DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED FOR DEAD , WHY ??

[Strong in Him]

DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE TO BE BAPTIZED FOR DEAD , WHY ??​

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[BelieveItOarKnot]

AND 1 Cor 15:29 , Else what shall they that do which are BAPTIZED for the DEAD , if the DEAD rise not at all

Why are they BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD ??

What say you ??

dan p

Col. 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

There are numerous scriptures that show the "dead" engaged in physical activity on earth i.e. people who haven't died physically.

Strict literalism is not the friend of spiritual understandings

 

[Dan Perez]

Col. 3:3
For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

There are numerous scriptures that show the "dead" engaged in physical activity on earth i.e. people who haven't died physically.

Strict literalism is not the friend of spiritual understandings

So far no one has answered 1 Cor 15:29 and I say that ROM 6:3 is the answer , your thoughts ?

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

So far no one has answered 1 Cor 15:29 and I say that ROM 6:3 is the answer , your thoughts ?

dan p

To find understandings every citing of baptism and dead and their applications needs to weigh in on the subject. And that's just the beginning of a journey. The jungle gets much thicker from there.

Baptism has 7 different methodologies and much more in application.

The dead actually being alive and doing things moves the needle entirely off literalism only, just for that one word.

So connecting 2 scriptures thinking that's some kind of answer is merely a personal line and imposition drawn in where no lines are necessary or required.

Do I think the early churches baptised as a physical exercise for those who had died? Uh, no. Not even remotely true. Yet there is a large cult that hang their doctrines from that rope.

There are cults that think John the Apostle is still alive based on Jesus' statement to Peter in John 21:22

Our own mind is the greatest obstacle to understandings

2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

And that would also include those who hadn't been born yet, to this day. ^^^

Needless to say, it's complicated. Pat answers are few. And raising the dead is not always as it appears on the surface

P.S. I suspect at some point people will sell skydiving through clouds and landing in the red sea as a fulfillment of

1 Corinthians 10:2
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

 

[Dan Perez]

To find understandings every citing of baptism and dead and their applications needs to weigh in on the subject. And that's just the beginning of a journey. The jungle gets much thicker from there.

Baptism has 7 different methodologies and much more in application.

The dead actually being alive and doing things moves the needle entirely off literalism only, just for that one word.

So connecting 2 scriptures thinking that's some kind of answer is merely a personal line and imposition drawn in where no lines are necessary or required.

Do I think the early churches baptised as a physical exercise for those who had died? Uh, no. Not even remotely true. Yet there is a large cult that hang their doctrines from that rope.

There are cults that think John the Apostle is still alive based on Jesus' statement to Peter in John 21:22

Our own mind is the greatest obstacle to understandings

2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

And that would also include those who hadn't been born yet, to this day. ^^^

Needless to say, it's complicated. Pat answers are few. And raising the dead is not always as it appears on the surface

P.S. I suspect at some point people will sell skydiving through clouds and landing in the red sea as a fulfillment of

1 Corinthians 10:2
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

And I only use the Greek words in the KJV , sorry that you disagree !!

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And I only use the Greek words in the KJV , sorry that you disagree !!

dan p

So did the translators. And don't know what that has to do with anything anyway.

We'd do more good to prove ourselves wrong than right in any case because it's far more obvious and undeniable

 

[Dan Perez]

To find understandings every citing of baptism and dead and their applications needs to weigh in on the subject. And that's just the beginning of a journey. The jungle gets much thicker from there.

Baptism has 7 different methodologies and much more in application.

The dead actually being alive and doing things moves the needle entirely off literalism only, just for that one word.

So connecting 2 scriptures thinking that's some kind of answer is merely a personal line and imposition drawn in where no lines are necessary or required.

Do I think the early churches baptised as a physical exercise for those who had died? Uh, no. Not even remotely true. Yet there is a large cult that hang their doctrines from that rope.

There are cults that think John the Apostle is still alive based on Jesus' statement to Peter in John 21:22

Our own mind is the greatest obstacle to understandings

2 Corinthians 5:14
For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

And that would also include those who hadn't been born yet, to this day. ^^^

Needless to say, it's complicated. Pat answers are few. And raising the dead is not always as it appears on the surface

P.S. I suspect at some point people will sell skydiving through clouds and landing in the red sea as a fulfillment of

1 Corinthians 10:2
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

And I gave you the answer in Rom 6:3 !!

