Christians respond to tech CEO’s exposure for apparent adultery at Coldplay concert: ‘A sobering reminder’

[2PhiloVoid]

I consider being compared to an American and insult. Please refrain from doing so.

I didn't say that you were doing this did I? No, I didn't. I simply cited it as a non-negotiable that I don't agree with, just so you know what my criterion is.

Examples of shaming public figures? John the Baptist shamed Herod for taking his brother's wife, was he wrong? Our Lord regularly shamed the Pharisees. Paul even shamed a fellow Christian for a sexual relationship with his mother in law. Were all these wrong? Should they have been kinder?

You didn't read what I said. You're just scanning. .......... let's recap what I asked earlier back up in post #23 "Where in the New Testament are we commanded or directed to "publicly shame" those who are among the typically sinful type of non-Christian?"

You're example of Herod, or the Pharisees is not analogous to the example given in the OP. Comparing two examples from an ancient nation where cultural identity and national identity are nearly synonymous with the example of two Americans who "got caught" isn't parallel in structure. In America, being an American is not synonymous with "being a Christian" or being a person who "should know better."

So, with this being the case, do you have any other examples? Personally, I'm thinking about the examples of the sinful woman in the Gospel of Luke and the traditional story of the adulterous woman we find in the Gospel of John.

I think criticizing an affair an rightfully inculcating shame in this couple isn't about kicking ass. It is about letting them feel the consequence of their sin. Should there be no social consequences for sin?

I find it problematic that the impetus in the modern psyche is looking so intently to "find sin in the crowd"............ especially when both Jesus and Paul imply that we ALL need to be careful in citing other people's sins, not only because we might not know about all of the psychological, social or other personal problems that may be involved in actions of moral impropriety, but also because we're all sinners.

No, what I see going on in the OP's example is a case of personal bitterness and invective that, by citing other people's sins in public, seeks to advance and somehow show how much more righteous we "are"; this is a problem for the reasons that Jesus and Paul tell us this is a problem.

Except when Jesus did judge and use harsh language not only with his Apostles but outsiders and Jewish authorities. Our Lord was not above making others feel bad for their sins.

I think you and I use different hermeneutical approaches to reading, understanding and applying the Bible.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I didn't say that you were doing this did I? No, I didn't. I simply cited it as a non-negotiable that I don't agree with, just so you know what my criterion is.

You didn't read what I said. You're just scanning. .......... let's recap what I asked earlier back up in post #23 "Where in the New Testament are we commanded or directed to "publicly shame" those who are among the typically sinful type of non-Christian?"

You're example of Herod, or the Pharisees is not analogous to the example given in the OP. Comparing two examples from an ancient nation where cultural identity and national identity are nearly synonymous with the example of two Americans who "got caught" isn't parallel in structure. In America, being an American is not synonymous with "being a Christian" or being a person who "should know better."

So, with this being the case, do you have any other examples? Personally, I'm thinking about the examples of the sinful woman in the Gospel of Luke and the traditional story of the adulterous woman we find in the Gospel of John.

I find it problematic that the impetus in the modern psyche is looking so intently to "find sin in the crowd"............ especially when both Jesus and Paul imply that we ALL need to be careful in citing other people's sins, not only because we might not know about all of the psychological, social or other personal problems that may be involved in actions of moral impropriety, but also because we're all sinners.

No, what I see going on in the OP's example is a case of personal bitterness and invective that, by citing other people's sins in public, seeks to advance and somehow show how much more righteous we "are"; this is a problem for the reasons that Jesus and Paul tell us this is a problem.


I think you and I use different hermeneutical approaches to reading, understanding and applying the Bible.

If you want to defend adultery that's your right as an American I guess.

 

[Michie]

If you want to defend adultery that's your right as an American I guess.

I think adultery is pretty universal.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I think adultery is pretty universal.

Evidently it can't be shamed either.

 

[Michie]

Evidently it can't be shamed either.

