge University Press. pp. 185–198.
• Grosu, Emanuel (2019). "The Heliocentrism of the Ancient: Between Geometry and Physics". Hermeneia. 23: 53–61.
• Habel, Norman C. (1972). ""He Who Stretches Out The Heavens"". The Catholic Biblical Quarterly. 34 (4): 417–430. JSTOR 43713353.
• Hamilton, Victor P (1990). The Book of Genesis: Chapters 1–17. New International Commentary on the Old Testament (NICOT). Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 540. ISBN 0-8028-2521-4.
• Hannam, James (2023). The Globe: How the Earth became Round. Reaktion Books.
• Heimpel, Wolfgang (1986). "The Sun at Night and the Doors of Heaven in Babylonian Texts". Journal of Cuneiform Studies. 38 (2): 127–151. doi:10.2307/1359796. JSTOR 1359796.
  
  

 

[Phil G]

Take a look & see, Russianvids is man for God.

Take a look and see what Jaraisim or what ever you call him is all about, it's ugly........

The Final Experiment & The Fake Flat Earthers Exposed!​

Nope. You don’t even know who he is. And his videos are full of falsehoods, as has been proven over and over again on these threads.

Frankly it’s astonishing that you can’t see the glaring errors in his videos.

And I have never used Jaren as a source. He is just another flat earther who has realised he was wrong.

Oh and….explain your own observation of the sun & moon being bigger at sunrise and moonrise, because that observation clearly falsifies flat earth.

If you can’t explain that and still insist the earth is flat, then how can anyone find you credible???

 

[tharkun73]

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  Further reading​

  • Assman, Jan. The Search for God in Ancient Egypt, Cornell University Press, 2001, pp. 53–82.
  • Clifford, Richard. Creation Accounts in the Ancient Near East and in the Bible, Wipf and Stock Publishers, 1994.
  • Dalley, Myths from Mesopotamia: Creation, the Flood, Gilgamesh, and Others, Oxford University Press, 1998.
  • George, A. Babylonian Topographical Texts, Peeters, 1992.
  • Hetherington, Norriss S (ed.). Encyclopedia of Cosmology, Routledge, 2014.
  • Hunger, Hermann, and John Steele, The Babylonian Astronomical Compendium MUL.APIN, Routledge, 2018.
  • Jacobsen, Thorkild. "The Cosmos as a State" in The Intellectual Adventure of Ancient Man: An Essay of Speculative Thought in the Ancient Near East, University of Chicago Press, 1977.
  • Keel, Othmar & Silvia Shroer, Creation: Biblical Theologies in the Context of the Ancient Near East, Eisenbrauns, 2015.
  • Lu, Rosanna (2024). The Transformation of Tĕhôm: From Deified Power to Demonized Abyss. Brill.
  • Sjöberg, Å. "In the beginning" in Riches Hidden in Secret Places: Ancient Near Eastern Studies in Memory of Thorkild Jacobsen, Eisenbrauns, 2002, pp. 229–247.
  • Wiggermann, F. "Mythological foundations of nature" in Natural Phenomena: Their Meaning, Depiction and Description in the Ancient Near East, 1992.
  • Zago, Silvia. A Journey through the Beyond: The Development of the Concept of Duat and Related, Lockwood Press, 2022.

 

[prodromos]

Take a look & see, Russianvids is man for God.

If he is a man for God, why does he lie so much?

 

[Apple Sky]

If he is a man for God, why does he lie so much?

Tell me where is he lying ?

 

[Apple Sky]

• Al-Jallad, Ahmad (2015). "Echoes of the Baal Cycle in a Safaito-Hismaic Inscription". Journal of Near Eastern Religions. 15: 5–19. doi:10.1163/15692124-12341267.
  
  
• Anchassi, Omar (2022). "Against Ptolemy? Cosmography in Early Kalām". Journal of the American Oriental Society. 142 (4): 851–881. doi:10.7817/jaos.142.4.2022.ar033.
  
  
• Ayali-Darshan, Noga (2015). "The Other Version of the Story of the Storm-god's Combat with the Sea in the Light of Egyptian, Ugaritic, and Hurro-Hittite Texts". Journal of Ancient Near Eastern Religions. 15 (1): 20–51. doi:10.1163/15692124-12341268.
  
