The Hispanic Vote

[Fantine]

Thanks for asking. Now his words in all their hideous hateful inhumanity are readily available to everyone here.

 

[Chesterton]

Thank you. So he didn't say what you said he said. You said what Dana Bash tried to imply. His only mention of physical appearance was about someone who has MS-13 tattoos on their face. And he's correct on the law.

 

[Say it aint so]

I don't care what country an illegal immigrant is from. If that immigrant is NOT here legally, then that immigrant does NOT have the right to stay in the USA. Follow the laws and obey our laws. It really is as simple as that. Meanwhile, illegal immigrants "jump the line" and get access to benefits and stuff ahead of people who immigrated here to America legally.

Some of those folks were literally going to their immigration process hearings (aka the legal way) and were nabbed and kicked out simply because they had no completed that process yet.

 

[Fantine]

Could you please explain why you consider it surprising that 48% of Hispanic voters supported President Trump?

Hispanic voters, similar to all American constituencies, do not represent a single, unified political bloc. Contrary to certain assertions, their priorities encompass a broad range of issues that go well beyond matters such as immigration policy or the legal status of undocumented individuals.

Studies indicate that Hispanic voters in the United States tend to hold more socially and economically conservative views compared to white Americans. Additionally, research suggests that, aside from European immigrants, many immigrant groups in the U.S. often have conservative perspectives.

Today, Democrats largely retain the minority vote due to the harsh rhetoric from the current Republican Party. If Republicans used a tone similar to that of George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, 70% of immigrants might support the GOP.

by the way, In the early 19th and 20th century, Irish immigrants in the United States expressed resistance toward the arrival of Italian or Scandinavian immigrants. This pattern reflects a recurring theme in human history: individuals who have migrated for better opportunities may not always support similar migration by others.

Sending their friends, relatives, Neighbors, and countrymen to Alligator Alcatraz is a lot more than rhetoric. It is a violation of Human Rights and God's law. Most immigrants from the global South are very familiar with God's law and are well aware that the Trump Administration violates it in every conceivable way daily.

 

[Fantine]

Thank you. So he didn't say what you said he said. You said what Dana Bash tried to imply. His only mention of physical appearance was about someone who has MS-13 tattoos on their face. And he's correct on the law.

The courts said he was incorrect, and he, who took an oath to uphold the Constitution, just showed who the real lawbreakers in this country are. They have been gathered to dismantle our democracy. They are the lawbreakers.

 

[Always in His Presence]

And so if they are apprehended, detained, disrespected, stopped and frisked or stopped while driving while Hispanic that doesn't bother you?
It doesn't bother Tom Homan. Your looks entitle you to.harassment and false arrests.

Take a close look at my picture - yeah, that is me.

I have NEVER - nor anyone I know that looks like me, and there are hundreds - have experienced what you are complaining about.

The more that is posted, the more the complete lack of reality is exposed.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The courts said he was incorrect, and he, who took an oath to uphold the Constitution, just showed who the real lawbreakers in this country are. They have been gathered to dismantle our democracy. They are the lawbreakers.

The highest court in the land said he was within his authority and is in fact upholding the constitution -

 

[Fantine]

This is a more recent decision from California. And I had not heard that the Supreme Court had issued any decisions that would leave them with blood on their hands yet.

 

[Always in His Presence]

This is a more recent decision from California. And I had not heard that the Supreme Court had issued any decisions that would leave them with blood on their hands yet.

Blood on their hands!

WHO is killing whom?

 

[Vambram]

A thoughtful post. Sending 4,000 armed soldiers, unwanted and uninvited to Los Angeles where they storm through parks where children play; approved building facilities in alligator infested swamps that would not pass muster as animal shelters in the ASPCA; snatching teens out of high school; sending masked men who do not identify themselves to apprehend people; deporting refugees from terror who have been granted protection from us because a hard-hearted leader changes his mind will never be accepted by all. Our religious leaders all over the country are calling this out for what it is and for those of us for whom Jesus is our North Star, we will never approve.

The hyperbole of what you are suggesting of actually happening really did not happen. However, the majority of the American voters in 31 states voted in President Donald Trump with one of the top priorities being the deportation of immigrants who are NOT legal here in the USA.

 

[Vambram]

Thanks for asking. Now his words in all their hideous hateful inhumanity are readily available to everyone here.

Nothing hideous OR hateful there.

 

[Vambram]

Some of those folks were literally going to their immigration process hearings (aka the legal way) and were nabbed and kicked out simply because they had no completed that process yet.

Please provide proof of that happening. Thank you.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Unbelievably, 48% of Hispanic voters supported Trump in the 2024 election.

