The Sabbath: God’s Eternal Sign — Creation, Covenant, and the Final Conflict

[BobRyan]

I don't see the language of the finger of God "better" then the language used in the Abrahamic covenat and would protest anyone who would use this to say it is. Christ didn't write in any store, he wrote on the sand with a stick

Heb 8 says it is Christ writing on Stone in the book of Exodus.

that is fine with me

 

[Freth]

Some people claim that Jesus rose on the first day of the week (Sunday), so the Sabbath was changed. Others point to a few verses in Acts where the disciples gathered on the first day—but in truth, those verses never say the Sabbath was changed or canceled. The apostles, especially the original twelve, never taught such a thing.

Further...

The book of Revelation.

• The book of Revelation is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him. If something changed with the Sabbath, the book of Revelation would be the place to find it, but it isn't there.
• The book of Revelation calls for the keeping of God's commandments. This should be enough for the reader to come to the conclusion that the Sabbath is still binding.
• The book of Revelation declares the everlasting gospel to the world, calling for worship of God, for the time of His judgment is come, meaning judgment is pending.
• The book of Revelation, in calling for worship, points back to creation, when God sanctified the seventh day. The Sabbath commandment also points back to creation in the same way. The seventh day Sabbath is being magnified, not diminished.
• The book of Revelation, in the last chapter, makes it a point to mention whosoever loves and makes a lie (or as NKJV translates, "...whoever loves and practices a lie.")
  • Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
  • 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [Strong's G646 apostasia: defection from the truth] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

I used to observe the 7th day Sabbath back in the 70s and 80s when I was a teenager and into my mid to late 20s. I still observe the Sabbath at times but I am not as well versed in defending my keeping the Sabbath as many of you in this forum are. The Sabbath was made not just for the Jew, but for Mankind. I am a freethinker and am not a member of any one denomination, but I read the Bible and try to worship God to the best of my ability.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

There are writings (I have heard) that were written in the late first century CE and early second century that state Christians were observing Sunday in the Roman Empire. Some claim that in the Council of Nicea in 325 CE Constantine established Sunday as the day of worship. Is this true?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

There are writings (I have heard) that were written in the late first century CE and early second century that state Christians were observing Sunday in the Roman Empire. Some claim that in the Council of Nicea in 325 CE Constantine established Sunday as the day of worship. Is this true?

Today I want to answer the question which so many listeners have been concerned about since our first broadcast on the Sabbath question. How did the change take place, substituting Sunday for Saturday as the day of worship? This is possibly one of the most disturbing religious questions among thinking Christians today. Unfortunately, the issue is not examined publicly very often for reasons that we’ll consider today. But multitudes have wondered when, how and why the change came about. We have established in previous broadcasts that the Bible itself speaks with absolute consistency on this subject.

No Change Documented in the Bible​

In both Old and New Testament there is not a shadow of variation in the doctrine of the Sabbath. The seventh day, Saturday, is the only day ever designated by the term Sabbath in the entire Bible. Not only was Jesus a perfect example in observing the weekly seventh-day Sabbath, but all His disciples followed the same pattern after Jesus had gone back to heaven. Yet no intimation of any change of the day is made. The apostle Paul, who wrote pages of counsel about lesser issues of Jewish and Gentile conflicts, had not one word to say about any controversy over the day of worship. Circumcision, foods offered to idols, and other Jewish customs were readily challenged by early Gentile Christians in the church, but the weightier matter of weekly worship never was an issue. Why? For the simple reason that no change was made from the historic seventh day of Old Testament times, and from creation itself. Had there been a switch from the Sabbath to the first day of the week, you can be sure the controversy would have been more explosive than any other to those Jewish Christians.

