HOW WILL WE BE JUDGED UNDER THE LAW ?

[Dan Perez]

# 1 FOR / GAR , is a conjuncation

# 2 AS MANY AS / HOSOS , is a CORELATIVE PRONOUN , in the Nominaive Case , in the Plural

# 3 HAVE SINNED / HAMARTANO , is in the Aorist Tense , Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 4 WITH OUT LAW / ANOMOS , is a Adverb

# 5 SHALL / APOLLYMI , Future Tense , in the Middle Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 6 ALSO / KAI , is a Conjuncation

# 7 PERISH / Apollymi , in the Future Tense , in the Middle Voice , in the Indicative Mood , is in the Plural

# 8 WITH OUT LAW / Anomos , is a Adverb

# 9 AND / HAI , is a Conjunation

# 10 AS MANY AS / HSOS , is a Corraltive Pronoun , in the Nominative Case , in the Plural

# 11 HAVE SINNED / Hamartano , is n in Aorist Tense , in the Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood , and it means you believe IT

# 12 IN / EN , is a Preposition

# 13 THE LAW / NOMOS , is in the Dative Case , in the Singular

# 14 SHALL BE JUDGED / Krino , is in the Future Tense , in the Passive Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 15 BY / DIA , is a Prepostion

# 16 THE LAW / NOMOS , is in the Genitive Case , in the Singular .

And in Acts 15:10 , Now therefore , why do you TEST God , to put a YOKE upon the neck of the disciples which neither

or fathers NOR we have been ABLE to BEAR , and those says we have to keep the Law of Moses , ggod luck !

dan p

 

[BobRyan]

1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the Law"

1 Cor 6:7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.'

Seems pretty clear --

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty"

Not very complicated

Matt 19:
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Apparently it means what it says

 

[BobRyan]

Matt 5 -- it means what it says -- and then some

21 “You have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not commit murder’ and ‘Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.’ 22 But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. 23 Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering. 25 Make friends quickly with your opponent at law while you are with him on the way, so that your opponent may not hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I say to you, you will not come out of there until you have paid up the last cent.

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery’; 28 but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

31 “It was said, ‘Whoever sends his wife away, let him give her a certificate of divorce’; 32 but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

 

[BobRyan]

Rom 2 and judgment -

4 Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance? 5 But because of your stubbornness and unrepentant heart you are storing up wrath for yourself in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who will render to each person according to his deeds:

7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life;

8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation.

9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

11 For there is no partiality with God.


12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

 

[BobRyan]

We are judged by our fruits according to Christ in Matt 7 - "Those who hear My Words and do them ..."

 

[Spiritual Jew]

We are judged by our fruits according to Christ in Matt 7 - "Those who hear My Words and do them ..."

Of course. Our fruits reflect our faith or lack thereof. James talks about this in James 2 as well. He said faith without works is dead and that he showed his faith by his works. Makes sense. We are not saved by our works/fruits (Eph 2:8-10, Titus 3:5), but our works/fruits reflect what kind of faith we have (saving faith or dead faith).

 

[Clare73]

In the New Covenant we are not judged buy the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) law.

 

[BobRyan]

In the New Covenant we are not judged buy the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13) law.

until you read Rom 2

Rom 2:
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified

Where "The first commandment with a promise" in that Law - is "Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:1-2

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law" -- yes even in the NT

 

[Clare73]

until you read Rom 2

Read the context of Ro 2.

 

[BobRyan]

Read the context of Ro 2.

I did - it is Rom 1 - written to Christians.

The point remains

 

[Clare73]

I did - it is Rom 1 - written to Christians.

The point remains

Good luck with that. . .

 

[BobRyan]

Good luck with that. . .

Like reading the text and paying attention to details. See Romans 1 and you will find Christians there.

Read Rom 11 and you will find non-Jewish Christians there.

I also wish you good luck in reading the book of Romans.

 

[Clare73]

Like reading the text and paying attention to details. See Romans 1 and you will find Christians there.

