Should Christians Condemn People?

[SavedByGrace3]

"We cannot help how people receive the message."

Of course you can help how people receive a message. By your delivery, intention, style, and character.

"People are saved by faith and faith requires hearing."

No, we are not saved by faith. We're saved by Jesus' blood which is an act of grace. For all the people that are deaf, how are they saved?

Again... I do not think you are hearing what people are saying.
Peace.

 

[timothyu]

Is that the only thing a Christian should do? Is criticize?

This is not what is meant. It is not criticism to point out that mankind is backwards in our ways, totally into selfishness rather than loving all as self as prescribed. People have to be totally clued out if they can't see the root of all problems in this world are based on self-interest.

 

[Skipper80]

@SavedByGrace3

"If I see you murder someone I can draw a logical conclusion."

So your logical conclusion is that murderers can't be saved. Really? God refuses to forgive murderers? What is the only unforgivable sin? If someone commits murder, is it possible to repent of that sin? But it'd be in vain because that person already sealed their fate, right?

"Are you suggesting we "stop seeing" the evidence of your condemnation so you will not be offended?"

My condemnation of what to who? You have evidence I condemned someone to Hell?

"Or are you suggesting that we stop reading what the scripture says, which is the real source of the condemnation?"

No, one should read the Bible that does not say humans are to condemn people to Hell.

"Is the ultimate act of love to just ignore the whole thing and merrily watch you plumet into the fire, saying nothing, just so you will not.be offended by what any logical person would conclude is a very dangerous end?"

Is the only way to spread the Message is to tell people "if you don't follow the rules you will go to Hell"? That is an implication of condemnation which is still condemnation.

"The Titanic is sinking. Shhhhh.... don't tell the passengers lest they be offended by that "sinking" feeling."

Dude, you need to get off the boat. We hit a gnarly iceberg a little while back.

 

[Skipper80]

This is not what is meant. It is not criticism to point out that mankind is backwards in our ways, totally into selfishness rather than loving all as self as prescribed. People have to be totally clued out if they can't see the root of all problems in this world are based on self-interest.

"It is not criticism to point out that mankind is backwards in our ways, totally into selfishness rather than loving all as self as prescribed."

Is that not a critique of the behavior and nature of mankind?

"People have to be totally clued out if they can't see the root of all problems in this world are based on self-interest."

The statement above is a critique of people.

 

[timothyu]

The statement above is a critique of people.

The same as God made of us. He gave the solution. Critique is not criticism btw.

 

[Skipper80]

The same as God made of us. He gave the solution. Critique is not criticism btw.

How are "criticism" and "critique" different functionally?

"The same as God made of us."

So you agree it is criticism.

 

[Skipper80]

Again... I do not think you are hearing what people are saying.
Peace.

Well no I have been reading your replies. If you have a counter against my argument, please share @SavedByGrace3

 

[SavedByGrace3]

@SavedByGrace3

"If I see you murder someone I can draw a logical conclusion."

So your logical conclusion is that murderers can't be saved. Really? God refuses to forgive murderers? What is the only unforgivable sin? If someone commits murder, is it possible to repent of that sin? But it'd be in vain because that person already sealed their fate, right?

"Are you suggesting we "stop seeing" the evidence of your condemnation so you will not be offended?"

My condemnation of what to who? You have evidence I condemned someone to Hell?

"Or are you suggesting that we stop reading what the scripture says, which is the real source of the condemnation?"

No, one should read the Bible that does not say humans are to condemn people to Hell.

"Is the ultimate act of love to just ignore the whole thing and merrily watch you plumet into the fire, saying nothing, just so you will not.be offended by what any logical person would conclude is a very dangerous end?"

Is the only way to spread the Message is to tell people "if you don't follow the rules you will go to Hell"? That is an implication of condemnation which is still condemnation.

"The Titanic is sinking. Shhhhh.... don't tell the passengers lest they be offended by that "sinking" feeling."

Dude, you need to get off the boat. We hit a gnarly iceberg a little while back.