History Gives Some Clues​

If the change did not take place in the Scriptures or through the influence of the apostles, when and how did it happen? In order to understand this, we must understand what happened in that early church soon after the apostles passed off the stage of action. Paul had prophesied that apostasy would take place soon after his departure. He said there would be a falling away from the truth. One doesn’t have to read very far in early church history to see just how that prophecy was fulfilled. Gnosticism began to rise up under the influence of philosophers who sought to reconcile Christianity with Paganism. At the same time, a strong anti-Jewish sentiment became more widespread. Very speculative interpretations began to appear regarding some of the great doctrines of Christ and the apostles.

The Conversion of Constantine​

By the time Constantine was established as the emperor of Rome in the early fourth century, there was a decided division in the church as a result of all these factors. I think most of you know that Constantine was the first so-called Christian emperor of the Roman Empire. The story of his conversion has become very well known to students of ancient history. He was marching forth to fight the battle of Milvian Bridge when he had some kind of vision, and saw a flaming cross in the sky. Underneath the cross were the Latin words meaning “In this sign conquer.” Constantine took this as an omen that he should be a Christian, and his army as well. He declared all his pagan soldiers to be Christians, and became very zealous to build up the power and prestige of the church. Through his influence great blocks of pagans were taken into the Christian ranks. But, friends, they were still pagan at heart, and they brought in much of the paraphernalia of sun-worship to which they continued to be devoted. We mentioned in a previous broadcast about the adoption of Christmas and Easter into the church. At the same time, many other customs were Christianized and appropriated into the practice of the church as well.

Sun Worship​

You see, at that time the cult of Mithraism or sun-worship was the official religion of the Roman Empire. It stood as the greatest competitor to the new Christian religion. It had its own organization, temples, priesthood, robes—everything. It also had an official worship day on which special homage was given to the sun. That day was called “The Venerable Day of the Sun.” It was the first day of the week, and from it we get our name Sunday. When Constantine pressed his pagan hordes into the church they were observing the day of the sun for their adoration of the sun god. It was their special holy day. In order to make it more convenient for them to make the change to the new religion, Constantine accepted their day of worship, Sunday, instead of the Christian Sabbath which had been observed by Jesus and His disciples. Remember that the way had been prepared for this already by the increasing anti-Jewish feelings against those who were accused of putting Jesus to death. Those feelings would naturally condition many Christians to swing away from something which was held religiously by the Jews. It is therefore easier to understand how the change was imposed on Christianity through a strong civil law issued by Constantine as the Emperor of Rome. The very wording of that law, by the way, can be found in any reliable encyclopedia. Those early Christians, feeling that the Jews should not be followed any more than necessary, were ready to swing away from the Sabbath which was kept by the Jews.

Historical Accounts​

Some of you may be greatly surprised by the explanation I’ve just made, and I’m not going to ask you to believe it blindly. I have before me a multitude of authorities to verify what has been said. Here are historians, Catholics and Protestants, speaking in harmony about what actually took place in the fourth century. After Constantine made the initial pronouncement and legal decree about the change, the Catholic Church reinforced that act in one church council after another. For this reason, many, many official statements from Catholic sources are made, claiming that the church made the change from Saturday to Sunday. But before I read those statements I shall refer to one from the Encyclopedia Britannica under the article, Sunday. Notice: “It was Constantine who first made a law for the proper observance of Sunday and who appointed that it should be regularly celebrated throughout the Roman empire.” Now you can check these statements in your own encyclopedias or go to the library and look into other historical sources.

Here is a statement from Dr. Gilbert Murray, M.A., D.Litt., LLD, FBA, Professor of Greek at Oxford University, who certainly had no ax to grind concerning Christian thought on the Sabbath question. He wrote: “Now since Mithras was the sun, the Unconquered, and the sun was the Royal Star, the religion looked for a king whom it could serve as a representative of Mithras upon earth. The Roman Emperor seemed to be clearly indicated as the true king. In sharp contrast to Christianity, Mithraism recognized Caesar as the bearer of divine grace. It had so much acceptance that it was able to impose on the Christian world its own sun-day in place of the Sabbath; its sun’s birthday, the 25th of December, as the birthday of Jesus.” History of Christianity in the Light of Modern Knowledge.

