Do any of you follow MAGA theology?

[Richard T]

I admit, I’m not up on it but I’m curious if any of you are aware of it and what it means. It sounds completely ridiculous to me. Nobody I know worships Trump or have replaced Jesus’ teachings with some sort of man made religion that idolizes and worships Trump.

I can find items discussing MAGA theology but nothing about who coined it and any real examples of people that supposedly follow this new cult. So I’m curious if any of you have seen outright examples of this so-called theology. Thanks!

Here is a chart of evangelical beliefs.

This is the nuts and bolts of the theology of the Trump supporters and how they believe with the charismatics associated with the New Apostolic Reformation leaders. aka dominionists, latter rain saints etc. I don't think many worship Trump they just see him as God sent, to bring God's will. Source: How Trumpism has pushed a fringe charismatic theology into the mainstream

 

[Josheb]

I’d certainly like to know where it originated.

The Left.

As a popular conservative talk show host in my neck of the woods puts it, "They're not Democrats, they're The Left."

 

[Josheb]

I think e can safely say that a strong majority of MAGA claim to be Christian. Can we not?

Yes

And many of them see trump as God's choice for America. No?

I do not know. I suspect that is true, but I also suspect the media portrayal is exaggerated and misunderstood.

Though I am not sure what percentage go the Christian Nationalist route.

I think Christian Nationalism is largely a premise manufactured and over generalized by the Left. Christian Nationalists do exist, but they are a very small portion of the US population, Christians in general, and nationalists of any variety.

If there is a MAGA theology I think it would look like Christian Nationalism.

Post the evidence. I'll consider it.




For the record, I am Christian and self-identify as conservative, fundamentalist, and evangelical and I did vote, reluctantly, for Trump but I do not like the man. I believe conservative political principles (the rule of law, small, limited, decentralized government, fiscal stewardship, suspicion of power, all institutions of society considered equal agents of change instead of the federal government being the sole or majority agent, gradual change legislated based on actual need and what has proven in the past to be effective rather than driven by ideological goals, etc.) serve the nation best.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The Left.

As a popular conservative talk show host in my neck of the woods puts it, "They're not Democrats, they're The Left."

Because they are what's left of the Democratic Party?

 

[rebornfree]

Here is a chart of evangelical beliefs.
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This is the nuts and bolts of the theology of the Trump supporters and how they believe with the charismatics associated with the New Apostolic Reformation leaders. aka dominionists, latter rain saints etc. I don't think many worship Trump they just see him as God sent, to bring God's will. Source: How Trumpism has pushed a fringe charismatic theology into the mainstream

I've never heard of the second one. Is it Biblical?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I've never heard of the second one. Is it Biblical?

I don't know, or care, but does it matter? The point of the thread is about the blending of Christian theology into "MAGA" politics, and especially the reverse.

 

[rebornfree]

I don't know, or care, but does it matter? The point of the thread is about the blending of Christian theology into "MAGA" politics, and especially the reverse.

Well, if something is being regarded as Christian then it ought to be Biblical. As for politics I don't like it being identifed with Christianity as God is far beyond any of our human enterprises.

 

[Richard T]

I've never heard of the second one. Is it Biblical?

If you are referring to the seven mountains of influence that Christians are to assert themselves it was a prophecy. If it goes against the bible, it might be argued that the focus is wrong. It's premise is based on the church gaining ruling power. So since that premise to many is wrong it seems unbiblical. However, as a stand alone goal, there is nothing wrong with church influencing things. So I guess it is up to an individual interpretation.

 

[Laodicean60]

I wonder if God establishes having authority structures in society but does not necessarily appoint the individuals, although he allows them as He has given mankind free will.

I believe this to be true because God already knows what they will do, including the president.

 

[Laodicean60]

I've never heard of the second one. Is it Biblical?

I've never heard any of this stuff, and in my youth, I used to listen to A LOT of TV types.

 

[Laodicean60]

I think e can safely say that a strong majority of MAGA claim to be Christian. Can we not?

I would say conservatives in general, maybe?

And many of them see trump as God's choice for America. No?

Yes, if you're a Christian and believe Rom 13:1, just like Biden was the choice last term.

 

[Josheb]

Because they are what's left of the Democratic Party?

I do not believe that is true. I know many Democrats who wholly disagree with the most radical end of the Democratic Party. They may be the left, but they are not the Left. It is true the Democrat Party has been infiltrated by Marxism, both knowingly or unwittingly, but that is also true of Libertarianism and the Republican Party. It is a matter of degree, not kind. That is why the term "statist" has been coined. There are people who think the state is the solution in both parties, more on the left than on the right, but they exist in both parties. That is also why so many on the right self-identify as conservatives and not necessarily Republicans.

 

[Hans Blaster]

I've never heard any of this stuff, and in my youth, I used to listen to A LOT of TV types.

Seven mountains dominionism is much newer than your youth.

