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The Art of (Epstein) Distraction

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By beating him out for a mansion in PB?
Maybe not - Trump rambled on the press conference in England today that the reason Epstein was a disgrace was because he hired away "the help" from Mar-a-Lago.

 
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And why don’t you post a year that Donald Trump went to a party with Epstein? Probably because it happened before Donald Trump unfriended Epstein when he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago. We already know that Trump was once a friend of Epstein’s, that is until Epstein revealed his true colors.
If you actually think Donald didn't know Epstein's "true colors" before that, I've got a bridge I'd love to sell you. Great location, easy payments, act now!

-- A2SG, you could even name it after Donald, if you like....
 
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Maybe not - Trump rambled on the press conference in England today that the reason Epstein was a disgrace was because he hired away "the help" from Mar-a-Lago.

We should be careful to distinguish possible reasons, from implausible ones. I don't believe the "help" claim at all. (He's previously claimed it was a member's daughter that triggered the disconnection.) More plausible reasons seem to be competition for a PB mansion both wanted to purchase, including a version that has Epstein "realizing" that *Trump* was "a crook." Frankly, I wouldn't put too much weight in any of them, but whatever Trump is selling now probably isn't true.
 
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If you actually think Donald didn't know Epstein's "true colors" before that, I've got a bridge I'd love to sell you. Great location, easy payments, act now!

-- A2SG, you could even name it after Donald, if you like....
And the left seems to believe that their leaders do no wrong while all the evidence points to the contrary.

But sometimes, as a businessman, you have to deal with other people, even unsavory people, in order to do business. Maybe he knew Epstein’s true colors, but until they impacted him or his business/home (since Mar-a-Lago is his home), he was free to not have to address it before then.
 
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And the left seems to believe that their leaders do no wrong while all the evidence points to the contrary.
Accusation in a mirror.
But sometimes, as a businessman, you have to deal with other people, even unsavory people, in order to do business. Maybe he knew Epstein’s true colors, but until they impacted him or his business/home (since Mar-a-Lago is his home), he was free to not have to address it before then.
As a businessman? They were best buds and partied together for 15 years!
 
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Your claim is utterly baseless and you know it.
On the contrary, it is well founded whether you admit it or not.
So does everyone else. Over and over again your posts have shown to little more than an emotional rants rather than based upon logical conclusions surrounded by facts because of your dislike or Trump. Which is an emotion. Pointing out the fact rhat my conclusion was logical based on your posts was the proper thing to do. How on earth you deemed that as emotional is quite a head scratcher.
Another emotional rant! You may attempt to use logic to justify your emotional reaction, but your conclusion is very obviously based on your emotions.
Lol. I guess you are entitled to believe what you
There's an incomplete thought!
Hmm... which was under control of the Democrats for rhe last four years. STILL no photographs though.
And under Trump's, Patel's and Bongino's control for the last six months. They may have been disappeared by now.
Of course it didn't because thats what Wolff said. And you know what he didnt say in that article? That the photos were of under 18 year old topless girls with Trump.

You know good well what the article said. You posted it. I hope you read it. Even your second article doesn't say they were under 18 year old topless girls on his lap.

And guess what. Still no pictures. Your claim and Wolffs claim have no evidence. In fact according to that article Wolff doesn't even claim what you do.
Lols. “And it was Trump – with girls of uncertain age."
 
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And the left seems to believe that their leaders do no wrong while all the evidence points to the contrary.
You're going to have to take that up with whoever said such an odd thing.

Frankly, it sounds more like MAGA to me.

But sometimes, as a businessman, you have to deal with other people, even unsavory people, in order to do business. Maybe he knew Epstein’s true colors, but until they impacted him or his business/home (since Mar-a-Lago is his home), he was free to not have to address it before then.
Or he simply became a political liability, and Trump threw him aside, just as he does with everyone else who is no longer a benefit to him.

-- A2SG, could go either way, I guess....
 