  
• Ayali-Darshan, Noga (2020). The Storm-God and the Sea: The Origin, Versions, and Diffusion of a Myth throughout the Ancient Near East. Mohr Siebeck. ISBN 978-3-16-155954-9.
• Ayali-Darshan, Noga (2024). "The Polemical Cosmogony in the Doxologies of Amos (4:13; 5:8; 9:5–6)". Vetus Testamentum: 1–22. doi:10.1163/15685330-bja10164.
  
  
• Beaulieu, Paul-Alain (2021). "Berossus and the Creation Story". Journal of Ancient Near Eastern History. 8 (1–2): 147–170. doi:10.1515/janeh-2020-0012.
  
  
• Benko, Stephen (2004). The Virgin Goddess: Studies in the Pagan and Christian Roots of Mariology. Brill. ISBN 978-90-04-13639-7.
• Bilic, Tomislav (2022). "Following in the Footsteps of the Sun: Gilgameš, Odysseus and Solar Movement". Annali Sezione Orientale. 82 (1–2): 3–37. doi:10.1163/24685631-12340126.
  
  
• Boda, Mark J. (2016). The Book of Zechariah. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-1-4674-4508-5.
• Brandes, Tim (2019). ""He assigned Him as the Jewel of the night" – The Knowledge of the Moon in Mesopotamian Texts of the Late Second and First Millennia BCE". In Althoff, Jochen; Berrens, Dominik; Pommerening, Tanja (eds.). Finding, Inheriting or Borrowing? The Construction and Transfer of Knowledge in Antiquity and the Middle Ages. De Gruyter. pp. 187–212. doi:10.1515/9783839442364-008. ISBN 978-3-8394-4236-4.
  
  
• Bremmer, Jan (2019). The World of Greek Religion and Mythology: Collected Essays II. Brill. ISBN 978-3-16-154451-4.
• Chambers, Nathan J. (2021). Reconsidering Creation Ex Nihilo in Genesis 1. Penn State University Press.
• Clifford, Richard (1989). Creation Accounts in the Ancient Near East and in the Bible. Pickwick Publications. ISBN 978-1-6667-8658-3.
• De Almeida, Isabel Gomes (2021). "The Mesopotamian primordial ocean(s): Changes and continuities on the creative agency of the primeval aquatic deities (3rd and 2nd millennia BC)". In Monteiro, Maria do Rosário; Kong, Mário S. Ming (eds.). Tradition and Innovation. CRC Press. pp. 391–397. doi:10.1201/9780429297786-56. ISBN 978-0-429-29778-6.
• De Almeida, Isabel Gomes; Rosa, Maria de Fátima (2021). "The Moon Watching Over the Sun and Venus: Revisiting the Attributes and Functions of Nanna/Sîn in Mesopotamia" (PDF). In Frame, Frant; Jeffers, Joshua; Pittman, Holy (eds.). Ur in the Twenty-First Century CE: Proceedings of the 62nd Rencontre Assyriologique Internationale at Philadelphia, July 11–15, 2016. Pennsylvania State University Press. pp. 391–397.
• Debié, Muriel (2024). Alexandre le Grand en syriaque. Les Belles Lettres.
• Decharneux, Julien (2023). Creation and Contemplation The Cosmology of the Qur'ān and Its Late Antique Background. De Gruyter.
• Ellis, E. Earle (1991). ""The End of the Earth" (Acts 1:8)" (PDF). Bulletin for Biblical Research. 1: 123–132.
• George, Andrew (2016). Die Kosmogonie des alten Mesopotamien [The cosmogony of ancient Mesopotamia].
• George, Andrew (2021). "Berossus and Babylonian Cosmogony". In Kelly, Adrian; Metcalf, Christopher (eds.). Gods and Mortals in Early Greek and Near Eastern Mythology. Cambridge University Press. pp. 185–198.
• Grosu, Emanuel (2019). "The Heliocentrism of the Ancient: Between Geometry and Physics". Hermeneia. 23: 53–61.
• Habel, Norman C. (1972). ""He Who Stretches Out The Heavens"". The Catholic Biblical Quarterly. 34 (4): 417–430. JSTOR 43713353.
• Hamilton, Victor P (1990). The Book of Genesis: Chapters 1–17. New International Commentary on the Old Testament (NICOT). Grand Rapids, Michigan: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company. p. 540. ISBN 0-8028-2521-4.
• Hannam, James (2023). The Globe: How the Earth became Round. Reaktion Books.
• Heimpel, Wolfgang (1986). "The Sun at Night and the Doors of Heaven in Babylonian Texts". Journal of Cuneiform Studies. 38 (2): 127–151. doi:10.2307/1359796. JSTOR 1359796.
  
