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Trump Blinked

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Exactly right, my brother. It is just about impossible to really believe anything that the Chinese government says.
Under any other US president, your statement would be a given.
With Trump and his inclination to lie as if lying acts no different than an involuntary muscle, not so much.
 
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Under any other US president, your statement would be a given.
With Trump and his inclination to lie as if lying acts no different than an involuntary muscle, not so much.
Without any doubt at all in my mind, I absolutely disagree with your false characterization of President Donald Trump.
 
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Without any doubt at all in my mind, I absolutely disagree with your false characterization of President Donald Trump.
What "false characterization" of Trump? That he is a habitual liar?
 
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Without any doubt at all in my mind, I absolutely disagree with your false characterization of President Donald Trump.
I tend to agree with you but for (probably) vastly differing reasons:
President Trump considers himself the arbiter of “truth”: if he says something, it’s obviously “true”, because if it wasn’t true…he wouldn’t have said it.
 
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The company sells fewer products from China – around 15% of its overall items – than most retailers, so tariffs hurt it less than other businesses.
I’d be interested to know if that number includes their grocery business and, if so, how much it’s skewed by it. I’d be pretty surprised if their general merchandise section is only 15% chinese.
 
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Without any doubt at all in my mind, I absolutely disagree with your false characterization of President Donald Trump.
Are you saying he doesn't lie? This thread is about tariffs and so called deals he has done. It's been shown to you that he lied about them.

For heaven's sake, you can't keep ignoring this!
 
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Without any doubt at all in my mind, I absolutely disagree with your false characterization of President Donald Trump.
This does not look religious. At all.

Even Catholics are more critical about their own pope than the MAGA people about Trump.
 
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There is no 'deal'. Putting a pause on the high tariffs for 90 days is not a deal. It is, at best, the opening of negotiations.
You have to wonder who really pushed for the 90-day pause—my guess is it was the United States. It buys Washington more time to decide its next move and, in the short term, props up the stock market. To me, the Trump administration looked rattled, not strategic. Framing the delay as part of an elaborate master plan only lets them pull the wool over Americans’ eyes.
 
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I tend to agree with you but for (probably) vastly differing reasons:
President Trump considers himself the arbiter of “truth”: if he says something, it’s obviously “true”, because if it wasn’t true…he wouldn’t have said it.

Indeed. However, today's truth is different from yesterday's truth...or even the truth posted hours earlier on Truth Social.
 
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Are you saying he doesn't lie? This thread is about tariffs and so called deals he has done. It's been shown to you that he lied about them.

For heaven's sake, you can't keep ignoring this!
It has also been shown repeatedly what the deals are and that they will be negotiating for further deals. For heaven's sake, you ought not keep on ignoring that.
 
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Did you see the stock market today? It rocked, as I told you it would last week. Things are heading in the right direction, as I told you they would. By the end of August, my prediction will come true: The economy will be set to scale like a Elon Musk rocket ship. The ‘America first’ plan is coming together; President Trump just pulled off a move in Geneva that’s got the global elites shaking in their boots. The U.S. and China signed a 90-day tariff truce, slashing those crippling duties—ours from 145% to 30% on Chinese goods, theirs from 125% to 10% on American products. Trump’s calling it a “massive win” for American workers, and he’s dead right. This isn’t just a pause; it’s a power play, and as the NY Times said today, “Trump’s decision to impose, and then walk back, triple-digit tariffs on Chinese products over the past month demonstrated the power and global reach of U.S. trade policy.”

 
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It has also been shown repeatedly what the deals are

It has? I must have missed those posts.

Did you see the stock market today? It rocked, as I told you it would last week.
Today is Sunday. The market is closed today.


Things are heading in the right direction, as I told you they would.

DJIA and S&P 500 are both just shy of where they were when Trump took office.

This isn’t just a pause; it’s a power play, and as the NY Times said today, “Trump’s decision to impose, and then walk back, triple-digit tariffs on Chinese products over the past month demonstrated the power and global reach of U.S. trade policy.”

lol, you obviously didn’t read the rest of that NYT piece. Their whole point was that Trump backed down with little to show for the disruption. The very next sentence was ”But it was also another illustration of the limitations of Mr. Trump’s aggressive approach.”

 
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Did you see the stock market today? It rocked, as I told you it would last week. Things are heading in the right direction, as I told you they would. By the end of August, my prediction will come true: The economy will be set to scale like a Elon Musk rocket ship. The ‘America first’ plan is coming together; President Trump just pulled off a move in Geneva that’s got the global elites shaking in their boots. The U.S. and China signed a 90-day tariff truce, slashing those crippling duties—ours from 145% to 30% on Chinese goods, theirs from 125% to 10% on American products. Trump’s calling it a “massive win” for American workers, and he’s dead right. This isn’t just a pause; it’s a power play, and as the NY Times said today, “Trump’s decision to impose, and then walk back, triple-digit tariffs on Chinese products over the past month demonstrated the power and global reach of U.S. trade policy.”

Well, the US stock market is closed, but looking at market overseas for US futures:

Stock futures fell Sunday evening as investors responded to Moody’s downgrade of the U.S.′ credit rating.​
Futures tied to the Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 292 points, or 0.7%. S&P 500 futures pulled back 0.7%, while Nasdaq 100 futures lost 0.8%.​
Moody’s on Friday bumped the country’s rating down by one notch to Aa1 from Aaa, bringing the agency in line with its peers. The firm cited the financing challenges tied to the federal government’s growing budget deficit and the ramifications of rolling over existing U.S. debts in a period of high borrowing costs.​

The Stock Market isn't the economy. It goes up and down, working on fear and greed - greed for more money, fear of losing money.
 
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It has also been shown repeatedly what the deals are and that they will be negotiating for further deals. For heaven's sake, you ought not keep on ignoring that.
Yeah, 200 deals had been done. Oh, no...put a hold on that. It was a lie. They hadn't been done. But now he is going to do some deals. Ah, no. Hold on that as well. Apparently it's not possible to see everyone to make those deals. So now...'He said he thinks Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick “will be sending letters out” over the “next two or three weeks.”


That's nice. A letter. 'Dear India, I hope you're well. The weather is great here. Melania sends her love. Your tariffs will be 25%. Love, Donald'

Somebody in the not too distant future will make a musical about this. Actually, the technical name for the production will be a farce. The Brits are good at them. Younger people will confuse it for a documentary. Some of us will smile wistfully and tell them 'No. It actually happened exactly like that.'

They won't believe it. I know that for a fact. Because I have difficulty believing it now, as it actually happens.
 
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