Obama referred to DOJ for criminal charges

[wing2000]

Bummer. Obama is not on "the list".

 

[Always in His Presence]

I wonder who has recently been reviewing and releasing old documents about Obama.

Uh, Umm...

DOJ receives Gabbard's criminal referral on bombshell Russia claims | Fox News

Gabbard released unclassified documents that reportedly show "overwhelming evidence" that President Barack Obama and his team laid the groundwork for what would be the yearslong Trump–Russia probe.

www.foxnews.com

The Department of Justice confirmed Monday that it has received Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard's criminal referral related to her bombshell claims that Obama-era officials "manufactured and politicized intelligence" to create the narrative that Russia was attempting to influence the 2016 presidential election, Fox News has confirmed.

The Department of Justice declined further comment, but confirmed to Fox News that the department received the referral.

Gabbard released unclassified documents Friday that reportedly show "overwhelming evidence" that then-President Barack Obama and his national security team laid the groundwork for what would be the yearslong Trump-Russia collusion probe after Trump's election win against former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in 2016.

That is who - right there in the very first post.

Were the papers somehow sent back in time to 2017 by Biden? The "case" only dates to Trump's second term.

The Russia hoax was during his first term.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Uh, Umm...
That is who - right there in the very first post.

Wow, so DNI Gabbard, who oversees FBI for intelligence, has recently been pulling 8-year old documents about Obama, and after that process was over, 8-year old documents about Obama are found at FBI slated for proper disposal?

 

[DaisyDay]

Uh, Umm...

That is who - right there in the very first post.

What, Tulsi has been rooting around "secret rooms" - - of the FBI?

The Russia hoax was during his first term.

And when was the investigation of the investigation?

 

[wing2000]

Wow, so DNI Gabbard, who oversees FBI for intelligence, has recently been pulling 8-year old documents about Obama, and after that process was over, 8-year old documents about Obama are found at FBI slated for proper disposal?

Who knows, after the **OBAMA** cycle is over, MAGA will regurgitate "Benghazi".....
You would think they could come up with some new material...

 

[DaisyDay]

Who knows, after the **OBAMA** cycle is over, MAGA will regurgitate "Benghazi".....
You would think they could come up with some new material...

But this material is time-tested effective with the Trumpers and has the added value of familiarity and confirmation bias.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Wow, so DNI Gabbard, who oversees FBI for intelligence, has recently been pulling 8-year old documents about Obama, and after that process was over, 8-year old documents about Obama are found at FBI slated for proper disposal?

My opinion - you really need a better news source than what you are using. The accusations have been around for more than a decade - the issue was the Democratically controlled DOJ did not cooperate - now the DOJ is under different leadership and they have access to the information.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Sensitive document on a case being currently investigated found in a burn bag and you think it isn’t an attempt to destroy evidence.

You're getting confused about the timelines.

According to the Fox News article that was the source of the CBS Austin piece, one of the documents in there was part of John Durham's final report, which was submitted two years ago.

The rest of the article is less specific about which documents were in there, but it implies that at least a lot of them were related, in some way, to Crossfire Hurricane - all of those investigations have been over for a while now.

This current investigation only started after Trump took office. If somebody tried to destroy them while the investigation was ongoing, it was one of your guys. Prior to that, it was dead and all of these documents were just trash.

Pictured a server, actually a series of servers that contain terabytes of terabytes of information all encrypted files all different locations. Tell me how you’re gonna find 100 documents within that system?

uh... Basic organization and naming conventions. Keyword searches. Hashes. The same way you find any file on any system. I have something like 50TB of storage within about 10' of my chair right now and I can find whatever I want within seconds. Anybody who's used a computer has done this. What are you even talking about? Of all your protests so far, this is easily the most ludicrous.

It’s not like going into your system and setting up saying pull all my word files that have to do with Russian collusion.

Yes, it very well can be.

It would be like covering the city of New York City 2 feet deep in quarters and telling someone go out and find the right quarter but we’re not gonna tell you what year it is.

