If you tithe have you considered the tithe for the poor

[FutureAndAHope]

I was looking into biblical tithing for the needy in today’s reading (we do a daily scripture reading). It turns out there were 3 types of tithes. The first is for the priests of 10%, a second of 10% for rejoicing before the LORD in festivals, and a third of 3.33% for the poor and needy.

1. The Levitical Tithe (First Tithe)

• Reference: Numbers 18:21-24; Leviticus 27:30-33
• Purpose: Given to the Levites for their service in the Tabernacle/Temple since they had no inheritance of land.
• Amount: 10% of all produce and livestock.

2. The Festival Tithe (Second Tithe)

• Reference: Deuteronomy 14:22-27
• Purpose: Set aside for religious festivals, especially to be consumed in Jerusalem during the feasts (Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc.).
• Amount: Another 10% annually.
• Note: This tithe was consumed by the family itself in the presence of God, as a way of rejoicing and honoring Him.

3. The Poor Tithe (Third Tithe or Tithe for the Needy)

• Reference: Deuteronomy 14:28-29; 26:12
• Purpose: Every third year, this tithe was given to support the poor, widows, orphans, and foreigners.
• Amount: 10%, but only once every 3 years, so averaged over 3 years, it's about 3.33% annually.

If you tithe, have you considered tithing to the needy as shown in scripture?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Giving is really important

Acts 20:35 In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

Psa 115:5 It is well with the man who deals generously and lends; who conducts his affairs with justice.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I was looking into biblical tithing for the needy in today’s reading (we do a daily scripture reading). It turns out there were 3 types of tithes. The first is for the priests of 10%, a second of 10% for rejoicing before the LORD in festivals, and a third of 3.33% for the poor and needy.

1. The Levitical Tithe (First Tithe)

• Reference: Numbers 18:21-24; Leviticus 27:30-33
• Purpose: Given to the Levites for their service in the Tabernacle/Temple since they had no inheritance of land.
• Amount: 10% of all produce and livestock.

2. The Festival Tithe (Second Tithe)

• Reference: Deuteronomy 14:22-27
• Purpose: Set aside for religious festivals, especially to be consumed in Jerusalem during the feasts (Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc.).
• Amount: Another 10% annually.
• Note: This tithe was consumed by the family itself in the presence of God, as a way of rejoicing and honoring Him.

3. The Poor Tithe (Third Tithe or Tithe for the Needy)

• Reference: Deuteronomy 14:28-29; 26:12
• Purpose: Every third year, this tithe was given to support the poor, widows, orphans, and foreigners.
• Amount: 10%, but only once every 3 years, so averaged over 3 years, it's about 3.33% annually.

If you tithe, have you considered tithing to the needy as shown in scripture?

All your references are Old Covenant Mosaic law commands. Under the New Covenant came a new way to collect and distribute donations.

Acts 4:32-37
"Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. With great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each as any had need. Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet."

It is pretty clear if one sells everything they have and laid it upon the Apostles feet for distribution among the needy there would be no funds to give to as " tides" as described in the Old Testament.
Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Tithing is not just Old Covenant

Mal 3:8 “Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, ‘In what way have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings.

Jesus taught on tithing

Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Many believe this verse is saying we don't have to tithe, but Jesus said we should not neglect the weightier matters of the law without leaving the others (tithes) undone.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

All your references are Old Covenant Mosaic law commands. Under the New Covenant came a new way to collect and distribute donations.

Acts 4:32-37
"Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. With great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each as any had need. Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet."

It is pretty clear if one sells everything they have and laid it upon the Apostles feet for distribution among the needy there would be no funds to give to as " tides" as described in the Old Testament.
Blessings

Most people don't have excess land or houses to sell. But all of us can tithe.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Most people don't have excess land or houses to sell. But all of us can tithe.

God blesses when we do. Its not why I tithe, but He has taken care of me and my family. Its a promise of Scripture


Luke 6:38 Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.”

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Most people don't have excess land or houses to sell. But all of us can tithe.

Actually, that is not the point here. The point is giving to those who are in need. Old Testament tithing law is obsolete under the New Covenant. That being said, it is of no consequence if one believes otherwise.
Blessings

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Actually, that is not the point here. The point is giving to those who are in need. Old Testament tithing law is obsolete under the New Covenant. That being said, it is of no consequence if one believes otherwise.
Blessings

Where does it say that in the Scripture? Its not something Jesus taught.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Tithing is not just Old Covenant

Mal 3:8 “Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, ‘In what way have we robbed You?’ In tithes and offerings.

