A whites-only community in Arkansas looking to start a franchise in Missouri

[Chesterton]

There's no such thing as "white culture". There is American culture. There is Irish culture, German culture, Italian culture, English culture, Scottish culture, Welsh culture.

You do know there were many different tribes in Europe just as there were many different tribes in Africa?

If there is, perhaps an example of what this "white culture" looks like could be provided. What's an example of "white culture"?

Before I reply, could you provide an example of black culture so I know where you're coming from? So that I can know if we're on the same page.

 

[Servus]

I'm also not a woman, but I still don't like rapists.

This is what is known as empathy.



-CryptoLutheran

Lately certain folks are going on and on about how much empathy they have.

 

[ralliann]

There's no such thing as "white culture". There is American culture.

What is American culture?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Lately certain folks are going on and on about how much empathy they have.

What an awful state of affairs.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[essentialsaltes]

Lately certain folks are going on and on about how much empathy they have.

Lately certain folks are going on and on about how empathy is a trick of Satan.

 

[ViaCrucis]

What is American culture?

I could go on.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

What is actually happening to this forum?

Like I said earlier. Folks are telling on themselves, and people should pay attention.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Servus]

Lately certain folks are going on and on about how empathy is a trick of Satan.

Be sure to read my replies on page 1 of that thread.

 

[ralliann]

I could go on.

-CryptoLutheran

Assimilation. Used to be that way.

 

[Servus]

What an awful state of affairs.

-CryptoLutheran

People tooting their own horns to such a large degree usually comes off as disingenuous.

 

[MrMoe]

The outspoken co-founder of Return to the Land, a relatively new whites-only group based in northern Arkansas, said the group could be expanding to Missouri.

Eric Orwoll, co-founder of Return to the Land (RTTL), told Nexstar’s KOLR that a group of people is considering developing an RTTL community near Springfield.

According to RTTL’s website, RTTL is a private member association exclusively made for white people. Jewish people are also barred from membership. Members are vetted through an application process based on European ancestry.

Orwoll contends RTTL’s criteria reflect “shared ancestral values,” not hatred or violence.

[Orwoll also contends it's a private club and they don't sell real estate, so it doesn't fall afoul of housing laws.]

“Whites should have the ability to live among their own people if that’s what they want to do, and mass immigration is quickly making that nearly impossible in many Western nations,” Orwoll said.

This is good news. Racists and antisemites are self segregating themselves away from main society.

 

[MrMoe]

Lately certain folks are going on and on about how empathy is a trick of Satan.

Seems like what the people quoted in that article are talking about is suicidal empathy or pathological altruism. Which can be harmful to individuals and society. We see a lot of suicidal empathy/pathological altruism on the left.

 

[Ophiolite]

We see a lot of suicidal empathy/pathological altruism on the left

We do? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm asking for examples of suicidal empathy. I don't understand what that is, how it would manifest.

As for pathalogical altruism, as I've never previously heard or seen those two words in combination I am having difficulty in deciding what you may mean by them. As a left wing, tree hugging socialist I'm haven't discerned any tendency for my active altruism to run out of control. Perhaps you will be able to enlighten me.

(Please ignore the sub-text in above. That's just a side effect of supressed altruism and omission of empathy. )

 

[Bradskii]

We do? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm asking for examples of suicidal empathy. I don't understand what that is, how it would manifest.

Apparently it's caring too much. An excess of compassion. Which seems a very odd concept to me. I can understand directing resources ina less than optimal manner to help someone in need, but we each choose the charities we support. anyway, there's a paper here describing it which I'll read shortly: https://www.researchgate.net/public...pathy_The_Danger_of_Compassion_Without_Limits

 

[Ophiolite]

Apparently it's caring too much. An excess of compassion. Which seems a very odd concept to me. I can understand directing resources ina less than optimal manner to help someone in need, but we each choose the charities we support. anyway, there's a paper here describing it which I'll read shortly: https://www.researchgate.net/public...pathy_The_Danger_of_Compassion_Without_Limits

I have read, as a starting point, the abstract and one sentence caught my eye: "It advocates for a framework of empathy with accountability, ensuring that compassionate actions align with societal stability and collective well-being."

This implies that feelings of empathy must always result in an action (intended to be compassionate, but which - according to the author - may turn out to produce undesirable consequences.) My understanding of empathy is that it is a recognition of the feelings and concerns of others. With that take on it, actions will not be required to follow. I can feel empathy for the views of racists, while considering those views at best muddled and at worst evil.

 

[Bradskii]

We do? I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm asking for examples of suicidal empathy.

