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Supreme Court stays lower court ruling, allowing Trump transgender ban to proceed

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The Supreme Court on Tuesday sided with the Trump administration in lifting a lower court order that paused the Pentagon's transgender military ban from taking effect – allowing Trump's order and related policies to proceed, at least.

The high court ruling is a near-term victory for the White House, even as it did not address the underlying merits of the case or President Donald Trump's Jan. 27 executive order banning transgender service members from the U.S. military.

Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson would have denied the administration's appeal and kept the lower court injunction in place.

Another win for Trump.
 

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So stupid and wasteful. All that training and investment down the drain.
IMO, what is wasteful spending is doing sex change operations on those with gender dysphoria and paid for with taxpayers dollars.
 
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IMO, what is wasteful spending is doing sex change operations on those with gender dysphoria and paid for with taxpayers dollars.
If that has already been done, then that is more investment thrown away.
 
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IMO, what is wasteful spending is doing sex change operations on those with gender dysphoria and paid for with taxpayers dollars.
Way I look at that is as follows if a person is willing to pay for it on their own dime and serve with their birth gender until then then let them but you pay for it yourself. . I know that they are paid with tax dollars. HOWEVER. at the end of the day once they are paid it is their money to do with as they see fit, but no getting the operation for "free".
 
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If that has already been done, then that is more investment thrown away.
It's what in economics is called a sunk cost. The funds were already wasted the moment they were spent.
 
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It's what in economics is called a sunk cost. The funds were already wasted the moment they were spent.
Nonsense. These are trained professionals who do their jobs. Whether they are transgendered or not doesn't affect their performance.
 
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All I get is raping and breaking law (Trump) issues are fine . But private, none of Anyone's businesses is against the law. Anyone that's okay with this is worst, then their Trump/God.
If trump is a rapist, then Garcia is a human trafficking, wife beating MS-13 terrorist. Because Teump is being given the same "due process."
 
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Nonsense. These are trained professionals who do their jobs. Whether they are transgendered or not doesn't affect their performance.
In the military, it does affect their performance.
 
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In the military, it does affect their performance.

I am in the military and have never seen one, heard about one stationed on shore at the Norfolk Naval Station. One. I'm sure there's more but never encountered any. Perhaps in the Marines...

The Marine part is a joke. I always remember them obsessing over their makeup.

Another joke, cammo face paint.
 
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I am in the military and have never seen one, heard about one stationed on shore at the Norfolk Naval Station. One. I'm sure there's more but never encountered any. Perhaps in the Marines...

The Marine part is a joke. I always remember them obsessing over their makeup.

Another joke, cammo face paint.
Well then there should be no impact on the military to get rid of the trans.
 
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Well then there should be no impact on the military to get rid of the trans.

The Democrats didn't have a problem with Bill Clinton preventing them from serving.
 
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Nonsense. These are trained professionals who do their jobs. Whether they are transgendered or not doesn't affect their performance.
People get discharged for medical reasons all the time, for any number of different conditions. Funds that have been spent on previous training don’t factor into the decision.
 
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All I get is raping and breaking law (Trump) issues are fine . But private, none of Anyone's businesses is against the law. Anyone that's okay with this is worst, then their Trump/God.
What on earth are you talking about?
 
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Nonsense. These are trained professionals who do their jobs. Whether they are transgendered or not doesn't affect their performance.

That's not entirely true...

So if we unpack it by looking at transgender individual (both without, and with affirming care), and look at the prevalence of certain mental health situations

Per the NIH, without affirming care:
  • Anxiety disorders: Around 40-60% of transgender individuals report experiencing anxiety, compared to about 14% of the general U.S. adult population.
  • Depression: Around 30-50% of transgender people have been diagnosed with or experienced major depressive episodes, versus 7-10% in the general population.
  • Suicidal ideation: About 40% of transgender adults report having attempted suicide at some point in their lives, compared to roughly 4.6% in the general U.S. population.

With affirming care (per JAMA, 2023 American Journal of Psychiatry, and the NIH)
Condition
General Population
Trans people with affirming care
Depression (past year prevalence)​
~7–10%​
~19–31%​
Anxiety disorders​
~14%​
~28–32%​
Suicidal ideation​
~4.6%​
~22–28%​


So even for people who've received, what is currently considered the best treatment option available, by the advocates, we're still talking about
Triple the rates of depression
Double the rates of anxiety disorders
5x the rate of suicidal ideation

That is a cause for concern...

Not to mention, those things, as stand-alone diagnoses, can be disqualifying measures on their own in many cases.

Condition
Generally Disqualifying?
Waiver Possible?
Anxiety disorders
Yes — if current or recent, or if it required medication/therapy. Some isolated, resolved cases may be waiverable.​
Sometimes, if mild, well-documented as resolved, and no current symptoms.​
Depressive disorders
Yes — especially if there’s a history of major depressive disorder, multiple episodes, hospitalization, or recent symptoms.​
Sometimes, for mild, situational, well-resolved cases with good documentation.​
Suicidal ideation or attempts
Yes — a history of suicidal thoughts or behaviors is typically a hard disqualifier.​
Very rarely, and only in exceptional, historic, well-treated, and documented cases, usually with strong medical endorsements.​
 
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