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Or he simply became a political liability, and Trump threw him aside, just as he does with everyone else who is no longer a benefit to him.
In the Palm Beach real estate deal dispute theory of their falling out, it was Epstein who cut off Trump because Trump screwed Epstein on the deal. Supposedly, Epstein asked Trump to come along to the auction for advice, but Trump went behind Epstein's back and secretly outbid him.
 
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You're going to have to take that up with whoever said such an odd thing.

Frankly, it sounds more like MAGA to me.

It’s displayed here on a daily basis for all to see. I’ve not seen a person on the left here who is willing to look at the good that’s been done by Trump while propping up the treasonous and illegal “accomplishments” of the leaders on their own side.
Or he simply became a political liability, and Trump threw him aside, just as he does with everyone else who is no longer a benefit to him.

-- A2SG, could go either way, I guess....
I guess you can see it that way when you refuse to see the good that he does because “orange man bad”.

But, as it’s been mentioned numerous times, it’s humorous to see people who didn’t care one iota about Epstein and his perverse activities for YEARS suddenly care because Trump hasn’t done something about it in his first couple months. It reminds me of fake outrage.
 
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On the contrary, it is well founded whether you admit it or not.
No its not. It's utterly a questionable journalists statement. He provides NO evidence whatsoever. There is no foundation of proof or evidence. Unfounded. Your emotions toward Trump have caused you to believe it without evidence.
Another emotional rant! You may attempt to use logic to justify your emotional reaction, but your conclusion is very obviously based on your emotions.
Lol, what an emotional rant. See I was right.
There's an incomplete thought!
Its an incomplete sentence. Which happens time to time when one doesn't finish a post and has to come back to it later to finish it.
And under Trump's, Patel's and Bongino's control for the last six months. They may have been disappeared by now.
More unfounded accusations. Thats all that you've been able to produce.
Lols. “And it was Trump – with girls of uncertain age."
You know what's missing from that sentence? "Topless girls under 18 years of age". And guess what? Still no actual pictures. Just a statement from a questionable source.
 
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But, as it’s been mentioned numerous times, it’s humorous to see people who didn’t care one iota about Epstein and his perverse activities for YEARS suddenly care because Trump hasn’t done something about it in his first couple months. It reminds me of fake outrage.
What you seem to fail to understand in your accusations is that most sensible/informed people left/right/center/whatever knew there wasn't much that could be done with "the Epstein files". The data in question is investigative materials including from searches for crimes committed by someone who is dead. If he had accomplices (or "clients") then testimony by actual victims would be needed, and it may be that they didn't want to testify. From public information we know Epstein was involved in the sleazy world of teen modeling and pageants and who some of his associates were in that world.

Here are a few basic reasons why no one else was charged:

1. Illegal conduct was outside the statute of limitations.
2. Illegal conduct was primarily state, not federal
3. Chargeable crimes required witnesses that did not want to come forward.
4. Chargeable individual was POTUS, who then committed a bunch of more critical federal crimes.

Someday the lead prosecutor on the Epstein/Maxwell case will write her memoir of the case and explain the state of it, but until then we are unlikely to know.

Most of what has been discussed in the media and online of late has been available for years. The "prison tape" and the "birthday book" are the only notable new information. Victims have given new interviews, but I am unaware of any new victims coming forward yet.

On the purely cynical and political side, do you not think that if the Democratic party apparatus thought they could go after Trump and destroy parts of his support base with Epstein, they would not have done so one year ago? Of course they would, but I suspect it wouldn't have worked. Part of the reason that Trump is losing contact with part of his "base" over this is because he put people who pushed conspiracies about Epstein into position of power where they would get to know things and once they did they all come out with "nothing to see here". The same people going after Trump/Bondi/Patel/Bongino would have just gone after the Dem/DeepState as their Pizzagate/QAnon/et seq. conspiracies about "prominent Dems as sex abuse of minors" had been pushing for 8 years and it would not have worked. Trump has been literally stirring this pot for years and then asked the flame stokers to join him in the pot while they relit the fire.
 