Looking a bit further into historical statements, Dr. William Frederick says: “The Gentiles were an idolatrous people who worshipped the sun, and Sunday was their most sacred day. Now in order to reach the people in this new field, it seems but natural as well as necessary to make Sunday the rest day of the church. At this time it was necessary for the church to either adopt the Gentile’s day or else have the Gentiles change their day. To change the Gentiles day would have been an offense and stumbling block to them. The church could naturally reach them better by keeping their day.” There it is, friends, a clear explanation by Dr. Frederick as to how this change happened. Another statement very parallel to this one is found in the North British Review.

But let’s move on to a statement from the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 4, p. 153. “The church after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath or seventh-day of the week to the first, made the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s day.”

Catholicism Takes Credit for the Change​

Now a quote from the Catholic Press newspaper in Sidney, Australia. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”

The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

To point up the claims we’re talking about, I want to read from two Catechisms. First, from the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

Second, from Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”

Then from Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”

One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

That is a most interesting statement, is it not, friends? And it is a very true statement. There is some inconsistency somewhere along the line, because we have examined the statements of history, and you can check them for yourself in any library. I’m not reading anything one-sided here at all. I’ve tried to give you an unbiased picture. Although we have seen the claims made by the Catholic Church in their publications, we are not reading them to cast any reflection upon anyone, by any means. We are simply bringing you a recital of what has been written and what claims have been made.

How The Sabbath Was Changed | Sabbath Truth

Background investigation of how the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday

www.sabbathtruth.com

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Today I want to answer the question which so many listeners have been concerned about since our first broadcast on the Sabbath question. How did the change take place, substituting Sunday for Saturday as the day of worship? This is possibly one of the most disturbing religious questions among thinking Christians today. Unfortunately, the issue is not examined publicly very often for reasons that we’ll consider today. But multitudes have wondered when, how and why the change came about. We have established in previous broadcasts that the Bible itself speaks with absolute consistency on this subject.

No Change Documented in the Bible​

In both Old and New Testament there is not a shadow of variation in the doctrine of the Sabbath. The seventh day, Saturday, is the only day ever designated by the term Sabbath in the entire Bible. Not only was Jesus a perfect example in observing the weekly seventh-day Sabbath, but all His disciples followed the same pattern after Jesus had gone back to heaven. Yet no intimation of any change of the day is made. The apostle Paul, who wrote pages of counsel about lesser issues of Jewish and Gentile conflicts, had not one word to say about any controversy over the day of worship. Circumcision, foods offered to idols, and other Jewish customs were readily challenged by early Gentile Christians in the church, but the weightier matter of weekly worship never was an issue. Why? For the simple reason that no change was made from the historic seventh day of Old Testament times, and from creation itself. Had there been a switch from the Sabbath to the first day of the week, you can be sure the controversy would have been more explosive than any other to those Jewish Christians.

History Gives Some Clues​

If the change did not take place in the Scriptures or through the influence of the apostles, when and how did it happen? In order to understand this, we must understand what happened in that early church soon after the apostles passed off the stage of action. Paul had prophesied that apostasy would take place soon after his departure. He said there would be a falling away from the truth. One doesn’t have to read very far in early church history to see just how that prophecy was fulfilled. Gnosticism began to rise up under the influence of philosophers who sought to reconcile Christianity with Paganism. At the same time, a strong anti-Jewish sentiment became more widespread. Very speculative interpretations began to appear regarding some of the great doctrines of Christ and the apostles.

