ICE continues to arrest worst of the worst--one illegal with 21 criminal convictions

[Valletta]

Our brave law enforcement is facing an 830% increase in assaults against them and yet they continue to arrest violent criminals and drug traffickers every single day,” said Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin.

ICE Arrests Worst of Worst Criminal Illegal Aliens | Homeland Security

DHS highlighted U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers' arrests of the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from across the United States.

www.dhs.gov

This disastrous invasion, resulting in so many crimes, is due to leaders who thought they were above the laws of our nation.

 

[Bradskii]

This disastrous invasion, resulting in so many crimes, is due to leaders who thought they were above the laws of our nation.

I'm bemused by these threads. They seem to pop up with a monotonous regularity, as if they are reporting on something surprising or newsworthy. It has me beat. So law enforcement are arresting people involved with violence and drugs. Gee, hold the front page again.

Are you aware that there are well over one million arrests each year for drug related offences: Drug Related Crime Statistics [2023]: Offenses Involving Drug Use. And you can bet your last dollar that some of those arrested will be immigrants, undocumented or not. And that's despite immigrants being one of the most law abiding groups you'll find in the good ol' US of A.

Violent criminals? That would be well over a million again (after hitting a high of close to 2 million in the early nineties: Topic: Violent crime in the U.S.

So I think that any thread worth its weight in newsworthiness would be one in which law enforcement didn't arrest anyone. Or, as is becoming something of a regularity, arrest and deport people without due process.

This'll be my first and last post in this thread (and others like them). I'd hate to be accused of encouraging a waste of good bandwidth.

 

[Valletta]

I'm bemused by these threads. They seem to pop up with a monotonous regularity, as if they are reporting on something surprising or newsworthy. It has me beat. So law enforcement are arresting people involved with violence and drugs. Gee, hold the front page again.

Are you aware that there are well over one million arrests each year for drug related offences: Drug Related Crime Statistics [2023]: Offenses Involving Drug Use. And you can bet your last dollar that some of those arrested will be immigrants, undocumented or not. And that's despite immigrants being one of the most law abiding groups you'll find in the good ol' US of A.

Violent criminals? That would be well over a million again (after hitting a high of close to 2 million in the early nineties: Topic: Violent crime in the U.S.

So I think that any thread worth its weight in newsworthiness would be one in which law enforcement didn't arrest anyone. Or, as is becoming something of a regularity, arrest and deport people without due process.

This'll be my first and last post in this thread (and others like them). I'd hate to be accused of encouraging a waste of good bandwidth.

There has been a huge establishment/media blitz trying to fool the American people about the people who are being prioritized for deportation. Letting the public know that there are violent repeat offenders, offenders prioritized by Homeland Security, is a public service.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

There has been a huge establishment/media blitz trying to fool the American people about the people who are being prioritized for deportation.

Fool us how? Pointing out that over 70% of the people arrested so far have no criminal convictions is simply stating the facts.

Letting the public know that there are violent repeat offenders, offenders prioritized by Homeland Security, is a public service.

If they were being prioritized, I would expect more than 30% of those arrested to have criminal records. It's great that these people are being picked up. I think you'll have a tough time finding anyone who thinks that we shouldn't be deporting illegal immigrants who have been convicted of multiple violent felonies. It's the other 70% that are the issue here.

The current priority seems to be creating public spectacle in order to demonstrate that the administration is "doing something" about illegal immigration and rounding up as many people as possible for deportation. That doesn't preclude picking up a few of the people that were originally claimed to be the priority targets, but it does make it hard to claim that they're still the real priority.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Fool us how? Pointing out that over 70% of the people arrested so far have no criminal convictions is simply stating the facts.

If they were being prioritized, I would expect more than 30% of those arrested to have criminal records. It's great that these people are being picked up. I think you'll have a tough time finding anyone who thinks that we shouldn't be deporting illegal immigrants who have been convicted of multiple violent felonies. It's the other 70% that are the issue here.

The current priority seems to be creating public spectacle in order to demonstrate that the administration is "doing something" about illegal immigration and rounding up as many people as possible for deportation. That doesn't preclude picking up a few of the people that were originally claimed to be the priority targets, but it does make it hard to claim that they're still the real priority.

It reminds me of some of the programs that help poor people: "We can't feed the 99; one rich kid might scam a free meal."