Jesus taught on tithing

Mat 23:23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Many believe this verse is saying we don't have to tithe, but Jesus said we should not neglect the weightier matters of the law without leaving the others (tithes) undone.

The New Covenant starts after Jesus Christ of Nazareth rose from the dead, ascended and released His Holy Spirit.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The New Covenant starts after Jesus Christ of Nazareth rose from the dead, ascended and released His Holy Spirit.

This is always such a sad teaching. Basically it eliminates the life of Jesus and He only being good for His death. No, Jesus is the way, the life, the truth John 14:6 and lived to be our example to follow 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 which would be sort of hard if we are to ignore His life and teachings.

His covenant was ratified by His death, but living by His every Word, very much applies to those who are abiding in Him John 15:4,5,10 1 John 2:6 Mat 4:4

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Where does it say that in the Scripture? Its not something Jesus taught.

While Jesus Christ of Nazareth, living under the Old Covenant, acknowledged tithing for those under the Law, the New Covenant, fully inaugurated by His death and resurrection, shifts the emphasis for believers. Here are scriptures to guild us:

2 Corinthians 9:7: "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

1 Corinthians 16:2: "On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever he can afford, so that collections need not be made when I come."

Like I said, it is of no consequence. I know this is a point of contention for some.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

While Jesus Christ of Nazareth, living under the Old Covenant, acknowledged tithing for those under the Law, the New Covenant, fully inaugurated by His death and resurrection, shifts the emphasis for believers. Here are scriptures to guild us:

2 Corinthians 9:7: "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."

1 Corinthians 16:2: "On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever he can afford, so that collections need not be made when I come."

Like I said, it is of no consequence. I know this is a point of contention for some.

Jesus could not be our example to follow 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 if He lived under the "old covenant" The New Testament means New Covenant- Jesus lived in the New Testament (See Mat 1:16) and ratified His covenant by His blood.. A Christian means being a follower of Christ. The NT did not delete the whole OT either.

One of the saddest teachings of people imo, is making Christ's life teachings and example meaningless and He was only good for what He did for us by His death. I think we all need to humble ourselves like Mary M did at the feet of Jesus hanging by His every Word.

I believe robing God Mal 3:8 Mat 23:23, will have some consequences and we do not choose what is a consequence or not, that's up to God. But I can see how if one believes what Jesus lived and taught was old, would not also see all the warnings He gives us through His teachings, which seems like a terrible idea to me, but sad what so many people believe.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Jesus could not be our example to follow 1 John 2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 if He lived under the "old covenant" The New Testament means New Covenant- Jesus lived in the New Testament (See Matthew the first book of the NT) and being a Christian means being a follower of Christ. This is one of the saddest teachings of people, making Christ's life and teachings meaningless and only good for what He can do for us by His death.

I beleive robing God Mal 3:8 Mat 23:23, will have some consequences and we do not choose what is a consequence or not, that's up to God. But we are given free will to test any theory we want.

Thanks for sharing!

 

[Richard T]

All your references are Old Covenant Mosaic law commands. Under the New Covenant came a new way to collect and distribute donations.

Acts 4:32-37
"Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common. With great power the apostles were giving testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all. There was not a needy person among them, for as many as were owners of lands or houses sold them and brought the proceeds of what was sold and laid it at the apostles' feet, and distribution was made to each as any had need. Thus Joseph, who was also called by the apostles Barnabas (which means son of encouragement), a Levite, a native of Cyprus, sold a field that belonged to him and brought the money and laid it at the apostles' feet."

It is pretty clear if one sells everything they have and laid it upon the Apostles feet for distribution among the needy there would be no funds to give to as " tides" as described in the Old Testament.
Blessings

I think all tithes are from income not from accumulated wealth. Nonetheless, you are correct to point out what the early church did. I would ask though who are the "apostles feet" of today?

 

[Maria Billingsley]

I think all tithes are from income not from accumulated wealth. Nonetheless, you are correct to point out what the early church did. I would ask though who are the "apostles feet" of today?

No one.

 

[Jerry N.]

I was looking into biblical tithing for the needy in today’s reading (we do a daily scripture reading). It turns out there were 3 types of tithes. The first is for the priests of 10%, a second of 10% for rejoicing before the LORD in festivals, and a third of 3.33% for the poor and needy.

1. The Levitical Tithe (First Tithe)

• Reference: Numbers 18:21-24; Leviticus 27:30-33
• Purpose: Given to the Levites for their service in the Tabernacle/Temple since they had no inheritance of land.
• Amount: 10% of all produce and livestock.

