Pro-Palestinian supporters at Columbia University confront Jews ‘to push them out of camp’

[civilwarbuff]

I'll leave you to continue to argue with your imagination.

Well, my 'imagination' can at least come up with a valid argument. But anyways have a good day.

 

[BCP1928]

Actually, this is what I was referring to:
#38
No, this is my original comment:
They became "The Squad". Went from being racists to being anti-semitic. Like a snake shedding its skin; it is still a snake.
We.....well, you were talking about Dixiecrats.
You were attempting to replace anti-semitic with anti-zionism. I pointed out that so called 'palestinians' believe they are the same and teach their children to hate Jews and that martyrdom in killing Jews is a good thing.....neither of which you have denied.

Why deny it? They do terrible things. But why "so-called" Palestinians?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Why deny it? They do terrible things. But why "so-called" Palestinians?

There is no nation called 'Palestine' therefore no 'palestinians'.

 

[BCP1928]

There is no nation called 'Palestine' therefore no 'palestinians'.

OK, I can just refer to them as the "indigenous inhabitants of the former Ottoman Palestine." How would that be?

 

[rjs330]

One need not rely on HAMAS propaganda or excuse their vicious behavior to see clearly that identifying anti-Zionism with anti-semitism is a lie primarily fostered by Christians.

Baloney. Anti-Zionism is just a cover for anti-Semitism. They don't just want Israel gone they want all the Jews dead. Thats as anti-semetic as it gets. And this kind of rhetoric and calls for violence were happening on our own campuses. Anything you ot other leftists do that espouses support and the lies of these evil people is nothing more than offering support for their anti-semetism. You might as well be offering support for the third Reich.

 

[rjs330]

In this case, the history of the modern state of Israel is well known and documented.

Yes and they've done little to nothing to deserve the hatred and murder they've been victims of.

 

[rjs330]

OK, I can just refer to them as the "indigenous inhabitants of the former Ottoman Palestine." How would that be?

They are not more indigenous than the Jews were. It was their land long before.

 

[Hans Blaster]

There is no nation called 'Palestine' therefore no 'palestinians'.

Is that like how there are no Kurds because there is no nation called Kurdistan?

 

[rjs330]

Keep repeating it but that doesn't make it true.

Of course it is.

Sure. Sure.

Yup. When you spout terrorist talking points you might want to check yourself.

Yes that's true. 70-80% of the dead are civilians in this case. Are those normal numbers?

Where did you get those numbers?

When was the last major attack they did? Not counting Oct 7, they've managed to kill a "staggering" 800 Israelis. Since Oct 7 the IDF has killed 50,000.
Your characterization is dramatic and wrong

I'm sure that if the US consistently launched missiles into Canada and you all had to build safe spaces for when tge sirens went off and you had to build an anti-misske defense system, well that would be no big deal because we killed only 800 Canadians despite all the attempts. Yeah who cares if a few Canadian citizens and children are killed by American suicide bombers.

Yes. I'm the one believing propaganda.

Yes you are. There is a depth of ignorance that is astounding. I think its its remarkable what Israel has done, when considering they are fighting a foe that looks like citizens and uses citizens and their homes as cover. Along with hospitals, emergency vehicles, schools and children's bedrooms.

You have NO idea how often Israeli government lies have been exposed do you? No. Not really.
You seem to be belabouring under the idea that Hamas is using human shields all the time and every attack by Israel is them blowing up human shields.
This is not reflective of reality.
https://www.btselem.org/topic/human_shields
Here is Israel's use of human shields.

Pretty distasteful hey?

No, I think them using citizens to try and talk to other citizens is a good move. People may be more willing to listen to one of their own.

Given the IDF's willingness to lie, what proof do you have that that took place?
Is it referring to this story? Where the heros shot at a guy in a wheelchair....with a tank?
HRW: Photos from Jenin: IDF Military Operations, 17

No that's not what I was referring to. And that photo is no real evidence of the claim 23 years ago. Meanwhile everyone on the planet knows how the terrorists operate. Lying, evil, wicked animals who will murder civilians to prevent them from going to the safe zones. Then who will hide with them.