I don’t think there is a need for shame. They’ve already been publicly shamed by being caught. There is no reason to get out the red paint and put a capital A on their forehead. Of course there will be disapproval and comments when it’s been publicized but shaming someone blatantly after all that seems a bit of overkill. The Church should be open to that person’s repentance. Little chance of that if we do not leave the doors open to help guide them back on the right path.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I don’t think there is a need for shame. They’ve already been publicly shamed by being caught. There is no reason to get out the red paint and put a capital A on their forehead. Of course there will be disapproval and comments when it’s been publicized but shaming someone blatantly after all that seems a bit of overkill. The Church should be open to that person’s repentance. Little chance of that if we do not leave the doors open to help guide them back on the right path.

Would you feel the same way towards a pedophile?

 

[Michie]

Would you feel the same way towards a pedophile?

Nope. I’d want justice done. It’s a crime.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Nope. I’d want justice done. It’s a crime.

You wouldn't seek to be compassionate, welcome them to church and offer grace and understanding to them?

 

[Michie]

You wouldn't seek to be compassionate, welcome them to church and offer grace and understanding to them?

It did not involve two consenting adults. It’s not a comparable situation. A pedophile is loved by God as well and is free to repent but given the situation it will most likely be in a prison ministry. Do I want a pedophile in my Church? Not particularly. Just being honest. I’m off to bed.

 

[Bob Crowley]

Matthew 7:1 NIV “Do not judge, or you too will be judged."

We all make mistakes, and sometimes stupid mistakes. The two people who were caught on screen are going to have enough to deal with, along with their families, without everybody else piling on their own vindictive comments.

If they're going to be judged, so will we by our own reaction.

Matthew 12:36 NIV "But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken."

I don't think I'd like to be in the shoes of some radio shock jocks or internet trolls.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It did not involve two consenting adults. It’s not a comparable situation. A pedophile is loved by God as well and is free to repent but given the situation it will most likely be in a prison ministry. Do I want a pedophile in my Church? Not particularly. Just being honest. I’m off to bed.

So we can limit Christian love and acceptance to certain sinners? But not others?

 

[RileyG]

You think they should be shamed? Interesting. Please, say more.

What wrong with shaming others for doing wrong? Not everything is sunshine and roses.

 

[RileyG]

Evidently it can't be shamed either.

What’s wrong with shaming others when they clearly did something wrong?

 

[public hermit]

What wrong with shaming others for doing wrong? Not everything is sunshine and roses.

This isn't about "everything." This about the OP. I've already stated my thoughts on this situation twice.

 

[RileyG]

This isn't about "everything." This about the OP. I've already stated my thoughts on this situation twice.

Ope! My fault!

Peace

 

[Michie]

Why did Astronomer’s CEO have to resign over his affair?​

I need you to help me out with something. I’m a little confused about this Astronomer-married-CEO-caught-with-his-girlfriend thing.

Unless you’ve gone dark on all news and social media, you’ve seen that the CEO (Andy Byron) of an artificial intelligence company called Astronomer and his head of human resources (Kristin Cabot) were awkwardly nabbed on camera at a Coldplay concert in a way that showed they weren’t two platonic work colleagues out on the town. Now, after getting Board of Directors pressure, Byron has resigned over being caught with his girlfriend/mistress, which is really puzzling to me.

So, he was caught red-handed in an adulterous affair. So what?

This is 2025, folks. Our culture is clear in its standard that what two consenting adults do outside of work is A-OK, and that no corporate lifestyle dictates or anything else should trump sexual self-expression. It’s who they are and who are we, or the Astronomer’s Board, to say that their relationship is wrong?

Don’t they remember the whole Bill Clinton Monica Lewinsky thing back in the mid-1990s? Even though a 1998 Gallup poll showed that over 70% of Americans disapproved of Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky, his job approval ratings stayed strong and even increased, beginning at around 60%, and rising to nearly 70% during the height of the scandal. When pushed as to why they still supported Clinton as president, Americans said they separated Clinton’s personal morality from his job performance — they believed he had done a good job with the economy and governance, and that his private life was not their concern.

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Why did Astronomer’s CEO have to resign over his affair?

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