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BREAKING: 'Targeted Terror Attack' Hits Boulder, Colorado, During Pro-Israel Gathering

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I'm just pointing out the reality of situation. If you want to whine about stolen land then whine about how every nation and people in them live on stolen land.

And lets just say the land is stolen. Who exactly do we give it back to?
Depends on the history. In the case of Israel-Palestine there are still living people whos land was stolen. People whos parents had actual land titles they would have inherited, and not vague historical claims.

In the USA, it seems to me that Indigenous land claims are at least as valid as European Jews claims were on the land of Israel during the rise of zionism. Whats the salient distinction there? I dont see one.

The entire argument about stolen land is a ridiculous one when it comes to nations and nation building.
That pretty much negates the main rationale for Israel as a suitable Jewish homeland based on ancient history.

In your analysis, this is an arena of human action for which no morality applies. Its might makes right and Aleister Crowley's prescription: do what thou wilt.

I actually want to support Israel's right to exist in an almost instinctive way. But when I try to fit that into a moral framework, it never seem to quite work. Maybe its an admission that underneath it all we're just animals and we should just let the ones with the sharpest claws win.
 
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I wonder how quickly "all lives matter" has been forgotten. During the George Floyd riots, the "Black lives matter" slogan was deemed racist and countered with "all lives matter".
Well apparently all lives matter except Palestinian paramedics, Palestinian children and civilians . Their lives don't matter.
 
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Depends on the history. In the case of Israel-Palestine there are still living people whos land was stolen. People whos parents had actual land titles they would have inherited, and not vague historical claims.
Historical claims go back thousands of years. So who had their land actually stolen? The ones who had land titles were allowed to keep them when Israel was formed.
In the USA, it seems to me that Indigenous land claims are at least as valid as European Jews claims were on the land of Israel during the rise of zionism. Whats the salient distinction there? I dont see one.
How do Native America have a claim id stolen land. They had no land titles.
That pretty much negates the main rationale for Israel as a suitable Jewish homeland based on ancient history.

In your analysis, this is an arena of human action for which no morality applies. Its might makes right and Aleister Crowley's prescription: do what thou wilt.
My analysis is perfectly accurate. It directly speaks to how humans have operated since the beginning of time.

Its not a MORAL judgement. I am not making a moral argument. I am simply stating a fact.

In this case Israel had the land long before the Palestinians. They were conquered more than once and the conquerors had the land. Now they have it. It is now the nation of Israel. A s if the claim is the land is stolen, then the claim must be they need to give it back. Give it back to whom?

And are you now going to demand that all nations everywhere give the land they supposedly stole back to someone? Or are you just going to whine about the Isrealis?
I actually want to support Israel's right to exist in an almost instinctive way. But when I try to fit that into a moral framework, it never seem to quite work. Maybe its an admission that underneath it all we're just animals and we should just let the ones with the sharpest claws win.
That is exactly what has happened over the history of humanity. Based upon morality alone then the land belongs to the Jews and has belonged to them for thousands of years. It was stolen from them. Just because some conqueror came in and took it and eventually other conquerors sold land to others, doesn't remove the original claim. So if you are dealing only with morality then thats where you must stand.

But the TRUTH is the land belongs to whomever has it and controls it. In the case of modern Israel they took the land from no one.

Its nonsensical to consider that anyone give land back to another.
 
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Okay we have gone way OFF the topic now. So I'm not going to continue this line of discussion. You all may have the last word.

In the case if tye OP, we still have am illegal who was here, who attacked Americans as a terrorist attack. He is a prime example why we should be be sending all illegals back to their home land.
 
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Not ambulances or paramedics, not hungry civilians and not European diplomats.
And all these shooting incidents are severe breaching of the international Law.
Exactly, it is Hamas shooting back...
 