The Conversion of Constantine​

By the time Constantine was established as the emperor of Rome in the early fourth century, there was a decided division in the church as a result of all these factors. I think most of you know that Constantine was the first so-called Christian emperor of the Roman Empire. The story of his conversion has become very well known to students of ancient history. He was marching forth to fight the battle of Milvian Bridge when he had some kind of vision, and saw a flaming cross in the sky. Underneath the cross were the Latin words meaning “In this sign conquer.” Constantine took this as an omen that he should be a Christian, and his army as well. He declared all his pagan soldiers to be Christians, and became very zealous to build up the power and prestige of the church. Through his influence great blocks of pagans were taken into the Christian ranks. But, friends, they were still pagan at heart, and they brought in much of the paraphernalia of sun-worship to which they continued to be devoted. We mentioned in a previous broadcast about the adoption of Christmas and Easter into the church. At the same time, many other customs were Christianized and appropriated into the practice of the church as well.

Sun Worship​

You see, at that time the cult of Mithraism or sun-worship was the official religion of the Roman Empire. It stood as the greatest competitor to the new Christian religion. It had its own organization, temples, priesthood, robes—everything. It also had an official worship day on which special homage was given to the sun. That day was called “The Venerable Day of the Sun.” It was the first day of the week, and from it we get our name Sunday. When Constantine pressed his pagan hordes into the church they were observing the day of the sun for their adoration of the sun god. It was their special holy day. In order to make it more convenient for them to make the change to the new religion, Constantine accepted their day of worship, Sunday, instead of the Christian Sabbath which had been observed by Jesus and His disciples. Remember that the way had been prepared for this already by the increasing anti-Jewish feelings against those who were accused of putting Jesus to death. Those feelings would naturally condition many Christians to swing away from something which was held religiously by the Jews. It is therefore easier to understand how the change was imposed on Christianity through a strong civil law issued by Constantine as the Emperor of Rome. The very wording of that law, by the way, can be found in any reliable encyclopedia. Those early Christians, feeling that the Jews should not be followed any more than necessary, were ready to swing away from the Sabbath which was kept by the Jews.

Historical Accounts​

Some of you may be greatly surprised by the explanation I’ve just made, and I’m not going to ask you to believe it blindly. I have before me a multitude of authorities to verify what has been said. Here are historians, Catholics and Protestants, speaking in harmony about what actually took place in the fourth century. After Constantine made the initial pronouncement and legal decree about the change, the Catholic Church reinforced that act in one church council after another. For this reason, many, many official statements from Catholic sources are made, claiming that the church made the change from Saturday to Sunday. But before I read those statements I shall refer to one from the Encyclopedia Britannica under the article, Sunday. Notice: “It was Constantine who first made a law for the proper observance of Sunday and who appointed that it should be regularly celebrated throughout the Roman empire.” Now you can check these statements in your own encyclopedias or go to the library and look into other historical sources.

Here is a statement from Dr. Gilbert Murray, M.A., D.Litt., LLD, FBA, Professor of Greek at Oxford University, who certainly had no ax to grind concerning Christian thought on the Sabbath question. He wrote: “Now since Mithras was the sun, the Unconquered, and the sun was the Royal Star, the religion looked for a king whom it could serve as a representative of Mithras upon earth. The Roman Emperor seemed to be clearly indicated as the true king. In sharp contrast to Christianity, Mithraism recognized Caesar as the bearer of divine grace. It had so much acceptance that it was able to impose on the Christian world its own sun-day in place of the Sabbath; its sun’s birthday, the 25th of December, as the birthday of Jesus.” History of Christianity in the Light of Modern Knowledge.

Looking a bit further into historical statements, Dr. William Frederick says: “The Gentiles were an idolatrous people who worshipped the sun, and Sunday was their most sacred day. Now in order to reach the people in this new field, it seems but natural as well as necessary to make Sunday the rest day of the church. At this time it was necessary for the church to either adopt the Gentile’s day or else have the Gentiles change their day. To change the Gentiles day would have been an offense and stumbling block to them. The church could naturally reach them better by keeping their day.” There it is, friends, a clear explanation by Dr. Frederick as to how this change happened. Another statement very parallel to this one is found in the North British Review.