It's actually quite believable when you consider that they're overwhelmingly Catholic, and have views on some of the social issues that are not inline with the Democratic party.

Months later, only 35% approve of him. While I am sorry that this dawning of awareness did not happen earlier, I understand it completely.

Approval ratings and "who would you vote for if given these two choices" are two totally different things.

For instance, there are plenty of times when both candidates have approval ratings that are well below 50%, but in a two person race, somebody's gotta win...

And what about the Cubans? They know what it was like to be a refugee fleeing communism. I wonder what they think about Trump's lies about the Haitian refugees--"they're eating the dogs!" I wonder what they think about refugee status being cancelled--when the refugees have no home to return to?

Hispanic/Latino voters come from very different familial backgrounds, that will heavily influence how they feel about certain terms and economic ideas.

For instance, people whose families came from Central America or Chile probably are much more receptive left-leaning economic ideas and terms like "democratic socialism" due to having bad experiences with capitalism. However, immigrants from places like Cuba likely see the s-word (socialism -- in any context) as toxic due to their past experiences. 20-something White kids may associate the term with Denmark, but you ask a 50-something Cuban dude about that term, expect an earful lol.


Also, I'm not sure how many Americans you interact with from Mexican heritage... but in my experience, there's a special kind of resentment that exists among some of them who "did it through the proper channels" aimed at people who "skipped the line"

I've heard Mexican Americans make statements that were, for lack of a better term, the Mexican equivalent of the Chris Rock stand-up bit about ""<slur> vs. Black People.""

 

[ozso]

And so if they are apprehended, detained, disrespected, stopped and frisked or stopped while driving while Hispanic that doesn't bother you?
It doesn't bother Tom Homan. Your looks entitle you to.harassment and false arrests.

That's not what it is. In a lot of, if not most areas, if they stop everyone who's Hispanic looking, they'll be stopping virtually everyone. Rather it's a matter of going by clothing, accessories, hairstyle, tattoos, body language and such.

It's the same thing as spotting a Hipster:

 

[Fantine]

It's actually quite believable when you consider that they're overwhelmingly Catholic, and have views on some of the social issues that are not inline with the Democratic party.

Approval ratings and "who would you vote for if given these two choices" are two totally different things.

For instance, there are plenty of times when both candidates have approval ratings that are well below 50%, but in a two person race, somebody's gotta win...


Hispanic/Latino voters come from very different familial backgrounds, that will heavily influence how they feel about certain terms and economic ideas.

For instance, people whose families came from Central America or Chile probably are much more receptive left-leaning economic ideas and terms like "democratic socialism" due to having bad experiences with capitalism. However, immigrants from places like Cuba likely see the s-word (socialism -- in any context) as toxic due to their past experiences. 20-something White kids may associate the term with Denmark, but you ask a 50-something Cuban dude about that term, expect an earful lol.


Also, I'm not sure how many Americans you interact with from Mexican heritage... but in my experience, there's a special kind of resentment that exists among some of them who "did it through the proper channels" aimed at people who "skipped the line"

I've heard Mexican Americans make statements that were, for lack of a better term, the Mexican equivalent of the Chris Rock stand-up bit about ""<slur> vs. Black People.""

The people of Mexican heritage I interact with are almost all Catholics. And as a Catholic, I will state unequivocally that it's the Republican Party that is most at odds with the Catholic Church. Pope Francis and Pope Leo have both had extremely harsh words of criticism for Trump's policies.

Yes, there are conservative Catholic organizations like "Catholic Vote" who say one must vote for the candidate, no matter how evil the other 99% of their policies are, who alleges he is anti-abortion, but that is no longer preached from the pulpit. Perhaps the reality of who they were de-facto endorsing was so appalling they couldn't bring themselves to do so.

The Mexicans I know are bonding together to protect one another, and "allies" are helping. I am planning on getting a notary certification so I can certify custodial and financial power of attorney forms in case they are dragged away in chains while their children are at school.

There is only one Mexican-American I know who came through the proper channels. She came from a wealthy family and married a corporate executive. Oh, I do know a Salvadoran family who got refugee status because he was part of the Army of the overthrown government. The rest of the citizens can trace their backgrounds to ancestors who were undocumented but were part of the Reagan amnesty---and so if they criticize today's immigrants, they are hypocrites.

And now there is no line. The "line" has been replaced by $5 million down payments.

 

[RileyG]

Unbelievably, 48% of Hispanic voters supported Trump in the 2024 election.

Months later, only 35% approve of him. While I am sorry that this dawning of awareness did not happen earlier, I understand it completely.