  

Thanks for all these, shame there's nothing from the Bible, so I'm contradicting nothing and have nothing to explain & I'm not disagreeing with any of the OT patriarchs.

 

[Apple Sky]

Jeran Campanella, who runs the popular Flat Earth YouTube show 'Jeransim', has travelled to Antarctica as part of a trip dubbed 'The Final Experiment'.

Mr Campanella witnessed first hand that the sun doesn't set during the southern hemisphere's summer.

If you believe this guy, then you'll believe anything.

Flat Earther travels to Antarctica - and realises our planet is round

Jeran Campanella, a famous Flat Earther who appeared in the 2018 film 'Behind the Curve', admits he is wrong in footage from Antarctica.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Now @10:51 in this video You'll find out what Jeran is all about (warning, it's ugly)

The Final Experiment & The Fake Flat Earthers Exposed!

The Final Experiment & The Fake Flat Earthers Exposed!

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[prodromos]

Tell me where is he lying ?

To what end?

We've shown you that Dean Odle lies about the 'flatness' of a playing field in order to mislead his viewers, claiming falsely that, "that's how our eyes work". You refuse to accept that. We've shown you that Eric (the idiot) Dubay repeatedly lies, yet you continue to post his nonsense.

Why would I waste any of my time watching Russianvids videos again in order to highlight his falsehoods when I know it is going to fall on deaf ears. None of your questioning is sincere.

 

[David Lamb]

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As I said, he didn't believe the earth was flat. The image you give is a document in which he talks about whether the earth orbits the sun, etc. not the shape of the earth.

 

[David Lamb]

I've stated the truth, so be it.

But you have not, as far as I can see, answered the question which has been put to you a multitude of times: Why does the sun appear larger at sunrise and sunset than it does at midday? It is further away at sunrise and sunset, so it should look smaller.

 

[prodromos]

If you believe this guy, then you'll believe anything

Don't take his word for it. He was only one of several people who witnessed the 24HR sun in Antarctica and they recorded multiple videos and timelapses while they were there which are available for you to watch on YouTube

 

[Apple Sky]

To what end?

We've shown you that Dean Odle lies about the 'flatness' of a playing field in order to mislead his viewers, claiming falsely that, "that's how our eyes work". You refuse to accept that. We've shown you that Eric (the idiot) Dubay repeatedly lies, yet you continue to post his nonsense.

Why would I waste any of my time watching Russianvids videos again in order to highlight his falsehoods when I know it is going to fall on deaf ears. None of your questioning is sincere.

Nonsense - Russianvids is no liar & neither is Dean Odle.

 

[prodromos]

Nonsense - Russianvids is no liar & neither is Dean Odle.

See! There is no point explaining anything to you. You behave exactly like someone in a cult.

 

[Apple Sky]

The image you give is a document in which he talks about whether the earth orbits the sun

And Martin Luther says it doesn't, what does that tell you ?

 

[David Lamb]

And Martin Luther says it doesn't, what does that tell you ?

Why ask that? The point of my post is that this whole thread is about the shape of the earth, and you originally used Martin Luther (you called him "Luther King" to start with) as and example of someone who believes the earth is flat. You were answering Phil G who had said, "People in the Middle Ages id not believe the earth was flat." You wrote: "Yes they did, why do think the Vatican wanted Copernicus's theories so much from him ? And why do you think that Luther King (you meant Martin Luther) fought so hardly against them?" You didn't cite Luther as an example of someone who believed the sun orbits the earth, but falsely said that he believed the earth is flat.