But let’s move on to a statement from the Catholic Encyclopedia, Vol. 4, p. 153. “The church after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath or seventh-day of the week to the first, made the third commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord’s day.”

Catholicism Takes Credit for the Change​

Now a quote from the Catholic Press newspaper in Sidney, Australia. “Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles. From the beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to the first.”

The Catholic Mirror of September 23, 1894, puts it this way: “The Catholic Church for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday.”

To point up the claims we’re talking about, I want to read from two Catechisms. First, from the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine by Reverend Peter Giermann. “Question: Which is the Sabbath day? Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day. Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.”

Second, from Reverend Steven Keenan’s Doctrinal Catechism we read this: “Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her; she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day; a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.”

Then from Cardinal Gibbons’ book, The Question Box, p.179, “If the Bible is the only guide for the Christian, then the Seventh-day Adventist is right in observing Saturday with the Jew. Is it not strange that those who make the Bible their only teacher should inconsistently follow in this matter the tradition of the Catholic Church?”

One more statement taken from the book, The Faith of Millions, p. 473. “But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn’t it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistency but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text from the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.”

That is a most interesting statement, is it not, friends? And it is a very true statement. There is some inconsistency somewhere along the line, because we have examined the statements of history, and you can check them for yourself in any library. I’m not reading anything one-sided here at all. I’ve tried to give you an unbiased picture. Although we have seen the claims made by the Catholic Church in their publications, we are not reading them to cast any reflection upon anyone, by any means. We are simply bringing you a recital of what has been written and what claims have been made.

How The Sabbath Was Changed | Sabbath Truth

Background investigation of how the Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday

www.sabbathtruth.com

I am open to keeping the Sabbath but it has been many years since I studied the topic and am unable to defend keeping the Sabbath. Paul says don't judge a man for what day he keeps and there is another comment he made I want to ask about to you Seventh Day Adventists but I can't remember it right now. I think it is do not judge a man in regard to the Sabbath and New Moons. TBH, I have been told the Seventh Day Adventists are a cult and revere Ellen G. White, as an apostle of Jesus. I am open to learning more about keeping the Sabbath but I don't want to become a member of a cult if it is a cult. I've attended a 7th day Adventist Church in Texas in 1987 and I enjoyed the meeting. It was like attending a church on Sunday, just on Saturday. I saw nothing that raised my radar. They did not worship like the Worldwide Church of God that I was in for over 10 years. The WCG was called a cult too by Walter Martin, a cult specialist who wrote the big book titled "The Kingdom of the Cults". He called the 7th Day Adventist a Cult and he did the same to my church.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am open to keeping the Sabbath but it has been many years since I studied the topic and am unable to defend keeping the Sabbath. Paul says don't judge a man for what day he keeps and there is another comment he made I want to ask about to you Seventh Day Adventists but I can't remember it right now. I think it is do not judge a man in regard to the Sabbath and New Moons. TBH, I have been told the Seventh Day Adventists are a cult and revere Ellen G. White, as an apostle of Jesus. I am open to learning more about keeping the Sabbath but I don't want to become a member of a cult if it is a cult. I've attended a 7th day Adventist Church in Texas in 1987 and I enjoyed the meeting. It was like attending a church on Sunday, just on Saturday. I saw nothing that raised my radar. They did not worship like the Worldwide Church of God that I was in for over 10 years. The WCG was called a cult too by Walter Martin, a cult specialist who wrote the big book titled "The Kingdom of the Cults". He called the 7th Day Adventist a Cult and he did the same to my church.

You do not need to defend the Sabbath, just prayerfully read your Bible and be faithful to God and not listen to all the noise around us. The only voice that matters is God's.