Why? Perhaps if somebody was trying to hide the files on the server, then that could be the case, but nobody's even alleged that. But even that, that's not impossible if you have the decryption key. It just takes a while to index the contents of the files. My PC can index the contents of all my files.

When I worked in the military for counterespionage, those burn bags were changed daily so they didn’t sit around

Again, I’ll ask you you honestly think they sit around for years in a burn bag waiting to be burnt? Really?

If you recall, I said "Now, if a burn bag sat around for years, that might be a violation of a document handling policy, but in the other direction- they probably should’ve been destroyed long ago."

I agree that it probably should've been burned a while ago. That it wasn't is odd.

But if they were trying to hide it, why did they hang onto it instead of burning it? Your theory doesn't even make logical sense unless the theory is that they tried to burn it, but screwed up and forgot to do so.

Well golly G I thought that they were putting burn bags to be preserved.

It’s an active investigation and evidence in that investigation is in a burn bag getting ready to be destroyed.

Again, unless your guys put it in those burn bags within the last few months, it was not put into the bag during an active, relevant investigation.

 

[iluvatar5150]

My opinion - you really need a better news source than what you are using.

My opinion - you guys are failing to even understand what you're alleging. You, personally, just keep posting op-eds and AI summaries, while the rest of us actually read what Gabbard posted and claimed and saw for ourselves that there's no there there. Your own allegations don't even make any sense.

 

[essentialsaltes]

My opinion - you really need a better news source than what you are using. The accusations have been around for more than a decade - the issue was the Democratically controlled DOJ did not cooperate - now the DOJ is under different leadership and they have access to the information.

There are no accusations alleged to be in a burn bag. There are documents. On the same topic as those the DNI has been quite recently reviewing and releasing to various parties.

 

[DaisyDay]

The accusations have been around for more than a decade

Which accusations have been around since before 2015?

the issue was the Democratically controlled DOJ did not cooperate -

Not so much that as the president of the time did not direct his DOJ to go after his opponents. Back then, the DOJ was semi-autonomous.

now the DOJ is under different leadership and they have access to the information.

Now the DOJ is completely politicized at the highest levels and is actively looking for a crime to hang on the current president's so-called enemies. Too many people are asking, in effect, "Why didn't the Biden and Obama administrations behave as unethically as Trump's?"

 

[Always in His Presence]

Not so much that as the president of the time did not direct his DOJ to go after his opponents. Back then, the DOJ was semi-autonomous.

Denial in this instance doesn't work - that is what the entire inquiry is about.

 

[DaisyDay]

Denial in this instance doesn't work - that is what the entire inquiry is about.

More correctly, this entire very public accusation is about distracting from Trump's Epstein scandal. In the past, non-Trumpian administrations, the DOJ's line concerning investigations was, "We can neither confirm nor deny that *so-and-so* is being investigated".

Comey broke the mold in announcing that he was reopening the Clinton email investigation a mere two weeks before the election, which certainly helped tip the election in Trump's favor. Do you think Comey did this on Obama's behalf?

 

[Always in His Presence]

More correctly, this entire very public accusation is about distracting from Trump's Epstein scandal

That is the current tribe speak going on. Here is the problem. The Democratic President, overseeing the Judicial Branch, including the FBI and DOJ had access to all the files for years - If you are trying to tell me that they did not look or read them, that's laughable. If there is damaging evidence - why didn't they bring it out and charge him?

They did it before - 900 congressional investigations in his first term and you believe they didn't look at the files -

. In the past, non-Trumpian administrations, the DOJ's line concerning investigations was, "We can neither confirm nor deny that *so-and-so* is being investigated".

Except if the investigation was against Trump - they had no issue then. That has changed now that he cleaned house.

Comey broke the mold in announcing that he was reopening the Clinton email investigation a mere two weeks before the election, which certainly helped tip the election in Trump's favor. Do you think Comey did this on Obama's behalf?