"So your logical conclusion is that murderers can't be saved. Really? God refuses to forgive murderers? What is the only unforgivable sin? If someone commits murder, is it possible to repent of that sin? But it'd be in vain because that person already sealed their fate, right?"

I am not sure where you got this from what I wrote. You are either not actually reading what I am writing, or maybe you are talking to someone else in your past that has no relation to this conversation. Of course they can be saved but they have to know that murder is a sin and hear the gospel first. They do not just "poof" and become saved.
I think this thread is going nowhere... peace!

 

[RDKirk]

Is that the only thing a Christian should do? Is criticize?

Your question was not "List everything a Christian should do."

 

[RDKirk]

Should Christians condemn people to Hell?

After answering, explain why

No. First, human beings do not have the power to assign anyone to Hell.

Second, that's not our mission. Our mission is to continue the work of Jesus in this world. What was His work?

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved." — John 3
"And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world." John 12

That's what Jesus came to do. So, what should the Church do?

"As my Father hath sent me, even so send I you." — John 20
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation... Now then we are ambassadors for Christ..." — 2 Corinthians 5

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Well no I have been reading your replies. If you have a counter against my argument, please share @SavedByGrace3

Your argument was, "Should Christians condemn people to Hell?" It is not really an argument. It is a false accusation based on a false premise. It is like saying, "Should Christians swim on the surface of the sun?" Well, no. Even if they could, they should not, and at this point, they cannot.
The response is very simple. They do not and cannot condemn anyone to hell. They are just pointing out certain obvious observations. The condemnation is there already. Christians did not do it. They are just issuing the warning and supplying the solution. I am not sure there is a clearer answer than that.

 

[RDKirk]

It's not bizarre. Some people do think it is okay for Christians to do this sort of thing, and I would like to hear explanations for why

I've never heard any Christian say that a Christian has the power or role to condemn anyone to Hell.

 

[RDKirk]

Intention and style of the message is important for the receiver. A message can be conveyed too harshly and with too much condescending judgment which can make the receiver take it too personally and not take in the Grace of the message at all. If a person does not receive the message well of condemnation of evil, it could be because its delivery was ineffective.

Therefore, if the receiver interprets a message to be condemnation of the self and not the sin there may have been a mistake in the messenger's delivery.

There's a mistake in your delivery.

If that's the point you intended to make, you should have opened the thread making that point.

 

[trophy33]

Should Christians condemn people to Hell?

What is this even supposed to mean? How can you condemn somebody to hell (small "h")?

And even if it were possible, then what would be our motivation? We are all living in mercy, daily. As we have been forgiven everything, we wish others also to do well and to be forgiven everything.

 

[Skipper80]

Your question was not "List everything a Christian should do."

This is what timothyu said "It is the duty of a Christian to point out how the ways of man run contrary to the will of the Father, the true Way." That is emphasizing criticizing other people, and it was the only marker he gave for what a Christian should do.

 

[Skipper80]

What is this even supposed to mean? How can you condemn somebody to hell (small "h")?

One can condemn someone by saying to another: "You are going to Hell."

That is a way to do it.

 

[Skipper80]

There's a mistake in your delivery.

If that's the point you intended to make, you should have opened the thread making that point.

What is the mistake in my delivery?

 

[RDKirk]

This is what timothyu said "It is the duty of a Christian to point out how the ways of man run contrary to the will of the Father, the true Way." That is emphasizing criticizing other people, and it was the only marker he gave for what a Christian should do.

Criticism is part of what a Christian should do, but it's not all a Christian should do.

Criticism does not send anyone to hell, however.

 

[RDKirk]

What is the mistake in my delivery?

You had a point to make, but started off with a disingenuous question.
That's a mistake in delivery which caused several unnecessary tangential debates.
Unless confusion and obfuscation was your intent.

 

[trophy33]

One can condemn someone by saying to another: "You are going to Hell."

That is a way to do it.

Such strong words do not belong to common Christians, I think. Could Jesus say it? Sure. The apostles? Eeeeeh, maybe. We? No, we are too small for that.