Is This The New Normal?

[rjs330]

Really, terrorized by rhetoric?

Yeah, if you are feeling terrorized by officials doing their job its because tge tect is telling you tgat you should be scared.

Those aren't agents doing their job - that is the military sicced on civilians.

Baloney

It's the current administration's go-to tool of the trade.

Its not the right attacking ICE agents. Ever since Trump got into office the left has been predicting catastrophic after catastrophic. The sky is falling, the end is near. And now the attacks on ICE for doingvtgeir constitutional duty to enforce constitutional law.

Trumps rhetoric got him elected. The lefts rhetoric almost got him killed. And now are causing agents to be injured and attempts on officers lives.

 

[rjs330]

Is it necessary to deploy the US military on our streets as authoritarian regimes do? Should ICE agents mask themselves and dress like Iran's Revolutionary Guard to enforce the law?

Of course it is under the circumstances which ive pointed out over and over. What makes it necessary are tge actions of the left. If they would leave them alone and let them do their job, it wouldn't be necessary. It didnt used to be necessary. ICE raided plenty of places before. ICE picked up illegals before. But they also weren't attacked and their families threatened before.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Of course it is under the circumstances which ive pointed out over and over. What makes it necessary are tge actions of the left. If they would leave them alone and let them do their job, it wouldn't be necessary. It didnt used to be necessary. ICE raided plenty of places before. ICE picked up illegals before. But they also weren't attacked and their families threatened before.

The phrase "under the circumstances" has often been used to justify imposing unusual rules on citizens. Advocating for law and order requires following established legal procedures. In America, over the past 250 years, we have not deployed the military or masked federal agents to enforce laws. If you support law enforcement, it should be conducted transparently and with legal oversight. Assigning blame to political groups is not a valid justification. To uphold principles of law and order, full transparency and adherence to legal procedures are essential.

 

[rjs330]

Never believe everyone who say they support legal immigration.

It is like when someone say “ I am not racist, I have a black friend’.

Dude, Im and immigrant. My whole family was. Aunts, uncles, cousins. We came legally through the process. Im proud to hold my citizenship papers.

I want others to be able to come to this great country and participate in the opportunities here like I did. But I want to make sure they are good people who want to come and join us as citizens. Who aren't here just to take advantage of benefits, commit crime, or cause trouble.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Dude, Im and immigrant. My whole family was. Aunts, uncles, cousins. We came legally through the process. Im proud to hold my citizenship papers.

I want others to be able to come to this great country and participate in the opportunities here like I did. But I want to make sure they are good people who want to come and join us as citizens. Who aren't here just to take advantage of benefits, commit crime, or cause trouble.

I don’t know who you are and I have no comment about you.

But from my personal everyday experience I know many immigrant in USA who are far more racist then KKK.

 

[rjs330]

In America, over the past 250 years, we have not deployed the military or masked federal agents to enforce laws. If you support law enforcement, it should be conducted transparently and with legal oversight. Assigning blame to political groups is not a valid justification. To uphold principles of law and order, full transparency and adherence to legal procedures are essential.

Yes we have. And there is no law anywhere requiring officers to show their faces so they and their families can be threatened and harassed. Ive worked with local law enforcement for 40 years now and in the performance of their duties the citizenry has never acted like this. And trust me, they have screwed up a time or two. This kind of harassment and threats to families is new due to the advent of cell phones and social media. Tactics have to be adjusted.

If it weren't for political groups doing this, thia wouldn't be necessary.

Yes transparency and following the rule of law is quite necessary. But you cant tell me that transparency requires you to show your face and allow you and your family to be harassed and threatened.

Why you aren't more concerned about that is beyond me.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Yes we have. And there is no law anywhere requiring officers to show their faces so they and their families can be threatened and harassed. Ive worked with local law enforcement for 40 years now and in the performance of their duties the citizenry has never acted like this. And trust me, they have screwed up a time or two. This kind of harassment and threats to families is new due to the advent of cell phones and social media. Tactics have to be adjusted.

If it weren't for political groups doing this, thia wouldn't be necessary.

Yes transparency and following the rule of law is quite necessary. But you cant tell me that transparency requires you to show your face and allow you and your family to be harassed and threatened.

Why you aren't more concerned about that is beyond me.

Transparency requires law enforcement officers to identify themselves by showing their faces and badges before acting. This is a key distinction between U.S. law enforcement and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

Citizens who express concerns about ICE are American citizens and possess the same rights to voice their opinions as anyone else, provided they do so lawfully. Disagreement with their perspectives does not justify adopting authoritarian approaches. If an ICE agent feels unsafe in their role, they have the option to leave the position, as employment in this field is voluntary. For democracy to function effectively, transparency is essential.

 

[Pommer]

It’s just bizarre how comfortable some of you are with living in an apparent police state. Shows how all that tough guy second amendment talk from the right is just that. All talk.

Authoritarians are okay with the rank-and-file if the Authoritarian Leadership is “our Authoritarian Leadership”.

 

[Pommer]

Whats bizarre is how some of you are okay with attacking people for doing their job. You know good and well its legal to have immigration laws and enforce them. We don't have a police state. Thats just more leftist rhetoric. And it is what helps push the violence against those trying to enforce a constitutional law.