The SDA church is not a cult, it has 23 million members around the world, one of the key distinctions of a cult is that its small. The SDA church is very much a Bible centered denomination who believes in all Ten of God's commandments. There is a real spiritual war going on and remember it was never the majority who believed Jesus or the apostles and many thought Jesus was a devil so its best not beleive everything we hear. We are told in Scripture Rev 12: 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman,(church) and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So I would expect nothing less than all of the things people say against the SDA church, most based on misinformation.

That being said, you do not need to be a SDA to keep the Sabbath, although part of keeping the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 which is how Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:2 etc. there are other Sabbath-keeping churches out there aside from SDA, although we are the largest. Best to study your Bible for yourself and prayerfully ask God to guide you to the church He wants you to be part of. God does not want us alone and wants us to be in one accord and having a church family is really important and a blessing.

Keeping the Sabbath is simple. It is God's holy day Isa 58:13, that He also wants us to keep holy Exo 20:8 and we do that from resting from works and labors Exo 20:9 and keeping the Sabbath day focused on God. Isa 58:13 I do that by going to church, praying, reading the Bible, getting out in nature appreciating all that God made for us without us and trying to do good like helping the elderly or people in need. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing Isa 56:2 so God can give us His sanctification Eze 20:12 and to spiritually rest in Him. Since I started keeping the Sabbath it has changed my life for the better. Its not always easy, but obeying God the way God asks will always be right.

This is one of my favorite verses in the Bible. Not many places in the Bible show how we join ourselves to the Lord, to serve Him and God relates to keeping the Sabbath as doing justice and righteousness which is the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

You might be interested in this video that will hopefully shed some light on the SDA church

God bless!

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

You do not need to defend the Sabbath, just prayerfully read your Bible and be faithful to God and not listen to all the noise around us. The only voice that matters is God's.

The SDA church is not a cult, it has 23 million members around the world, one of the key distinctions of a cult is that its small. The SDA church is very much a Bible centered denomination who believes in all Ten of God's commandments. There is a real spiritual war going on and remember it was never the majority who believed Jesus or the apostles and many thought Jesus was a devil so its best not beleive everything we hear. We are told in Scripture Rev 12: 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman,(church) and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. So I would expect nothing less than all of the things people say against the SDA church, most based on misinformation.

That being said, you do not need to be a SDA to keep the Sabbath, although part of keeping the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3 which is how Jesus and the apostles kept the Sabbath Luke 4:16 Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:2 etc. there are other Sabbath-keeping churches out there aside from SDA, although we are the largest. Best to study your Bible for yourself and prayerfully ask God to guide you to the church He wants you to be part of. God does not want us alone and wants us to be in one accord and having a church family is really important and a blessing.

Keeping the Sabbath is simple. It is God's holy day Isa 58:13, that He also wants us to keep holy Exo 20:8 and we do that from resting from works and labors Exo 20:9 and keeping the Sabbath day focused on God. Isa 58:13 I do that by going to church, praying, reading the Bible, getting out in nature appreciating all that God made for us without us and trying to do good like helping the elderly or people in need. The Sabbath is meant to be a blessing Isa 56:2 so God can give us His sanctification Eze 20:12 and to spiritually rest in Him. Since I started keeping the Sabbath it has changed my life for the better. Its not always easy, but obeying God the way God asks will always be right.

This is one of my favorite verses in the Bible. Not many places in the Bible show how we join ourselves to the Lord, to serve Him and God relates to keeping the Sabbath as doing justice and righteousness which is the foundation of His throne Psa 89:14

Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—

7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”

You might be interested in this video that will hopefully shed some light on the SDA church

God bless!

Thanks. I am going to listen to the full video later. I know about Doug Batchelor, I had a couple of his books from Amazing Facts. I also have a booklet from Joe Crews, who writes for AF as well. I am already to worship on the Sabbath IF God moves me in that direction because I already am inclined that direction.