I mean, priorities, AMIRITE

Also: Obligatory reference to Blackstone's Ratio

Reverse Blackstone: "We have to arrest the 70 in order to get the 30"

 

[Richard T]

There is a theory called "terror management theory" (TMT) "According to TMT, people need to insulate themselves from their deep fear of living an insignificant life destined to be erased by death. One path to address this fear is to assure themselves that they are part of an important group. This desire to reinforce cultural significance in the face of death often results in displays of prejudice based on the belief that the group with which one identifies is superior to others. In this way, people confirm their self-importance, at least to themselves." Terror Management Theory

My point here is that by keeping the immigrant "danger" high, the Trump administration pushes the buttons of some citizens and leads them into more of a cultural cocoon that yes, does make many of them more prejudicial. This should be quite disturbing to any Christian because the cocoon can allow policies and rights violations that are not consistent with Christian obligations of kindness, hospitality and warmth.

If one knows who they are in God, foreigners are an opportunity rather than a curse. Interestingly, the Mormons see illegals in this favorable light. Why are Mormons so different from most other Christians in this regard? Because they are being quite successful in their conversions of foreigners. I am sure there are other churches that might do well at this too, but it is hard to be both hostile toward the foreign born and win them to Christ at the same time. Is parading the foreign criminals hostile? I would say it is prejudicial if it is done in the absence of US citizen criminals. This is because it presents a distorted picture and leads more people into TMT. Immigration and LDS Proselytizing - Mormonism Research Ministry

For myself, criminals are bad no matter where they are from. There are millions of citizens in the USA with outstanding warrants, many of them violent. The same for illegals. I don't really concern myself with the residency status, though yes, it is great when they are no longer able to commit crime through deportation, incarceration, or even better rehabilitation.

We should all be wary though of targeting just immigrants, of scapegoating issues to those who seek a decent living. I am not saying any in this post are doing that but some in media and the church are.

 

[Valletta]

There is a theory called "terror management theory" (TMT) "According to TMT, people need to insulate themselves from their deep fear of living an insignificant life destined to be erased by death. One path to address this fear is to assure themselves that they are part of an important group. This desire to reinforce cultural significance in the face of death often results in displays of prejudice based on the belief that the group with which one identifies is superior to others. In this way, people confirm their self-importance, at least to themselves." Terror Management Theory

My point here is that by keeping the immigrant "danger" high, the Trump administration pushes the buttons of some citizens and leads them into more of a cultural cocoon that yes, does make many of them more prejudicial. This should be quite disturbing to any Christian because the cocoon can allow policies and rights violations that are not consistent with Christian obligations of kindness, hospitality and warmth.

If one knows who they are in God, foreigners are an opportunity rather than a curse. Interestingly, the Mormons see illegals in this favorable light. Why are Mormons so different from most other Christians in this regard? Because they are being quite successful in their conversions of foreigners. I am sure there are other churches that might do well at this too, but it is hard to be both hostile toward the foreign born and win them to Christ at the same time. Is parading the foreign criminals hostile? I would say it is prejudicial if it is done in the absence of US citizen criminals. This is because it presents a distorted picture and leads more people into TMT. Immigration and LDS Proselytizing - Mormonism Research Ministry

For myself, criminals are bad no matter where they are from. There are millions of citizens in the USA with outstanding warrants, many of them violent. The same for illegals. I don't really concern myself with the residency status, though yes, it is great when they are no longer able to commit crime through deportation, incarceration, or even better rehabilitation.

We should all be wary though of targeting just immigrants, of scapegoating issues to those who seek a decent living. I am not saying any in this post are doing that but some in media and the church are.

The problem is not the Trump administration "leading" people or "pushing buttons." Although outspent by Kamala by a margin of 2 to 1, and with the majority of the media spinning a negative view of Trump on immigration and woke discriminatory policies, the American people voted in Trump because of his stated policies. The Democrats had lied to the American people, claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed, while in reality people were entering out country at record rates and human trafficking rose to a level not seen here since the Civil War. No Christian should have supported this.

 

[Belk]

The problem is not the Trump administration "leading" people or "pushing buttons." Although outspent by Kamala by a margin of 2 to 1, and with the majority of the media spinning a negative view of Trump on immigration and woke discriminatory policies, the American people voted in Trump because of his stated policies. The Democrats had lied to the American people, claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed, while in reality people were entering out country at record rates and human trafficking rose to a level not seen here since the Civil War. No Christian should have supported this.

Remind us how happy people are with how Trump is dealing with immigration.

 

[Valletta]

Remind us how happy people are with how Trump is dealing with immigration.

It's a difficult time with assaults on ICE up 800% and a lack of cooperation in many blue areas. Trump now has a higher approval rating than Obama and Bush did at this time in their second terms.

 

[Belk]

Overall Trump now has a higher approval rating than Obama and Bush did at this time in their second terms.

I didn't ask about his approval. I asked how happy they are with his immigration policies.

 

[Valletta]

I didn't ask about his approval. I asked how happy they are with his immigration policies.

I can't speak for others but I'm happy.