“Just following orders” was repudiated in 1946-47; has there been a rescinding of this “principle“?

 

[Vambram]

The mayor of LA is a lying and dishonest politician, IMO. Please read the following article where there are good people in California and outside of the state refuting her lies.

LA mayor ripped for interfering with ICE raid at crime-ridden local park: 'Full of s---'

Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass sparked a social media firestorm on Monday after she attempted to stop ICE agents from conducting a raid at a park known for criminal activity.

www.foxnews.com

 

[JosephZ]

The mayor of LA is a lying and dishonest politician, IMO.

What did she lie about?

 

[Fervent]

My main issue with immigration theater is that if they really cared about enforcing the borders they'd be enforcing the penalties on employers rather than rounding up laborers. Disincentivize hiring people here illegally at the expense of the citizenry and the bulk of the issue goes away on its own, no deportations necessary. But they'd rather put on a show and spread terror than actually engage in effective policy action.

 

[essentialsaltes]

'Show of presence'

Exclusive: Operation Excalibur in Los Angeles Was Show of Force​

Today’s homeland security operation at the 35-acre MacArthur Park in the Westlake neighborhood of Los Angeles was a mere “show of presence,” internal Army documents I’ve obtained say. ICE and Customs agents, many dressed in military garb, assaulted the Park, which the documents describe as a hotbed of “historic lawlessness” and “the founding location of MS-13,” the Salvadoran gang.

The documents reveal that the erstwhile justification for the operation was to try to shut down the distribution of fake IDs. The mission of the 1st Squadron, 18th Cavalry is described as protecting DHS [Department of Homeland Security] “security points and blocking positions” while they undertook their assault. The Squadron was ordered not to “restrict pedestrian movement” and not to “conduct law enforcement activities.”)

Read on to find that the FBI is Coke, while the LAPD is Pepsi.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

'Show of presence'

Exclusive: Operation Excalibur in Los Angeles Was Show of Force​

Today’s homeland security operation at the 35-acre MacArthur Park in the Westlake neighborhood of Los Angeles was a mere “show of presence,” internal Army documents I’ve obtained say. ICE and Customs agents, many dressed in military garb, assaulted the Park, which the documents describe as a hotbed of “historic lawlessness” and “the founding location of MS-13,” the Salvadoran gang.

The documents reveal that the erstwhile justification for the operation was to try to shut down the distribution of fake IDs. The mission of the 1st Squadron, 18th Cavalry is described as protecting DHS [Department of Homeland Security] “security points and blocking positions” while they undertook their assault. The Squadron was ordered not to “restrict pedestrian movement” and not to “conduct law enforcement activities.”)

Read on to find that the FBI is Coke, while the LAPD is Pepsi.

An administration at war with its own people.

 

[Vambram]

What did she lie about?

It would be more accurate to ask, what has Mayor Bass NOT lied about.

 

[Vambram]

An administration at war with its own people.

That conclusion is absolutely incorrect.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That conclusion is absolutely incorrect.

That’s just your opinion.

It is my opinion this president wants a war or at least the appearance of widespread chaos within the United States. Hence the need for a performative show of force in MacArthur Park.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Just normal police work in America according to some of our friends here on these boards. Everyone remembers when Obama militarized American cities to enforce his agenda.

I think a lot of people don't know what they're talking about. Because it hasn't effected them. No, I don't remember Obama militarized American cities. I personally don't like seeing war zones in California. My aunt is part Mexican. She's afraid to come to California. I tell her, that I haven't seen any ICE deporting people, where I live. But who knows what will happen by September.

 

[Vambram]

It is my opinion this president wants a war or at least the appearance of widespread chaos within the United States. Hence the need for a performative show of force in MacArthur Park.

I believe that is a waaaay over the top opinion.

 

[rjs330]

Transparency requires law enforcement officers to identify themselves by showing their faces and badges before acting.

I see, you dont want them and their families protected from.threats and harassment. Got it. And dont tell me "I disnt say that". Because that's the result of your desires. Its like saying, we dont need brakes on cars and then so.wone pointing out that the result of rhat will be people will die. And you claiming well thats not what you said. Thats the RESULT of your desired action.

And by the way, the agents ARE wearing ID and carrying their badges. All a LE has to to do is identify themselves and show their badge and tell people of their intent to arrest and what for. Thats it.

Citizens who express concerns about ICE are American citizens and possess the same rights to voice their opinions as anyone else, provided they do so lawfully.

That's correct. They dont have a right to obstruct, threaten or attack the officers.

Disagreement with their perspectives does not justify adopting authoritarian approaches. If an ICE agent feels unsafe in their role, they have the option to leave the position, as employment in this field is voluntary. For democracy to function effectively, transparency is essential

If an ICE agents feels threatened then he has a right to defend himself. He doeant have to quit. Thats ridiculous. In fact we should demand as citizens that they be protected.

Transparency is critical i agree, but transparency does not require we see their faces if doing so causes them and their families to be harassed and threatened. Honestly you are starting to sound like a 3rd world thug.