Perhaps a history lesson is in order:

it's only six minutes and Comey - admits to seven different instances of Hillary lying to Congress, not disputing that she gave false exculpatory evidence and concealed or destroyed evidence.

That was AFTER the evidence recently presented showing Obama's directive - or communique' regarding Hillary.

So yes, i believe Comey did this on Obama's behalf and direction. Who else can lie to congress seven times - destroy or conceal evidence and not be charged?

 

[iluvatar5150]

So yes, i believe Comey did this on Obama's behalf and direction. Who else can lie to congress seven times - destroy or conceal evidence and not be charged?

Trump was elected a few months after that hearing, having run a platform of holding Hillary accountable. (“Lock her up!”, remember?)

What happened with that?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

That's how sensitive paperwork is supposed to be destroyed.

Not when the paperwork is being used for an investigation. Then it is tampering with evidence.

 

[eclipsenow]

It’s pretty silly to assume that this is an attempt to destroy evidence. Unless these documents were hand-written, then they were created and printed from a computer; and if they were produced on a computer, then they were waaaaay-more-than-likely retained on a server somewhere because of rules regarding document retention. And if they’re retained on a server, then all the burn bags are for is the destruction of the hard copies, which is an entirely normal process for any organization that has hard copies of sensitive documents floating around.

When I worked as a lowly grunt at Big Defense Contractor, every office had at least one (often multiple) full-sized trash cans, padlocked shut with a mail slot in the top, for disposing of these sensitive documents. Every so often, Iron Mountain would come through and collect them to be destroyed. I assumed they were shredded, but I suppose it’s possible they were burned.

Now, if a burn bag sat around for years, that might be a violation of a document handling policy, but in the other direction- they probably should’ve been destroyed long ago.

Haha I agree. Even in the lowly mailroom of an Aussie telco we had to cover this as part of our annual compliance training - and had those big grey Iron Mountain wheely bins with the locked lids for secure destruction. We also had digital media bins for old CDS & DVDs etc.

All fairly run of the nill

Remember - this is the same Administration that reported normal government policies as "evidence of corruption" and did their Fox News trick of waving a bit of paper around dramatically. But when analysed further - it was just quite ordinary government policies and publicly verifiable subsidies for various policies. But any government payment was announced as "corruption".
If you see a blonde lady wearing a crucifix on Fox News - you're about to hear the most confused and unchristian ranting ever.

 

[eclipsenow]

Not when the paperwork is being used for an investigation. Then it is tampering with evidence.

While we're speaking of evidence - where is yours? The Western Journal again?

 

[eclipsenow]

Satan wants to use elected officials in Canada and in the USA, to set in motion a modern Holocaust on Christians and Jews that will be even worse than what Adolf Hitler did while he was in power. From what I have heard the plans are rather huge and in a way emerge out of an idea that can be traced back to "Neo-Malthusian Economic Theory" or perhaps to "Malthusian Catastrophe."

A terrible error by Canada's Prime Minister Pierre E. Trudeau in 1974 is an important part of this whole scheme.

Is the National Debt of the United States significantly a Practical Joke being played on Americans?

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All the "Jesus told me the next few years are the End Times ..." visions all contradict each other. This very website has an eschatology forum where this stuff comes up again and again.

According to one of the loudest and longest contributors in that forum, his "vision" said there should be a temple in Jerusalem by now! That guy pleaded with me to take his vision seriously back in 2020 - and I've just been biding my time.

According to Acts 2 and Hebrews 1 we've been in the End Times / Last Days for 2000 years and counting. The Lord could return in 5 seconds or 50,000 years - we just don't know - and all these visions and attempts to lay Revelation out as a political thriller just make us Christians look paranoid and dumb. Please stop it!

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Somebody neglected to burn them. If somebody wanted to hide them, they wouldn't leave them laying around. To claim otherwise is silly.

Have any evidence? Surely you do considering how important it is to you.