Read Rom 11 and you will find non-Jewish Christians there.

I also wish you good luck in reading the book of Romans.

I'm sure you'll understand my adherence to the NC new commandment: love one another as I have loved you (Jn 13:34),

which one command is total fulfillment of the OT Decalogue.

 

[ARBITER01]

HOW WILL WE BE JUDGED UNDER THE LAW ?​

Gal 5:18 But if ye are led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

 

[BobRyan]

I'm sure you'll understand my adherence to the NC new commandment: love one another as I have loved you (Jn 13:34),

I don't pit one text against another.

John 13:34 was spoken before the cross.
Rom 13, James 2 -- all reference Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" after the cross.

Both forms are true. One does not cancel the other.

which one command is total fulfillment of the OT Decalogue.

Lev 19 did not cancel the Decalogue

 

[Clare73]

I don't pit one text against another.

John 13:34 was spoken before the cross.
Rom 13, James 2 -- all reference Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself" after the cross.

Both forms are true. One does not cancel the other.

Lev 19 did not cancel the Decalogue

I'm sure you'll understand if my focus is on Jesus' new command of the New Covenant: "love one another as I have loved you," (Jn 13:34)
rather than on the Decalogue of the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13), "do no harm."

 

[Dan Perez]

1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the Law"

1 Cor 6:7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.'

Seems pretty clear --

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty"

Not very complicated

Matt 19:
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Apparently it means what it says

1 John 3:4 - "SIN IS transgression of the Law"

1 Cor 6:7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.'

Seems pretty clear --

James 2:8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. 12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty"

Not very complicated

Matt 19:
16 And someone came to Him and said, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?” 17 And He said to him, “Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder;
You shall not commit adultery;
You shall not steal;
You shall not bear false witness;
19 Honor your father and mother;
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

Apparently it means what it says

And Paul says this in Rom 13:10 !!

Love does

until you read Rom 2

Rom 2:
11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified

Where "The first commandment with a promise" in that Law - is "Honor your father and mother" Eph 6:1-2

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the Law" -- yes even in the NT

And in Rom 13:10 where Paul is writting to Gentiles says : Love does NOT / OU is a Greek , Disujunative

Particile Negative , and NOTTTTTTT everrrrrrrr everrrrrr , work evil to ones Neghbor . therefore

love is the FULNESS of the LAW , period !!

dan p

 

[BobRyan]

I'm sure you'll understand if my focus is on Jesus' new command of the New Covenant: "love one another as I have loved you,"

New Covenant - is OT Jer 31:31-34 and is unchanged verbatim the same in NT - see Heb 8

So the long after Jesus makes His John 13:34 statement we still have "Love your neighbor as yourself " Rom 13, James 2.

The point remains.

(Jn 13:34)
rather than on the Decalogue of the obsolete Old Covenant (Heb 8:13), "do no harm."

James 2 quotes from the Decalogue
Rom 13 quotes from the Decalogue

Turns out -- it is still a sin to take God's name in vain -- no matter that that commandment in the Decalogue is is not quoted in the NT and no matter that God is not "one another"

 

[BobRyan]

Particile Negative , and NOTTTTTTT everrrrrrrr everrrrrr , work evil to ones Neghbor . therefore

love is the FULNESS of the LAW , period !!

dan p

God is not our "neighbor"

"Love God with all your heart" Deut 6:5 remains as Law just as Lev 19:18 just as all the Decalogue as Christ reminds us in Matt 19, and Matt 22, and Rom 13, and James 2 Long after Christ spoke those words in John 13 before the cross.

Love does not delete the Law of God - it establishes it showing it to be firmly grounded, immovable - in Love

Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

 

[Clare73]

New Covenant - is OT Jer 31:31-34 and is unchanged verbatim the same in NT - see Heb 8

And yet the LORD declares in Jer 31:31 that it is "a new covenant. . .not like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant."
And the LORD specifies what is new in Jer 31:33.

Are you unaware of these things?