 

[Tom8907]

No it produces the likes of Kat Kerr, Paula White, etc.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I do not believe that is true. I know many Democrats who wholly disagree with the most radical end of the Democratic Party. They may be the left, but they are not the Left. It is true the Democrat Party has been infiltrated by Marxism, both knowingly or unwittingly, but that is also true of Libertarianism and the Republican Party. It is a matter of degree, not kind. That is why the term "statist" has been coined. There are people who think the state is the solution in both parties, more on the left than on the right, but they exist in both parties. That is also why so many on the right self-identify as conservatives and not necessarily Republicans.

Perhaps you are right. But I will say that propping AOC to become the new face of the Democratic Party isn't helping their image at all.

 

[bèlla]

If you have access to Netflix The Family documentary covers the subject well and explains the marriage between politics and religion. It’s a global movement that isn’t limited to MAGA.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If you have access to Netflix The Family documentary covers the subject well and explains the marriage between politics and religion. It’s a global movement that isn’t limited to MAGA.

"The Family" is part of the overall pattern toward Christian nationalism and theocracy, but The Family is an elitist organization. The conversation between politics and theology represented by "MAGA theology" is a populist movement.

 

[Josheb]

Perhaps you are right. But I will say that propping AOC to become the new face of the Democratic Party isn't helping their image at all.

I completely agree but I also do not believe that will happen - at least not for a while. She's a fool. I mean a real, bona fide, actual fool. She's a would-be Marxist but she gets Marxism wrong. Her identity and position are a matter of extremist ideological propaganda, not personal integrity. She'd have to correctly know what she says and understand it before she'd get anywhere close to having any semblance of integrity in thought, word, and deed. She serves a function in that party's politics; nothing more. Perhaps she is earning some clout for future leverage, but I have never heard a single word out of her mouth that leads me to believe she's sufficiently intelligent.

Given an unfettered opportunity, an honest journalist could/would make mincemeat of her in seconds.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I agree but they are calling it theology. It helps with their accusations of idol worship and Trump.

MAGA is not a theology, and I do not know anyone who worships President Trump or thinks President Trump is equivalent to Jesus. Christians in America, regardless of their political views, believe Jesus is the son of God, and no one will replace Jesus.

However, the way we live our lives, the choices we make every day, and the people we associate with and support reflect who we are as Christians.

Eighty percent of American evangelicals have supported and voted for President Trump in three elections over the past nine years. While Christians profess Jesus as their savior and view Trump as a political leader, the wider world observes that many followers of Jesus support an individual with multiple divorces, allegations of sexual assault, and a history of dishonest, unethical behavior. This has led to a perception among non-believers that 80% of American Christians endorse a leader whose actions do not align with the moral teachings of Christ. Although some may attribute this perception to media bias or political opposition, the fact remains that the unbelieving global audience sees a significant portion of American Christians choosing President Trump as their representative, which influence their views on Christian values and behaviors.

There was a time when Christians in America valued the moral character of a leader and supported political figures based on their personal integrity. Today, the focus has shifted to obtaining desired policies regardless of the leaders' personal lives. While we might achieve our policy goals through the support of President Trump and other political leaders, this approach has consequences. We might win in worldly battel but risk compromising our Christian principles and how others perceive us.

It appears that the majority of evangelical Americans are accepting of this trade-off. They would prefer to achieve victory in worldly battles rather than consider how their choices and support reflect the representation of Jesus.

 

[Hans Blaster]

MAGA is not a theology, and I do not know anyone who worships President Trump or thinks President Trump is equivalent to Jesus. Christians in America, regardless of their political views, believe Jesus is the son of God, and no one will replace Jesus.

However, the way we live our lives, the choices we make every day, and the people we associate with and support reflect who we are as Christians.

Eighty percent of American evangelicals have supported and voted for President Trump in three elections over the past nine years. While Christians profess Jesus as their savior and view Trump as a political leader, the wider world observes that many followers of Jesus support an individual with multiple divorces, allegations of sexual assault, and a history of dishonest, unethical behavior. This has led to a perception among non-believers that 80% of American Christians endorse a leader whose actions do not align with the moral teachings of Christ. Although some may attribute this perception to media bias or political opposition, the fact remains that the unbelieving global audience sees a significant portion of American Christians choosing President Trump as their representative, which influence their views on Christian values and behaviors.

There was a time when Christians in America valued the moral character of a leader and supported political figures based on their personal integrity. Today, the focus has shifted to obtaining desired policies regardless of the leaders' personal lives. While we might achieve our policy goals through the support of President Trump and other political leaders, this approach has consequences. We might win in worldly battel but risk compromising our Christian principles and how others perceive us.

It appears that the majority of evangelical Americans are accepting of this trade-off. They would prefer to achieve victory in worldly battles rather than consider how their choices and support reflect the representation of Jesus.

MAGA theology is not stating that MAGA is a theology. It is about the injection of MAGA political ideology *into* Christian theology and church practice.