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Some core MAGA types won't take their eyes of the prize, regardless of distractions.

Patrick Howley, a journalist who cycled through conservative media outlets before moving on to conspiracy content and eventually flagrant white nationalism and antisemitism ... doubled down the following day, writing, “I’m not going to do 2017 Crossfire Hurricane content again [a reference to the FBI investigation of Russian links to Trump] unless Obama and [former Secretary of State] Hillary [Clinton] actually gets arrested. I don’t have to pretend this stuff is new just because the Admin is in damage control mode over Epstein.”


<satire>

Don’t let Sydney Sweeney’s great jeans distract you from the fact they still haven’t released the Epstein files​

</satire>

[poopoo word in article, so no link]
 
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No its not.
Yes, it is.
It's utterly a questionable journalists statement. He provides NO evidence whatsoever. There is no foundation of proof or evidence. Unfounded. Your emotions toward Trump have caused you to believe it without evidence.
Wolff had unusual access to Trump with thousands of interview hours on tape as well as interviews with Epstein. His word is not proof, but it is evidence no matter how desperately you may deny it.
Lol, what an emotional rant. See I was right.
Silly taunting: I know you are but what am I.
Its an incomplete sentence. Which happens time to time when one doesn't finish a post and has to come back to it later to finish it.
As expressed, it is also an incomplete thought, so
More unfounded accusations. Thats all that you've been able to produce.
That was not even an accusation but speculation; well, the second half is speculation. Even you, surely, aren't disputing the first half?
You know what's missing from that sentence? "Topless girls under 18 years of age". And guess what? Still no actual pictures. Just a statement from a questionable source.
Unless the exact phrase is found the meaning isn't there? No paraphrasing allowed! Your emotions may not allow you to accept Michael Wolff as a source, but beyond "Nu-uh!" you've shown nothing to discredit him as a source.
 
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Maybe not - Trump rambled on the press conference in England today that the reason Epstein was a disgrace was because he hired away "the help" from Mar-a-Lago.
To be fair, Epstein did 'hire' Virginia Giuffre who worked at Mar-a-Lago. (starting page 24)

Q What do you understand this document to be?

A It's a rough background of the years that I was abused by Ghislaine and Jeffrey.

Q All right. Did something change between the time then and today that makes you believe that it's not all accurate?

A Well, as you can see, in line 4 on page 1, I wasn't aware of my dates. I was just doing the best to guesstimate when I actually met them. Since then I've been able to find out that through my Mar-a-Lago records that it was actually the summer of 2000, not the summer of 1999.
 
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But, as it’s been mentioned numerous times, it’s humorous to see people who didn’t care one iota about Epstein and his perverse activities for YEARS suddenly care because Trump hasn’t done something about it in his first couple months. It reminds me of fake outrage.
Epstein had been convicted and dead for several years before Biden came into office. His co-conspirator was in prison. What was the urgency?
 
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On the purely cynical and political side, do you not think that if the Democratic party apparatus thought they could go after Trump and destroy parts of his support base with Epstein, they would not have done so one year ago? Of course they would, but I suspect it wouldn't have worked. Part of the reason that Trump is losing contact with part of his "base" over this is because he put people who pushed conspiracies about Epstein into position of power where they would get to know things and once they did they all come out with "nothing to see here". The same people going after Trump/Bondi/Patel/Bongino would have just gone after the Dem/DeepState as their Pizzagate/QAnon/et seq. conspiracies about "prominent Dems as sex abuse of minors" had been pushing for 8 years and it would not have worked. Trump has been literally stirring this pot for years and then asked the flame stokers to join him in the pot while they relit the fire.
That’s exactly what I think. That Biden’s DoJ combed through the files looking for something incriminating to pin on Trump, and found nothing.

I do not have a problem with the files not being released though some feel that this was a big promise that Trump made, not part of his platform, just something that was of general interest to his followers. But if you think that his not releasing them is creating a rift between him and them, you are wrong. Trump’s popularity according to polls, is stronger now than when he took office.
 
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