Multiple immigration sweeps reported across Los Angeles, with a tense standoff/protest downtown; SEIU union leader arrested

[Hentenza]

It's a bad analogy, because freedom of speech applies to more than your house.

Hint: look up reasons to revoke a visa. Freedom of speech has its limitations when you hold a visa.

 

[Hentenza]

Dems haven't shut down any speech at all.

Except when the speaker is a hated conservative. Happens a lot in universities.

 

[NxNW]

Except when the speaker is a hated conservative. Happens a lot in universities.

Please list the conservative speakers who were shut down by Democrat officials.

 

[rjs330]

"Under the Trump administration, we will revoke the student visas of radical, anti-American and antisemitic foreigners at our colleges and universities, and we will send them straight back home"

"...The United States must ensure that admitted aliens and aliens otherwise already present in the United States do not bear hostile attitudes toward its citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles, and do not advocate for, aid, or support designated foreign terrorists or other threats to our national security." Restricting The Entry of Foreign Nationals to Protect the United States from Foreign Terrorists and Other National Security and Public Safety Threats

See nothing about free speech but radicals, threats and terrorist supporting foreigners.

Do want radicals, threatening people and terrorists supporters here?

 

[Belk]

Hint: look up reasons to revoke a visa. Freedom of speech has its limitations when you hold a visa.

Where is that listed in the constitution?

 

[Hentenza]

Please list the conservative speakers who were shut down by Democrat officials.

No not by democratic officials but by democrats and never decried by democratic officials.

 

[Hentenza]

Where is that listed in the constitution?

lol why would the immigration laws be listed in the constitution?

 

[Belk]

lol why would the immigration laws be listed in the constitution?

That would be where the limitations on the first amendment would be located.

 

[Hentenza]

That would be where the limitations on the first amendment would be located.

Nope. Think again.

 

[NxNW]

No not by democratic officials but by democrats

Link? If it wasn't the Democratic Party or Obama/Biden administration, then you don't know what you're talking about. Sounds like you're talking about students.

I might vote down somebody at a karaoke contest, but it's not on behalf of the Democrats.

 

[Hentenza]

Link? If it wasn't the Democratic Party or Obama/Biden administration, then you don't know what you're talking about. Sounds like you're talking about students.

I might vote down somebody at a karaoke contest, but it's not on behalf of the Democrats.

You never heard of a conservative speaker being interrupted while doing a speech at a university? These are adult students and is not difficult to figure out that they are not republicans.

Here is an example.

Robert George's speech about free speech is shouted down

Robert George, an advocate for allowing diverse views on campuses, was interrupted by students protesting his stances on LGBTQ+ individuals.

www.insidehighered.com

 

[NxNW]

You never heard of a conservative speaker being interrupted while doing a speech at a university?

Wait, somebody was heckled? Did it look like this?

Those darn Democrats!

 

[Belk]

Nope. Think again.

Pretty sure all the limitations of the constitution are contained within it's provisions. You are free to show me laws or court cases stating otherwise but telling me to "think again" is singularly unconvincing.

 

[Gene2memE]

See nothing about free speech

Sure there is - "hostile attitudes toward its citizens, culture, government, institutions, or founding principles". How can you discover "hostile attitudes" if not through speech?

but radicals,

"Radical" speech is still speech.

threats

Some threats are protected speech, other threats aren't.

and terrorist supporting foreigners.

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. See, for instance, the back-and-forth US relationship with various Islamic mujahideen groups. Or specific individuals, like the current president of Syria (Ahmed al-Sharaa).

The US has laws preventing material support for foreign terrorist organisations. However, there is a huge gulf between voicing support for a group like Hamas, and even for their terrorism, and actually providing support to them.

Do want radicals, threatening people and terrorists supporters here?

I don't want anyone threatening anybody. Anywhere.

However, I think that the US Constitution provides legal protections to speech that can be interpreted as radical, threatening or supporting of terrorism. And, I don't think that the wording of the Constitution limits that protection to US citizens. Rather, it tells the government what it can and cannot limit.

For instance. There are people out there who publicly advocate for homosexuals to be lined up and shot in the back of the head, because they believe that's God's will. I think they are radical terrorists who are threatening people. And, I don't want them threatening people and I don't agree with their speech.

But, the US Constitution protects their right to say it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Wait, somebody was heckled? Did it look like this?

Those darn Democrats!

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During an event at San Francisco State University on April 7, 2023, Riley Gaines was reportedly confronted by protesters and subsequently had to barricade herself in a room for three hours. Protesters, who opposed her views on transgender athletes in women's sports, disrupted her speaking event, chanted, stomped, and followed her after the event, making it difficult for her to be safely escorted from the premises. Campus police eventually intervened, escorting her to a room where she remained locked in while protesters were outside. She was eventually escorted out by the San Francisco Police Department,according to CNN.

 

[Hentenza]

Pretty sure all the limitations of the constitution are contained within it's provisions. You are free to show me laws or court cases stating otherwise but telling me to "think again" is singularly unconvincing.

The immigration laws are based on the constitution but not in the constitution. Tell me, is the law that bars people from shouting fire in a crowded theater in the constitution or how about the one that prohibits people from jokingly claim that they have a bomb at the airport?

This stuff is pretty basic brother.

 

[Belk]

The immigration laws are based on the constitution but not in the constitution. Tell me, is the law that bars people from shouting fire in a crowded theater in the constitution or how about the one that prohibits people from jokingly claim that they have a bomb at the airport?

This stuff is pretty basic brother.

From what I understand the "fire in a theater" one is not law but an example used by a judge. That said those limitations would be case law as I pointed out in my response. Now, are you actually going to detail out where these supposed limitations to speech reside in dealing with visas or no?

 

[rjs330]

Dems haven't shut down any speech at all.

Yes they have.

 

[NxNW]

During an event at San Francisco State University on April 7, 2023, Riley Gaines was reportedly confronted by protesters and subsequently had to barricade herself in a room for three hours. Protesters, who opposed her views on transgender athletes in women's sports, disrupted her speaking event, chanted, stomped, and followed her after the event, making it difficult for her to be safely escorted from the premises. Campus police eventually intervened, escorting her to a room where she remained locked in while protesters were outside. She was eventually escorted out by the San Francisco Police Department,according to CNN.

Not sure how this is relevant to the discussion about the Democratic Party suppressing free speech.

Most such protesters don't vote Dem because they're considered too far right.

 

[NxNW]

Yes they have.

So far I haven't seen any examples.