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Exactly, it is Hamas shooting back...
The cruel terrorists of Hamas aren't shooting very hard.
On the 7th october 2023 they killed 1195 people in their barbaric attack.
Since then IDF has killed 54 000 people, including 224 first responders and rescue workers.
In total we mourn 1706 Israeli victims (which includes the ones of the original terrorist attack). The balance of casualties is just a little bit out of balance.
 
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The cruel terrorists of Hamas aren't shooting very hard.
On the 7th october 2023 they killed 1195 people in their barbaric attack.
Since then IDF has killed 54 000 people, including 224 first responders and rescue workers.
In total we mourn 1706 Israeli victims (which includes the ones of the original terrorist attack). The balance of casualties is just a little bit out of balance.

I wonder how many were killed by the response because some people did some things in September 24 years ago.
 
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Family of Boulder firebombing suspect taken into federal custody, visas revoked: sources

Mohamed Sabry Soliman’s wife and five children are in federal custody, sources confirm​

Judge blocks deportation of Boulder attacker's family

U.S. District Judge Gordon P. Gallagher granted a request from the family of Mohamed Sabry Soliman to block their deportation, after U.S. immigration officials took them into federal custody Tuesday.

"The court finds that deportation without process could work irreparable harm and an order must issue without notice due to the urgency this situation presents," Gallagher wrote in the order.

Earlier Wednesday, authorities raised the number of people injured in the attack from 12 to 15, plus a dog.
 
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Judge blocks deportation of Boulder attacker's family

U.S. District Judge Gordon P. Gallagher granted a request from the family of Mohamed Sabry Soliman to block their deportation, after U.S. immigration officials took them into federal custody Tuesday.

"The court finds that deportation without process could work irreparable harm and an order must issue without notice due to the urgency this situation presents," Gallagher wrote in the order.

Earlier Wednesday, authorities raised the number of people injured in the attack from 12 to 15, plus a dog.
Of course! Another liberal Judge appointed by Biden...who woulda guessed? :rolleyes:
 
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The cruel terrorists of Hamas aren't shooting very hard.
On the 7th october 2023 they killed 1195 people in their barbaric attack.
Since then IDF has killed 54 000 people, including 224 first responders and rescue workers.
In total we mourn 1706 Israeli victims (which includes the ones of the original terrorist attack). The balance of casualties is just a little bit out of balance.
So you want a 1:1 death count...I see :rolleyes::doh::rolleyes:
 
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So you want a 1:1 death count...I see :rolleyes::doh::rolleyes:
I don't know if this post deserves to be reported a a break of the rules, but it is by any means a despicable post.
 
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I don't know if this post deserves to be reported a a break of the rules, but it is by any means a despicable post.
Um YOU were the one who brought up "the balance of casualties is just a little bit out of balance." I assumed you meant you preferred a 1:1 equal casualty rate??
 
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Um YOU were the one who brought up "the balance of casualties is just a little bit out of balance." I assumed you meant you preferred a 1:1 equal casualty rate??
It would be good that you stopped that kind of despicable insinuations.
 
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It would be good that you stopped that kind of despicable insinuations.
Then what kind of "balance" do you think would be acceptable? Hamas kills 1200 people and kidnaps 200 more. What would have a balanced response looked like to you?
 
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Trump announces travel ban and restrictions on 19 countries set to go into effect Monday

In a video released on social media, Trump tied the new ban to Sunday's terror attack in Boulder, Colorado, saying it underscored the dangers posed by some visitors who overstay visas.

But Egypt is not on the list.

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Yup I noticed that. And I dont understand it. How about we ban travelers from countries that have actually killed Americans in terrorist manner. Let's do that.
 
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Yup I noticed that. And I dont understand it. How about we ban travelers from countries that have actually killed Americans in terrorist manner. Let's do that.
We’re not going to do that Saudi Arabia and Israel.
 
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Yup I noticed that. And I dont understand it. How about we ban travelers from countries that have actually killed Americans in terrorist manner. Let's do that.
The president has personal interests with the Saudis. So theres that. I know he has some good vibes with Egypts Sisi too.
 
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