Speaker Johnson girds for another House GOP fight on government spending; plans to pass appropriations bills for 2025 by August

[essentialsaltes]

Furthermore, the House GOP has to fix the debt limit before Trump takes office. It's not clear what fixing it means in Trump's eyes. I presume it means lifting the ceiling so high, even Trump's profligate spending won't get near it. Or better yet, just eliminating it or continuing to suspend it for 4 years.

Yup.

The president-elect called for a CR that preserves certain items that Johnson supports — such as aid for farmers and disaster relief spending — but strips out Democratic priorities and pairs it with a suspension of the debt limit, which caps the amount the federal government can borrow to pay its bills. The current suspension is set to expire early in Trump’s term next year, under a bipartisan 2023 deal.

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As I understand it, given the timeframe, any potential budget will need to have a 2/3rds vote. This will require Democrats to vote for it. So stripping out Democratic priorities and giving Trump a fresh new credit card to rack up spending on is just not going to fly. The House Democrats should not vote for it. If somehow they do, Biden should veto it: "You want no responsible limits on your spending, Donald? Then you can sign that into law yourself. I'm going to nip this malarkey right in the bud. Where's my veto pen?"

 

[Nithavela]

And just like that, the party of fiscal responsibility wants to eliminate all limits on their spending.

If the democratic party supports ANYTHING republican in the next 4 years, their voters should riot.

Personally I think that if congress can't pass a spending bill to avoid a government shutdown, they should be locked in until they have it hashed out. If they can't get it done in 24 hours, cancel their bathroom break priviliges.

 

[wing2000]

As I understand it, given the timeframe, any potential budget will need to have a 2/3rds vote. This will require Democrats to vote for it. So stripping out Democratic priorities and giving Trump a fresh new credit card to rack up spending on is just not going to fly. The House Democrats should not vote for it. If somehow they do, Biden should veto it: "You want no responsible limits on your spending, Donald? Then you can sign that into law yourself. I'm going to nip this malarkey right in the bud. Where's my veto pen?"

Yes, the reality is Speaker Johnson will need the Democrats' vote, even more so in next year's Congress.....

 

[Nithavela]

After giving this some thought, I say, let's keep the government unfunded until the midterms.

 

[Arcangl86]

Honestly, I actually find myself in partial agreement with Trump over this. The debt limit needs to go. It serves no legitimate purpose but is instead constantly used by the Republicans to try and strongarm the Democrats into going along with their priorities.

ETA: That being said, the new spending deal that republicans decided upon without including Democrats in the negotiations doesn't really have a chance of passing.

 

[essentialsaltes]

• May 23, 2024

Johnson and his leadership team officially announced during a GOP conference meeting Wednesday an ambitious timeline to pass as many of the 12 government spending measures for fiscal year 2025 — otherwise known as appropriations bills — as possible in the coming months. He wants to do so before lawmakers spend August campaigning in their districts, according to multiple people in attendance who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss off-the-record meetings.

I certainly applaud the effort to have a budget done before the new fiscal year starts in October. Let's see how it goes.

Since we have some newer threads on the Republican inability to pass a budget, I will probably abandon this thread, but just as a helpful review:

The Republican House leaders set a goal in May of having a budget (implementing their conservative wishlist) done by August to cover the government through next September.

With their majority, their accomplishment over the past seven months has been to continue spending at current levels to today. Now, it looks like either a shutdown or (at best) another short continuation of current spending PLUS some additional spending.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The [failed] stopgap funding bill ... approves a pair of local priorities, clearing the way for the District of Columbia to take over land so it can negotiate with the NFL’s Washington Commanders for a possible stadium

Although this was not in the successful budget can-kick, Congress also did this late Friday/early Saturday

Congress passes RFK bill in surprise move, giving D.C. control of stadium site​

Passage of the legislation, which transfers the land to D.C. at no cost, is a tremendous win for Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D), who has long sought to redevelop the site.

The U.S. Senate passed the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium Campus Revitalization Act by unanimous consent at about 1:15 a.m. Saturday — a Hail Mary action [I see what you did there] that required the support of all senators present without objection.

The bill, which must still be signed by the president, will allow Bowser to formally negotiate with the Commanders — a possibility sure to excite the city’s football fans, who have not seen a home game in Washington since 1996.