I have watched videos from Amazing Facts before. When I first clicked on the video it was already near its end and I listened to it. I will listen to the full 30 minutes later. When I was younger, I read the whole ten volume Bible Story Books from Arthur Maxwell. I really enjoyed it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Thanks. I am going to listen to the full video later. I know about Doug Batchelor, I had a couple of his books from Amazing Facts. I also have a booklet from Joe Crews, who writes for AF as well. I am already to worship on the Sabbath IF God moves me in that direction because I already am inclined that direction.

I have watched videos from Amazing Facts before. When I first clicked on the video it was already near its end and I listened to it. I will listen to the full 30 minutes later. When I was younger, I read the whole ten volume Bible Story Books from Arthur Maxwell. I really enjoyed it.

Joe Cruz used to own Amazing Facts but when he died, he passed it over to Doug Batchelor. We are very blessed to have some great speakers. I listen to Pastor Doug's sermons all the time. Feel free to reach out if you ever want to chat.

God bless!

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

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Joe Cruz used to own Amazing Facts but when he died, he passed it over to Doug Batchelor. We are very blessed to have some great speakers. I listen to Pastor Doug's sermons all the time. Feel free to reach out if you ever want t

Joe Cruz used to own Amazing Facts but when he died, he passed it over to Doug Batchelor. We are very blessed to have some great speakers. I listen to Pastor Doug's sermons all the time. Feel free to reach out if you ever want to chat.

God bless!

I own three books from Samuele Bacchicohi and my favorite was his book on the timing of the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

Joe Cruz used to own Amazing Facts but when he died, he passed it over to Doug Batchelor. We are very blessed to have some great speakers. I listen to Pastor Doug's sermons all the time. Feel free to reach out if you ever want to chat.

God bless!

I read Samuelle's book on the day of the crucifixion and resurrection often. It's one of my favorites, but I don't agree with him on some of his points. But I do believe Jesus was crucified on a Friday and raised from the dead on a Sunday. I don't buy into the story that "three days and three nights" is an idiom. I believe it is a scribal gloss or emendation because it creates contradictions elsewhere in the Gospels and I Corinthians 15. I do not believe it is an idiom as many claim. However, it is a certainty that Jesus was crucified on a Friday.

I have DID, and sometimes I am a different person altogether, and one of them is an atheist. Another one is a polytheist. I am a theist, at least right now I am. These different personalities take similar views on this topic, but the polytheist and the atheist call the 3d and 3n a contradiction. Only the theist, sometimes a Sabbath keeping theist, holds to this as resolved in favor of the scribal emendation theory. I believe some scribe, very early in the textual transmission of Matthew 12, emended or glossed the text, leaving us with what we have today. I can't prove it, but I believe it over the alternative theories.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I read Samuelle's book on the day of the crucifixion and resurrection often. It's one of my favorites, but I don't agree with him on some of his points. But I do believe Jesus was crucified on a Friday and raised from the dead on a Sunday. I don't buy into the story that "three days and three nights" is an idiom. I believe it is a scribal gloss or emendation because it creates contradictions elsewhere in the Gospels and I Corinthians 15. I do not believe it is an idiom as many claim. However, it is a certainty that Jesus was crucified on a Friday.

I have DID, and sometimes I am a different person altogether, and one of them is an atheist. Another one is a polytheist. I am a theist, at least right now I am. These different personalities take similar views on this topic, but the polytheist and the atheist call the 3d and 3n a contradiction. Only the theist, sometimes a Sabbath keeping theist, holds to this as resolved in favor of the scribal emendation theory. I believe some scribe, very early in the textual transmission of Matthew 12, emended or glossed the text, leaving us with what we have today. I can't prove it, but I believe it over the alternative theories.

I am sorry to hear you are dealing with this. I will keep you in my prayers.

 

[Saber Truth Tiger]

I am sorry to hear you are dealing with this. I will keep you in my prayers.

I would love to talk with you one day about the Sabbath. Just not now.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I would love to talk with you one day about the Sabbath. Just not now.

I'm here when you're ready. You can PM me as well.

God bless!