Whether the Hispanic voter is an immigrant, a first-generation American, or possibly a second-generation American, I am sure that they realize exactly what life conditions they were fleeing, or how desperate they were.

Very few "waited in line." Most were grandfathered in under Reagan's amnesty. They themselves (or their parents) did exactly what many undocumented immigrants do today, and they were not punished.

And what about the Cubans? They know what it was like to be a refugee fleeing communism. I wonder what they think about Trump's lies about the Haitian refugees--"they're eating the dogs!" I wonder what they think about refugee status being cancelled--when the refugees have no home to return to?

I can empathize because my grandparents fled poverty in Ireland...but that was in the early 20th century. How must these immigrants (or first-generation) or refugees must feel--with the hunger, fear, and uncertainty embedded in their vestigial memories? They understand what a president born with a platinum spoon in his mouth doesn't. They know the truth. And that knowledge should forever disaqualify the people with ICE on their shirts and their leaders with ICE in their veins.

Many, many are here legally and were born here.

I even know some Hispanics who can only speak English, despite their parent being fluent.

The point being…..?

 

[RileyG]

The people of Mexican heritage I interact with are almost all Catholics. And as a Catholic, I will state unequivocally that it's the Republican Party that is most at odds with the Catholic Church. Pope Francis and Pope Leo have both had extremely harsh words of criticism for Trump's policies.

Yes, there are conservative Catholic organizations like "Catholic Vote" who say one must vote for the candidate, no matter how evil the other 99% of their policies are, who alleges he is anti-abortion, but that is no longer preached from the pulpit. Perhaps the reality of who they were de-facto endorsing was so appalling they couldn't bring themselves to do so.

The Mexicans I know are bonding together to protect one another, and "allies" are helping. I am planning on getting a notary certification so I can certify custodial and financial power of attorney forms in case they are dragged away in chains while their children are at school.

There is only one Mexican-American I know who came through the proper channels. She came from a wealthy family and married a corporate executive. Oh, I do know a Salvadoran family who got refugee status because he was part of the Army of the overthrown government. The rest of the citizens can trace their backgrounds to ancestors who were undocumented but were part of the Reagan amnesty---and so if they criticize today's immigrants, they are hypocrites.

And now there is no line. The "line" has been replaced by $5 million down payments.

I wouldn’t say either party represents the Church, as a Catholic. Political parties are indeed very divisive, in my humble opinion.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Sending their friends, relatives, Neighbors, and countrymen to Alligator Alcatraz is a lot more than rhetoric. It is a violation of Human Rights and God's law. Most immigrants from the global South are very familiar with God's law and are well aware that the Trump Administration violates it in every conceivable way daily.

It is important not to generalize all immigrants from the south. Not every immigrant has friends or family who are undocumented. Some individuals from southern countries may not support further immigration to the United States. There is notable diversity and racism within South American communities, including differences related to skin tone among Spanish speakers. Priorities and views also vary within these groups, with some people focusing on issues such as economic concerns, literacy events, or differing perspectives on social and political matters. Additionally, some hold strong religious beliefs that influence their positions on topics like reproductive rights.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

The people of Mexican heritage I interact with are almost all Catholics. And as a Catholic, I will state unequivocally that it's the Republican Party that is most at odds with the Catholic Church. Pope Francis and Pope Leo have both had extremely harsh words of criticism for Trump's policies.

Yes, there are conservative Catholic organizations like "Catholic Vote" who say one must vote for the candidate, no matter how evil the other 99% of their policies are, who alleges he is anti-abortion, but that is no longer preached from the pulpit. Perhaps the reality of who they were de-facto endorsing was so appalling they couldn't bring themselves to do so.

The Mexicans I know are bonding together to protect one another, and "allies" are helping. I am planning on getting a notary certification so I can certify custodial and financial power of attorney forms in case they are dragged away in chains while their children are at school.

There is only one Mexican-American I know who came through the proper channels. She came from a wealthy family and married a corporate executive. Oh, I do know a Salvadoran family who got refugee status because he was part of the Army of the overthrown government. The rest of the citizens can trace their backgrounds to ancestors who were undocumented but were part of the Reagan amnesty---and so if they criticize today's immigrants, they are hypocrites.

And now there is no line. The "line" has been replaced by $5 million down payments.

What is the official position of the Catholic Church on abortion?

 

[BCP1928]

What is the official position of the Catholic Church on abortion?

That is so over, what with Roe v. Wade being gone. The Catholic Church is not seen by the Right as being agressive enough on the rest of the culture war issues.