Well, I didn't read the paper as such, rather the commentary that came with it, which summarised it adequately. Suicidal empathy is just another way of saying that compassion for helping any segment of society is useless without a certain amount of critical thinking as to the best way to help them without disadvantaging other members of society. Well...duh.

I could well see it used as an argument to not helping anyone who is not a member of your own group. Say spending money via USAid to help those in need. 'It's Suicidal Empathy! will be the cry. When those making that claim would have no idea of the small amount of money actually being spent as compared to the wealth of the nation spending it.

I assume that pathological altruism is cut from much the same cloth.

 

[Bradskii]

I have read, as a starting point, the abstract and one sentence caught my eye: "It advocates for a framework of empathy with accountability, ensuring that compassionate actions align with societal stability and collective well-being."

This implies that feelings of empathy must always result in an action (intended to be compassionate, but which - according to the author - may turn out to produce undesirable consequences.) My understanding of empathy is that it is a recognition of the feelings and concerns of others. With that take on it, actions will not be required to follow. I can feel empathy for the views of racists, while considering those views at best muddled and at worst evil.

Yes, I appreciate that view. But frankly I've given up trying to explain to people that empathy is, as you rightly say, just the ability to understand what someone else is feeling. It's constantly being used as a synonym for sympathy or compassion. Neither of which you would necessarily feel if you understand what the other person is feeling. In fact, you might empathise with someone in pain and feel pleasure in their distress. A psychopath might want to increase your pain by getting pleasure from knowing how much you are suffering (although it would be cognitive empathy as opposed to emotional empathy).

I've seen threads on the 'evils' of empathy which would correlate with the term of 'suicidal empathy'. As far as I'm concerned it's just a buzz phrase that can be thrown out at random to avoid directly addressing possible solutions to any given societal problem.

Quite an interesting proposed reading list at the end of the summary.

 

[ralliann]

Seems like what the people quoted in that article are talking about is suicidal empathy or pathological altruism. Which can be harmful to individuals and society. We see a lot of suicidal empathy/pathological altruism on the left.

I don't think it is so much. I think for some or even many, it is a tactic. They don't seem to care about children being put in terrible situations. Many are missing, have been trafficked. People on streets etc. They don't care about people there.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Assimilation. Used to be that way.

Two of those things were distinctively American, but were *definitely* not "assimilation".

 

[ViaCrucis]

Assimilation. Used to be that way.

Would you say that part of the culture of the UK is the English language? Even though it was the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes who brought the earliest form of what we call English? Even though the language was assimilated among the Brittons, and even eventually among the Scots of northern Britain? Even though English assimilated a layer of Norman French after William conquered England? And so all the greater literary works, the Canterbury Tales, the works of Shakespeare are the product of an assimilated language--those are still part of English, and even more broadly, British culture?

How about English Common Law practices which were also introduced largely by the Normans following the conquest?

Let's talk about America's own literary traditions, the works of Melville, Twain, or Salinger? Not American culture?

Let's talk about food, Italy is famous for its culinary tradition and food culture, can you think of anything more Italian than a Neapolitan pizza or pasta with a tomato-based sauce? And yet, the tomato is a crop from the Americas. An imported crop that has become not only a major component of the food culture of Italy, but in many of the cultural traditions of Europe. The same is true of the potato, a tuber that originates from the Peruvian Andes.

But let's go back to Italy, we talk about "Italy" as though it were a single nation and we talk about an "Italian culture"--but up until the 1800s Italy didn't exist. The peninsula was for centuries a patchwork of states, the Pope ruled the Papal States from Rome (Vatican City is the vestige of the old Papal States), and there were the famous city-states of Florence, Genoa, Venice, with unique traditions all their own. And before the rise of the Italian city-states, before Charlemagne's conquest, there was the Kingdom of the Lombards, one of the Germanic states that appeared during the Migration period, where after the fall of Rome the Germanic tribal nations settled and established their own kingdoms throughout Western Europe--the Kingdom of the Franks, the Kingdom of the Lombards, the Kingdom of the Visigoths. And all these kingdoms and peoples settled and assimilated into the local populations, influencing language, local laws, creating amalgamations of culture; forging cultural developments out of the old Roman cultural traditions which had dominated in these regions with new and foreign traditions introduced by these migratory and now settled tribes.

Go anywhere and you'll find these same historical forces at work. Every village, every region, every modern state, a long history of amalgamation, assimilation, cultural exchange. It's everywhere.

So unless your argument is that culture doesn't exist at all anywhere, for anyone, then your rebuttal is meaningless faff.

-CryptoLutheran