The bill’s passage was highly unanticipated: Just hours earlier, the RFK legislation was excluded from a spending bill that the House passed to avert a government shutdown, seen by most as the only remaining avenue for the bill before Congress adjourned.

The bill prohibits the use of federal funds to construct a stadium, [but Musk was not above misinforming people on this point when he attacked the previous budget agreement]

 

[essentialsaltes]

Congress passes RFK bill in surprise move, giving D.C. control of stadium site
Passage of the legislation, which transfers the land to D.C. at no cost, is a tremendous win for Mayor Muriel E. Bowser (D), who has long sought to redevelop the site.
The U.S. Senate passed the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium Campus Revitalization Act by unanimous consent at about 1:15 a.m. Saturday — a Hail Mary action [I see what you did there] that required the support of all senators present without objection.

Trump threatens stadium deal if Washington Commanders don’t change name back​

“I may put a restriction on them that if they don’t change the name back to the original ‘Washington Redskins,’ and get rid of the ridiculous moniker, ‘Washington Commanders,’ I won’t make a deal for them to build a Stadium in Washington,” Trump said on his social media site.

[He also wants Cleveland's baseball team to revert to its former name.]

Small government! Free enterprise! Do what the Boss says or you won't like the consequences!

 

[Pommer]

Trump threatens stadium deal if Washington Commanders don’t change name back​

“I may put a restriction on them that if they don’t change the name back to the original ‘Washington Redskins,’ and get rid of the ridiculous moniker, ‘Washington Commanders,’ I won’t make a deal for them to build a Stadium in Washington,” Trump said on his social media site.

[He also wants Cleveland's baseball team to revert to its former name.]

Small government! Free enterprise! Do what the Boss says or you won't like the consequences!

Who does His Majesty think he is?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Who does His Majesty think he is?

King of the USFL, Earl of Eastern Airlines, Chancellor of Trump University, Lord of Taj Mahal, Count of Monte Cristo, John Carter of Mars. (Sorry that last one was M., Elon.)

 

[essentialsaltes]

Who does His Majesty think he is?

I mean, I'd be tempted to force Grape Nuts to change its name to Gravel Bits. But this really isn't a power of the executive granted in the constitution.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I mean, I'd be tempted to force Grape Nuts to change its name to Gravel Bits. But this really isn't a power of the executive granted in the constitution.

I tried Grape-Nuts once as a kid. To my immense dissatisfaction, they tasted like neither grapes nor nuts. "Gravel Bits" definitely sounds more appropriate - I fully back this motion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I tried Grape-Nuts once as a kid. To my immense dissatisfaction, they tasted like neither grapes nor nuts. "Gravel Bits" definitely sounds more appropriate - I fully back this motion.

I kind of like then, but...

They need to soak in milk a few minutes, but not until soggy. They were the only cereal we were permitted to add a sprinkle of sugar to. Though it has been a while, I do like them as a "topping" to other cereals to give the a bit more interest.

 

[Pommer]

King of the USFL, Earl of Eastern Airlines, Chancellor of Trump University, Lord of Taj Mahal, Count of Monte Cristo, John Carter of Mars. (Sorry that last one was M., Elon.)

Duke Admiral of the Gulf of America?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump threatens stadium deal if Washington Commanders don’t change name back​

“I may put a restriction on them that if they don’t change the name back to the original ‘Washington Redskins,’ and get rid of the ridiculous moniker, ‘Washington Commanders,’

And in the "There's always a tweet" files:

 

[Pommer]

And in the "There's always a tweet" files:

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He seems flexible in his views, that’s gud rite?

 

[essentialsaltes]

He seems flexible in his views, that’s gud rite?

It's important to be able to see take both sides of an issue.

 

[Hans Blaster]

He seems flexible in his views, that’s gud rite?

About what Presidents spend time on, yes; about the name of the Washington NFL franchise, no, he still wants the extremely offensive name to be used.

 

[Always in His Presence]

What does a stadium deal in 2025. Have to do with a budget from 2024?

 

[Hans Blaster]

What does a stadium deal in 2025. Have to do with a budget from 2024?

As noted in post #27, a land transfer for the stadium was a bill passed right after the budget bill passed. (As I recall, it was at one point part of the budget itself, but didn't make it.)