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And I gave you the answer in Rom 6:3 !!

dan p

All scripture is connected

In addition and more importantly what do you assess baptism for the dead is?

Just citing scripture is one thing. How people read them varies, often dramatically

 

[Dan Perez]

All scripture is connected

In addition and more importantly what do you assess baptism for the dead is?

Just citing scripture is one thing. How people read them varies, often dramatically

And in Rom 6:3 reads :

# 1 KNOW YE NOT / ACNOEO , is in the Greek Presnt Tense , Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 2 THAT / HOTI , is a Conjuntion

# 3 MANY AS US / HOSOS , is a Corrative Pronoun , in the Greek Nominative Case , in the Plural

# 4 AS WERE BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , is in the Greek , Aorist Tense , in the Passive Voice , in the Indicative Mood ,

in the Plural .

# 5 INTO / EIS , is a Proposistion

# 6 JESUS / IESOUS , is in the Accusative Case , in the Singular

# 7 CHRIST / CHRISTOS , is also in the Accusative Case , in the Singular

# 8 WERE BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , is also in the Accusative Case , in the Signular

# 9 INTO / EIS , is a PREPOSTION

# 10 HIS / AUTOS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the Genitive Case , in the Singular

# 11 DEATH / THANATOS , is in the Accusative Case , in the Singular

And since MANY believe in WATER / HYDOR , and many say Baptism and Baptized seen to me to change .

Like in 1 Cor 10:2 where it was written , And ALL , were BAPTIZED / BAPTISO , unto Moses , in the Cloud

and in the SEA >

How did that happen ?

My answer is all were PLACED in to Moses , in the CLOUD / is called the SHEKINAH GLORY and the SEA is HUMANITY

And Christ is NOW seated at the RIGHT hand of the FATHER ,

And in verse 4 , Therefore we were BURIED , and How does that HAPPEN ,, TOGETHER , BAPTISMA // means PLACING

INTO the Death of Christ , you WILL NOT BE ESURRECTED .

dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

And in Rom 6:3 reads :

# 1 KNOW YE NOT / ACNOEO , is in the Greek Presnt Tense , Active Voice , in the Indicative Mood , in the Plural

# 2 THAT / HOTI , is a Conjuntion

# 3 MANY AS US / HOSOS , is a Corrative Pronoun , in the Greek Nominative Case , in the Plural

# 4 AS WERE BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , is in the Greek , Aorist Tense , in the Passive Voice , in the Indicative Mood ,

in the Plural .

# 5 INTO / EIS , is a Proposistion

# 6 JESUS / IESOUS , is in the Accusative Case , in the Singular

# 7 CHRIST / CHRISTOS , is also in the Accusative Case , in the Singular

# 8 WERE BAPTIZED / BAPTIZO , is also in the Accusative Case , in the Signular

# 9 INTO / EIS , is a PREPOSTION

# 10 HIS / AUTOS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the Genitive Case , in the Singular

# 11 DEATH / THANATOS , is in the Accusative Case , in the Singular

And since MANY believe in WATER / HYDOR , and many say Baptism and Baptized seen to me to change .

Like in 1 Cor 10:2 where it was written , And ALL , were BAPTIZED / BAPTISO , unto Moses , in the Cloud

and in the SEA >

How did that happen ?

My answer is all were PLACED in to Moses , in the CLOUD / is called the SHEKINAH GLORY and the SEA is HUMANITY

And Christ is NOW seated at the RIGHT hand of the FATHER ,

And in verse 4 , Therefore we were BURIED , and How does that HAPPEN ,, TOGETHER , BAPTISMA // means PLACING

INTO the Death of Christ , you WILL NOT BE ESURRECTED .

dan p

Well that's the thing isn't it?

You read only those "in Christ" will be raised/ressurected however that will not pass other scriptures that say all are resurrected (a much longer set of scriptures for example Eccl. 12:7 just to wet your whistle)

God gave all things to Christ. Everything God gave comes to Him.

There's also a resurrection to life and a resurrection of the opposes.

And just to make things even more interesting we're no better than any other given sinner. Romans 3:7

It's a snakey subject, generally speaking

 

[eleos1954]

Can you produce the words , that Baptism is a SYMBOL ??

dan p

Colossians 2:12 has the passage, “Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.” The verse exemplifies baptism as a symbolic burial ... obviously it is physically impossible to be buried with Jesus .... so it is symbolic.

