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Yes Jesus would be in his glorified form, but the question is did they have to bow the knee to Jesus as Isaiah 45:23 says, or do they get to see the Father because of whatever they did while in the mortal body with out having to bend the knee to Jesus?
Isaiah 45:23 is not about bowing the knee to Jesus but about bowing the knee to the Father. Read verse 22.
That was not the question, did they have to accept Jesus as the savior or did they see the Father in a different way.
The question is irrelevant based on the verse. The first covenant was between God the Father and Israel. The second covenant is about Jesus dying for our sins. Israel during the old covenant did not know Jesus so why would they bow their knee to Him?
" Israel during the old covenant did not know Jesus so why would they bow their knee to Him"The question is irrelevant based on the verse. The first covenant was between God the Father and Israel. The second covenant is about Jesus dying for our sins. Israel during the old covenant did not know Jesus so why would they bow their knee to Him?
Here, these verses should help you understand this concept.
“Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by taking the form of a bond-servant and being born in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death: death on a cross. For this reason also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”
Philippians 2:5-11 NASB2020
Philippians 2:5-11 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by takin | New American Standard Bible
Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, who, as He already existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself by takinbible.com
First, no where in scripture does it teach that there is salvation post mortem.
Ok so you believe that the OT people got to go to the Father by way of the sacrifices then?
The OT saints were saved the same way we are today, by grace through faith. Is Christ not the lamb slain from the foundation of the Earth? Then what makes you think temporal relationship alters anything?
Ok so in your belief system there are other ways to get to the Father.
So do you believe the OT people accepted Jesus after their mortal body had died?
No. Only through Faith.
Your belief system is not biblical. There is absolutely no scripture that teaches post mortem salvation. Secondly, there is absolutely no scripture that back dates the New Testament to the Old Testament. You continue to blindly state that it does but your argument is flawed from the start.
In whom not what. Is faith in God.
So all you needed was faith in God to see the Father, why did Jesus come and die?
I do not believe that there are multiple ways to the Father, I believe John 14:6 is a eternal truth not just for those who came after Jesus came and died for us.
But again your view is not biblical. In order for your view to work Jesus would have had to become man and die for our sins during the first covenant. That simply did not happen, biblically and historically.
I understand what you believe, tradition says that man can only trust in Jesus while you are in your temporary mortal body, but no place in scripture does it say that. The only scripture that people point out is Hebrews that it is appointed for man to die once then the judgment, the lense that western church has used says judgement and punishment are the same, heaven or hell, but the tradition I follow is that of many of the early church, that 1 Cor 15:28 that God will be all in all- that is Gods telos and you work backwards from that telos, the only conclusion is that God pursues us, our true self, not just when we are in our temporary body. Most people need the mortal body striped away before they can see God/ Jesus as they are and will respond to reconcile only then,God is not bound by time, man tries to put that on God but he is not bound by our time table.
