Barack Obama suggests men need gay friends to learn 'empathy and kindness'

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

What is wrong with them wanting to be accepted as just people. Most don't have some evil agenda to make children turn gay.

So many kids have problems adjusting as they grow. Many don't understand what they are feeling. Most fight it, hide it and some commit suicide.

Our kids need our help.

I'd say promoting a lifestyle which is contra Christian values is always wrong. Do you believe in normalizing LGBT within society despite it being contrary to the values of our faith? Why?

 

[Yarddog]

I'd say promoting a lifestyle which is contra Christian values is always wrong. Do you believe in normalizing LGBT within society despite it being contrary to the values of our faith? Why?

Christians accept sinners all the time. Many Christians lives unacceptable lifestyles with no retribution from their church.

I know several gays that are very active in their churches. I have family members from the LGBTQ community. They, for the most part, are no different than anyone else.

I am saved, not from what I have done but from what Jesus Christ did. Jesus forgave me and I choose to do the same to others.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Christians accept sinners all the time. Many Christians lives unacceptable lifestyles with no retribution from their church.

Do we then allow our children to be propagandized into accepting sin as good and not sinful?

I know several gays that are very active in their churches. I have family members from the LGBTQ community. They, for the most part, are no different than anyone else.

Except their relationship is contrary to God. Do you affirm LGBT as good?

I am saved, not from what I have done but from what Jesus Christ did. Jesus forgave me and I choose to do the same to others.

We are all saved due to the grace of Christ. Does that mean we should promote sin?

 

[Yarddog]

Do we then allow our children to be propagandized into accepting sin as good and not sinful?

How many children in our churches are victims of split marriages. I've never seen anyone condemn this in the churches. What do these children grow up to be?

Some churches have active white supremacists in their flock. Their children face horrible sins in their homes but few people condemn that. The same in churches with black racist in them.

Except their relationship is contrary to God. Do you affirm LGBT as good?

No, but it is real. It isn't their fault. A compassionate Christian is what God called us to be and many gays do that.

We are all saved due to the grace of Christ. Does that mean we should promote sin?

Are you sinless with Jesus? If you sin,you are promoting it in some manner.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

How many children in our churches are victims of split marriages. I've never seen anyone condemn this in the churches. What do these children grow up to be?

So you're suggesting we promote divorce to children? Like you're suggesting we promote LGBT?

Some churches have active white supremacists in their flock. Their children face horrible sins in their homes but few people condemn that. The same in churches with black racist in them.

Alright and? Are you suggesting it's okay to promote White supremacy as well as LGBT?

No, but it is real. It isn't their fault. A compassionate Christian is what God called us to be and many gays do that.

Are you sinless with Jesus? If you sin,you are promoting it in some manner.

I am the worst of sinners but how does any of this justify the promotion LGBT?

 

[Yarddog]

So you're suggesting we promote divorce to children?

Are you suggesting that we promote homosexuality by being kind to gays?

Like you're suggesting we promote LGBT?

I never hinted at promoting the LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

Alright and? Are you suggesting it's okay to promote White supremacy as well as LGBT?

No, I'm saying that we shouldn't be hypocritical by picking and choosing which sins are to be condemned.

I am the worst of sinners but how does any of this justify the promotion LGBT?

Well, by sinning, aren't you promoting those sins, using your approach.

 

[ralliann]

I wouldn't say that people need a gay friend but we all need to communicate with those that are different so that we can understand that we are mostly the same.

Having children works to this end. Don't need gays for this..

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Are you suggesting that we promote homosexuality by being kind to gays?

But that's not what is being promoted. Social acceptance and normalization is what is being promoted by LGBT groups. The idea of such relationships being sinful (which they are) is antithetical to that program.

I never hinted at promoting the LGBTQ COMMUNITY.

So you agree with me we shouldn't normalize sin?

No, I'm saying that we shouldn't be hypocritical by picking and choosing which sins are to be condemned.

We're not picking and choosing. :/ The idea that blacks or whites are inherently superior is as wrong as LGBT. Do you agree?

Well, by sinning, aren't you promoting those sins, using your approach.

I guess. But I'm not saying those actions aren't sinful or not worthy of shame now am I?

 

[RileyG]

They said the quiet part out loud

It’s so creepy. Yet they wonder why so many people are sick of hearing about it. It’s their own fault. (Some, not all).

 

[PloverWing]

Or traditional Latin Mass participants.

Somewhat off topic, but please educate this poor Protestant.

The point @Tuur made about having MAGA friends is a good one. It's helpful to have friends who vote differently from the way I do, because it helps me see them as people and not just as political slogans.

But I thought the Latin Mass was just about preferring to worship in Latin -- much as some people in other traditions worship in Slavonic, say, or Hebrew. What ethical or political viewpoints are bundled in with wanting to worship in Latin instead of one's native language?

 

[RileyG]

Somewhat off topic, but please educate this poor Protestant.

The point @Tuur made about having MAGA friends is a good one. It's helpful to have friends who vote differently from the way I do, because it helps me see them as people and not just as political slogans.

But I thought the Latin Mass was just about preferring to worship in Latin -- much as some people in other traditions worship in Slavonic, say, or Hebrew. What ethical or political viewpoints are bundled in with wanting to worship in Latin instead of one's native language?

Those who attend the traditional Latin Mass, especially exclusively, tend to be very conservative. If that makes any sense.

 

[Tuur]

Somewhat off topic, but please educate this poor Protestant.

The point @Tuur made about having MAGA friends is a good one. It's helpful to have friends who vote differently from the way I do, because it helps me see them as people and not just as political slogans.

But I thought the Latin Mass was just about preferring to worship in Latin -- much as some people in other traditions worship in Slavonic, say, or Hebrew. What ethical or political viewpoints are bundled in with wanting to worship in Latin instead of one's native language?

I'm not a Catholic, but I think I can illustrate with a couple of secular names. The first is "Chevrolet" and the second is "Ford." And the feelings about both can run high at times.

 

[Yarddog]

So you agree with me we shouldn't normalize sin?

Yes, we should treat all that have sin exactly the same.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Yes, we should treat all that have sin exactly the same.

What do you mean? Should we be affirming and accepting of all sin?

 

[PloverWing]

Those who attend the traditional Latin Mass, especially exclusively, tend to be very conservative. If that makes any sense.

Thanks, that helps.

 

[Yarddog]

What do you mean? Should we be affirming and accepting of all sin?

What affirms sin?

 

[BPPLEE]

What affirms sin?

Accepting it.

 

[Yarddog]

Accepting it.

Who has said to accept sin?

 

[RileyG]

Thanks, that helps.

You’re welcome

 

[HIM]

He should say less. One of the biggest issues that has caused sexual perversion to get such a stronghold on our country is the acceptance of it and the perpetrators. Another reason and maybe the main reason is the way our society has been promoting it through the media the last 75+ years