 

[Strong in Him]

If you can’t explain that and still insist the earth is flat, then how can anyone find you credible???

@Apple Sky lost all credibility, in my eyes, when she wrote a post saying that she accepted Charles Duke's Christian testimony and a prayer to God saying she was sorry she had doubted the astronauts.
She then wrote one saying that Flat Earth was a load of nonsense, that she would find it hard to stick with this belief after so many years but that she knew the Lord would help her. She said something like, "it will be hard, but with God's help, I'll get there."
These were public posts on a public forum; she repented for having doubted moon landings and that the earth is a globe.

This repentance and change of heart lasted only a few months. When another Flat Earth video popped up on YouTube she did not ask God for help in rejecting that belief, she wrote, "yay; I'm back on track" and started calling the astronauts "liars" again.

How can anyone who publicly asks for God's help to accept her new belief in a Globe earth, then "changes her mind" about it, without asking for God's help, be trusted when she says that she tells the truth?

 

[Phil G]

Jeran Campanella, who runs the popular Flat Earth YouTube show 'Jeransim', has travelled to Antarctica as part of a trip dubbed 'The Final Experiment'.

Mr Campanella witnessed first hand that the sun doesn't set during the southern hemisphere's summer.

If you believe this guy, then you'll believe anything.

Flat Earther travels to Antarctica - and realises our planet is round

Jeran Campanella, a famous Flat Earther who appeared in the 2018 film 'Behind the Curve', admits he is wrong in footage from Antarctica.

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Now @10:51 in this video You'll find out what Jeran is all about (warning, it's ugly)

The Final Experiment & The Fake Flat Earthers Exposed!

The Final Experiment & The Fake Flat Earthers Exposed!

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I don't know why you try to bring up Campanella now. Nobody here is using him as a source. He went to Antarctica, he saw the 24 hour sun in the sky. He now admits he was wrong about flat earth. At least he's man enough to do that.

You, however, have used Dubay as a source. Then, in a moment of lucid thinking, you saw him ridicule God, so you dropped him. But then you decided to use him as a source again. And no matter what anybody said to you about his ant-Christ views, you kept using as him a source, saying he tells the truth about flat earth. And so you continued.

Now, in another very rare lucid moment, you decide to drop him again because I posted another video of him mocking God. How long before you use him as a source again? I'd give it maybe a month or two based on your previous.

You're in no position to claim anything about Campanella. You have shown your hypocrisy on this.

And if you continue to ignore the fact that you can't explain your own observation about the sun and moon appearing bigger at sunrise and moonrise when that observation contradicts flat earth, then your continued insistence that the earth is flat falls flat itself, pun intended.

 

[Phil G]

@Apple Sky lost all credibility, in my eyes, when she wrote a post saying that she accepted Charles Duke's Christian testimony and a prayer to God saying she was sorry she had doubted the astronauts.
She then wrote one saying that Flat Earth was a load of nonsense, that she would find it hard to stick with this belief after so many years but that she knew the Lord would help her. She said something like, "it will be hard, but with God's help, I'll get there."
These were public posts on a public forum; she repented for having doubted moon landings and that the earth is a globe.

This repentance and change of heart lasted only a few months. When another Flat Earth video popped up on YouTube she did not ask God for help in rejecting that belief, she wrote, "yay; I'm back on track" and started calling the astronauts "liars" again.

How can anyone who publicly asks for God's help to accept her new belief in a Globe earth, then "changes her mind" about it, without asking for God's help, be trusted when she says that she tells the truth?

Exactly. Apple has single-handedly destroyed her own credibility on these threads.

 

[Strong in Him]

Tell me where is he lying ?

You've been told, and shown, where he is lying; in his statement about the playing field.
You can't accept it.

Dean Odle also said something like, "let's go to Antarctica to find the truth. If there is a 24 hour sun, the earth's a globe".
When he was shown the truth, he immediately denounced the whole expedition as fake - even though he had turned down the chance to go and see for himself.
He can't be trusted either.