Watch: CNN Cuts Tulsi Gabbard Off as She Lays Out the Inconvenient Facts of the Russia Hoax

[probinson]

Frankly, I don’t think Obama did enough to stop this train wreck.

I greatly appreciate posts like this because it removes the facade that Democrats care about fair elections.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I greatly appreciate posts like this because it removes the facade that Democrats care about fair elections.

What fair elections? When was the last fair election? Tell me all about how the GOP support fair elections.

 

[probinson]

What fair elections? When was the last fair election? Tell me all about how the GOP support fair elections.

Are you implying that our elections are not "fair"? Why do you feel that way?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Happy reading and parsing!

You seem to be having difficulty with pronouns. Iluvatar (and I) have already examined the documents. But we haven't seen much evidence that 'you guys' have done so.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Yes, direct links to the content. I started with the press release, which then linked to both the memo and the supporting documents. I actually read the press release, the memo, and skimmed the 100 pages of documents. You know, reading and parsing the source information for myself like you suggested.

It's amazing how you keep doubling down on being wrong about something so inconsequential.

Here's the bottom of the page you linked to:

See where it says, "the files and a memo on today's release are available on DNI.gov"? That DNI.gov link is the one that I posted, which brings you to this:

I wasn't even trying to be snarky in my initial response to you in post 12, but thanks for confirming my statement about how you guys who are pushing this narrative aren't reading things carefully.

 

[probinson]

You seem to be having difficulty with pronouns. Iluvatar (and I) have already examined the documents. But we haven't seen much evidence that 'you guys' have done so.

I'm not sure who "you guys" is supposed to be referencing, but I can assure you I've examined the documents. That's why I linked them, so others could examine them as well.

 

[wing2000]

The propaganda "Russia hacked our elections" and "the election was stolen" was pushed relentlessly by top Democrats, up to and including Hillary Clinton, and media outlets to cause people to question the election results. That's why, had you watched the video, you would have seen that despite no credible evidence, 67% of Democrats believed that Russia tampered with vote tallies.

Again, ignoring the point. You obviously have not read Gabbard's memo or the argument she is trying to make. I'm done..

 

[essentialsaltes]

I'm not sure who "you guys" is supposed to be referencing,

IIRC, Iluvatar's comment was not a reply to you.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Are you implying that our elections are not "fair"?

Yeah

Why do you feel that way?

It should be obvious.

How do you feel about the 2020 election?

 

[iluvatar5150]

I'm not sure who "you guys" is supposed to be referencing,

Well, given that prior to my post 10 going up at 6:07pm yesterday, you had made (looks at post history) zero posts on this subject, you'd have been safe in assuming that it wasn't about you.

 

[Say it aint so]

Watch: CNN Cuts Tulsi Gabbard Off as She Lays Out the Inconvenient Facts of the Russia Hoax​

However, on Wednesday, CNN proved it sometimes knows when to stop: namely, when Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard starts listing inconvenient facts.​

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So, for those of you who missed it, Gabbard was laying out even more of the evidence she had that the outgoing administration of former President Barack Obama, in late 2016 and early 2017, essentially manufactured the Russia hoax out of intelligence that was dodgy at best and invented at worst.​

There was no evidence of anything in that press conference. Evidence is something that provides truth. There is a difference between claims and evidence. The Dems stole the election by dragging in suitcases of illegal votes. That's a claim. The evidence proved otherwise. There is no evidence for Gabbard's claims.

 

[Say it aint so]

The propaganda "Russia hacked our elections" and "the election was stolen" was pushed relentlessly by top Democrats, up to and including Hillary Clinton, and media outlets to cause people to question the election results. That's why, had you watched the video, you would have seen that despite no credible evidence, 67% of Democrats believed that Russia tampered with vote tallies.

I don't know why you're pretending like the purpose of running around incessantly proclaiming that "RUSSIA HACKED OUR ELECTIONS!!!!!!" wasn't to get people to believe that votes had been tampered with. That was exactly the point.

And it worked. Look at the data: "Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected President". 31% of Democrats said that statement was "Definitely true" while another 36% said it "Probably true".

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Russia did in fact target all 50 states voting systems. Including inside the data bases. With that, exactly what or who was saying they changed the vote tallies?

 

[probinson]

It's amazing how you keep doubling down on being wrong about something so inconsequential.

Here's the bottom of the page you linked to:

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See where it says, "the files and a memo on today's release are available on DNI.gov"? That DNI.gov link is the one that I posted, which brings you to this:

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I wasn't even trying to be snarky in my initial response to you in post 12, but thanks for confirming my statement about how you guys who are pushing this narrative aren't reading things carefully.

The bottom line is the link I posted goes to the press release, which links to the report and the memo. It gave a link to every relevant piece of information directly from the source.

You, OTOH, had posted absolutely nothing when you accused people of not "reading and parsing sources".

 

[BCP1928]

I greatly appreciate posts like this because it removes the facade that Democrats care about fair elections.

So what if it does? I don't really have a dog in this fight, being neither a Democrat nor a Republican, nor do I approve of either party, but I find the whole business confusing. The President has accused Obama of treason. OK, Obama is a big boy, and it's up to him to deal with it. The thing is, that the Trump administration is handling it like a PR campaign rather than a legal case. What's the end game? So they find Obama guilty of treason. What are they going to do next? Shoot him? Discredit his Hawaiian birth certificate and deport him to El Savador? Then what?

 

[probinson]

Russia did in fact target all 50 states voting systems. Including inside the data bases. With that, exactly what or who was saying they changed the vote tallies?

Why do you think that 67% of Democrats polled believed that Russia had tampered with vote tallies if no one was saying that?

 

[Say it aint so]

Why do you think that 67% of Democrats polled believe that Russia had tampered with vote tallies if no one was saying that?

It's your claim. You're saying the media convinced them of that by making that claim. I am asking who?

 

[probinson]

It should be obvious.

Enlighten me.

How do you feel about the 2020 election?

I don't believe there is any credible evidence of any of our presidential elections being tampered with.

 

[probinson]

It's your claim. You're saying the media convinced them of that by making that claim. I am asking who?

And I posted a video with a compilation of Democrats and media outlets talking about Russia hacking our elections. Hillary Clinton called the election a "cyber 9/11". I suppose you can claim that no one was making direct claims of vote tampering, but that's rather disingenuous, since the result of all of the claims of Russia "hacking" the election was that 67% of Democrats believing that Russia had tampered with vote tallies.

 

[probinson]

So what if it does? I don't really have a dog in this fight, being neither a Democrat nor a Republican, nor do I approve of either party,

We have that in common.

but I find the whole business confusing. The President has accused Obama of treason. OK, Obama is a big boy, and it's up to him to deal with it. The thing is, that the Trump administration is handling it like a PR campaign rather than a legal case. What's the end game? So they find Obama guilty of treason. What are they going to do next? Shoot him? Discredit his Hawaiian birth certificate and deport him to El Savador? Then what?

The motives of the GOP and Tump are irrelevant to me. What matters to me is what actually happened, and what actually happened is Democrats and the media tried to convince people that Russia "hacked" our elections despite no credible evidence.

 

[BCP1928]

We have that in common.



The motives of the GOP and Tump are irrelevant to me. What matters to me is what actually happened, and what actually happened is Democrats and the media tried to convince people that Russia "hacked" our elections despite no credible evidence.

OK, and the Republicans and their media tried to convince the American people that the Democrats had "hacked" the next election despite no credible evidence. Sounds like they're even. Now what?