 

[A New Dawn]

AND 1 Cor 15:29 , Else what shall they that do which are BAPTIZED for the DEAD , if the DEAD rise not at all

Why are they BAPTIZED FOR THE DEAD ??

What say you ??

dan p

During the New Testament times, there were many pagan religions, and most of the gentile converts came from those religions. Early in the life of the new church, many sought to bring some of the pagan rituals with them, and baptism for the dead was one of them. But those pagan religions didn’t believe in resurrection, so part of what Paul is doing is demonstrating the inconsistencies of practices like this one. Demonstrating why it is a false teaching from a false religion and why it has no place in the new Christian church.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

And I thought I gave it to you .

In Rom 6:3 reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED into CHRIST JESUS were BAPTIZED into

His Death , than explain how tou were BAPTIZED // PLACED into Christ and BAPTIZED // PLACED into His DEATH , PRAY TELL.

Here is the KICKER in verse 3 , that the GREEK word ( BAPTIZED ) in the GREEK TEXT is the GREEK word ,

BAPTISMA and this Greek WORD is used 22 times , from MATT 3 :7 and used in Eph 4:5 that says , ONE LORD

ONE FAITH , ONE // HEIS , and all the ONES are HEIS in the Greek text , and ONE BAPTISMA , and that ONE BAPTISMA

is the HOLY SPIRIT ,

Then in 1 Cor 10:2 And all were BAPTIZED TOGETHER , unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA , how where are three

baptized together ,

And what the CLOUD and SEA , represent ??

dan p

And in Rom 6:3 and still believe in BAPTISM or WATER BAPTISM , it sats

rom 6 is not water baptism.

It is spirit baptism, it is the act of God fulfilling what John the baptist said, Ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spriti

It is the act of God placing us into Jesus, into his death.. not into water. water is not in context.

if we put water in context., we destroy the whole passage

For do you not know that we were baptized (in water) Into his death)

which one is it. water or death.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Can you produce the words , that Baptism is a SYMBOL ??

dan p

try reading the greek

Baptism in the greek language did not always mean in water. that was a jewish idea according to the ceremonial washing (baptisms) if the jewish utensils.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Colossians 2:12 has the passage, “Having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead.” The verse exemplifies baptism as a symbolic burial ... obviously it is physically impossible to be buried with Jesus .... so it is symbolic.

Amen

It also says who baptized us

working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Who raised him from the dead. but the spirit of God

 

[Dan Perez]

Amen

It also says who baptized us

working of God, who raised him from the dead.

Who raised him from the dead. but the spirit of God

And Col 2:12 reads Buried together with Him , in the BAPTISM / is the Greek word BAPTISMA , what are your

thoughts Now and where is the Greek for Symbolic ?

dan p

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It’s not

And Col 2:12 reads Buried together with Him , in the BAPTISM / is the Greek word BAPTISMA , what are your

thoughts Now and where is the Greek for Symbolic ?

dan p

symbolic. I was literally baptized

The Greek word men’s to be placed into, immersed, plunged, overwhelmed

And it does not always men water

 

[Dan Perez]

It’s not

symbolic. I was literally baptized

The Greek word men’s to be placed into, immersed, plunged, overwhelmed

And it does not always men water

 

[Dan Perez]

And a verse that says , we are symbolically Baptized ??

Are you baptized with water , OR not with Water ?

And what about 1 Cor 10:2 says , And all were Baptized together unto to Moses In the Cloud and in the Sea !!

So wee they Baptized unto Moses ?

And Baptized in the Cloud ??

And How were they Baptized in the Sea , where there was Plenty of WATER / HYDOR ?

dan p

 

[A New Dawn]

And a verse that says , we are symbolically Baptized ??

Are you baptized with water , OR not with Water ?

And what about 1 Cor 10:2 says , And all were Baptized together unto to Moses In the Cloud and in the Sea !!

So wee they Baptized unto Moses ?

And Baptized in the Cloud ??

And Hw were they Baptized in the Sea , where there was Plenty of WATER / HYDOR ?

dan p

I don’t think he means that the baptism was symbolic, meaning it wasn’t really a baptism, but that baptism has a symbolic meaning. Your baptism is symbolic of dying Christ’s death and rising to new life.