2. The Festival Tithe (Second Tithe)

• Reference: Deuteronomy 14:22-27
• Purpose: Set aside for religious festivals, especially to be consumed in Jerusalem during the feasts (Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles, etc.).
• Amount: Another 10% annually.
• Note: This tithe was consumed by the family itself in the presence of God, as a way of rejoicing and honoring Him.

3. The Poor Tithe (Third Tithe or Tithe for the Needy)

• Reference: Deuteronomy 14:28-29; 26:12
• Purpose: Every third year, this tithe was given to support the poor, widows, orphans, and foreigners.
• Amount: 10%, but only once every 3 years, so averaged over 3 years, it's about 3.33% annually.

If you tithe, have you considered tithing to the needy as shown in scripture?

This is very interesting, and I have not considered this before. My wife and I don’t have a congregation, so we tithe to what we consider efficient and legitimate causes. However, I was wondering if the taxes to the king were above and beyond this 23.3 % tithe. Without priest and the temple, is the tithe reduced to only 10%? If you have a church to support, do you tithe 10% to the church and 3.3% or more to the poor?

On the other hand, I have come across writers that claim that helping the poor means giving them every bit of money you have above what you need to survive. I own several shirts. If I buy a new shirt rather than give that money to some starving person in Sudan, have I done wrong, even if I have already tithed to the poor?

 

[Richard T]

This is very interesting, and I have not considered this before. My wife and I don’t have a congregation, so we tithe to what we consider efficient and legitimate causes. However, I was wondering if the taxes to the king were above and beyond this 23.3 % tithe. Without priest and the temple, is the tithe reduced to only 10%? If you have a church to support, do you tithe 10% to the church and 3.3% or more to the poor?

On the other hand, I have come across writers that claim that helping the poor means giving them every bit of money you have above what you need to survive. I own several shirts. If I buy a new shirt rather than give that money to some starving person in Sudan, have I done wrong, even if I have already tithed to the poor?

Why live by the law, when you have grace? There is no direct tithing admonishment in the NT. Instead,
II Cor 9:6 "But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully."
With Jesus as Lord you are to give him everything. A 10% tithe is a good place to start but it can be above or even below this. As you have the Holy Spirit he can lead one too in where and how much to give. Too many are under condemnation for their giving.

To Tithe or Not to Tithe? A New Testament Guide to Generous Giving - Christ and Culture

Should you tithe? The New Testament doesn't prescribe fixed amount for believersâ giving, but it does offer timeless giving principles.

cfc.sebts.edu

 

[Jerry N.]

Why live by the law, when you have grace? There is no direct tithing admonishment in the NT. Instead,
II Cor 9:6 "But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully."
With Jesus as Lord you are to give him everything. A 10% tithe is a good place to start but it can be above or even below this. As you have the Holy Spirit he can lead one too in where and how much to give. Too many are under condemnation for their giving.

To Tithe or Not to Tithe? A New Testament Guide to Generous Giving - Christ and Culture

Should you tithe? The New Testament doesn't prescribe fixed amount for believersâ giving, but it does offer timeless giving principles.

cfc.sebts.edu

Thank you for your reply. I agree with you in general, but I still wonder about the details. Do Jews in Israel still tithe 10%? There is also the problem with people making other people feel guilty to get more donations to their causes. There are thousands of good causes, and it is hard not to feel sympathetic to others suffering. The balance is hard to find. The “extra” 3.33% to the poor is interesting, but I don't know if it indicates anything significant. The article helps.

 

[Sam91]

My son just begun to tithe out of his pocket money earlier this year. He got curious a few months after getting money more reliably. Told him old testament Bible recommends 10%. Guess I told him wrong.

Was amazed at how money started coming at him from multiple sources in the initial weeks. I would have made sure he wasn't losing out anyway but didn't have to. His gran didn't see him to give him his £5 pocket money last week but he found a pound and asked to go to the shop. I suggested he perhaps should put it in the offering because a couple weeks running he spent all his pocket money and forgot to put anything in the offering. Not that he had to put it in but he but he gladly did it. Well, this week I was offered free tickets for us to see a world class violinist play with our national orchestra. This was to a concert he has been saying for 5 weeks he wanted to go to but I hadn't done anything about as I hadn't made up my mind whether he was going to go. He wasn't going to go as had a lot of expenses lately and I had held off too long making up my mind. We went last night.

He's been blessed so far a lot more than he's given.

 

[trophy33]

Today, people living in a developed nation pay much more than 10% on the poor, when the mandatory social and health insurance + all kind of taxes and inflation which pays the budget deficits are summed up. Any charity from their net salaries goes on the top of that.