And of course you are fighting the rigtheous fight.

Yup. I'm not fighting for evil, wicked terrorists who sneak into a country and torture, rape and murder men women and children. Sometimes deliberately burning them alive in their own houses. These weren't soldiers and there weren't soldiers their hiding among them shooting at the terrorists. Thats who you are fighting for.

Wow! That is incredibly convinient to just say that! And of course everyone ELSE is spouting propaganda...all those aid groups; those international bodies. They are all just shills of [checks notes] a backwater terrorist group.

Yes many are. I don't blame them for being anti-war. Its an ugly thing. But most of these groups are definately leftists anti-semites who support Israel being destroyed.

YOU are the one who dimisses ANY word critical of Israel as propaganda: Is that supposed to be the "intellectual high road"? pffft.

Yes intellectually vapid. Its not just ANY word critical of Israel. Its words that spread lies and terrorist propaganda that don't support. If you are spouting tge terrorists talking points, well....

I'm actually wanting to hear REPORTS about it. I've heard it HAS happenned and obviously, I find that pretty shameful.
Releasing hostages would be great. Assuming the hostages are alive.

Now how about Israel stops using Palestinians as human shields.

Yeah not much calls for that from them or the left. Just criticism of Israel.

Perhaps Hamas should stop using people as human shields. Maybe tgey should stop murdering those who tried to use the safety corridors. Maybe tgey should stop hiding in hospitals and mosques.

What a professorial proclamation.....and look at all the evidence you have to support.
At no point am I about to argue that Hamas are good upstanding people. They are also awful.

Hamas is worse than awful. They are just plain evil. More evil than you can grasp. And yet you support their propaganda.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Yes and they've done little to nothing to deserve the hatred and murder they've been victims of.

Israel has killed more than 50,000 civilians in Gaza over the past year and a half, destroyed nearly every structure in the area, and is now in the process of starving the remaining population. Does that justify murder? No, nothing does. But you cannot, with a straight face, say that there is no reason why anyone should hate them for that.

 

[BCP1928]

Baloney. Anti-Zionism is just a cover for anti-Semitism. They don't just want Israel gone they want all the Jews dead. Thats as anti-semetic as it gets. And this kind of rhetoric and calls for violence were happening on our own campuses. Anything you ot other leftists do that espouses support and the lies of these evil people is nothing more than offering support for their anti-semetism. You might as well be offering support for the third Reich.

So how come this "anti-semitism" only started after WWI? Jews and Muslims lived together in the region for centuries before that. Why isn't it common to all Muslims? How come so many Jews go along with it?

 

[rjs330]

Israel has killed more than 50,000 civilians in Gaza over the past year and a half, destroyed nearly every structure in the area, and is now in the process of starving the remaining population. Does that justify murder? No, nothing does. But you cannot, with a straight face, say that there is no reason why anyone should hate them for that.

I suppose all the German citizens had a reason to hate the Ameticans and British gor their deaths too.

By rhe way, rhe Palestinian Arabs hated the Jews long before. Thats why rhey have been trying to kill them for a very long h time.

 

[Lukaris]

The Israeli estimates are probably reliable of 20,000 combatant deaths out of the overall 50,000 deaths. This seems to properly explain the use of civilians as targets by the lowlife Hamas syndicate. I am no great booster of Israel but the Palestinians are under the coercive control of lowlife murderers who seem to know little else for their outlook on life.

Per Reuters:


The Palestinian Health Ministry figures do not differentiate between civilians and Hamas combatants, who do not wear formal uniform or carry separate identification.
Israel periodically estimates the number of Hamas fighters killed. Recent assessments put the number of Palestinian militant dead at 20,000. It says about one civilian was killed for every fighter, a ratio it blames on Hamas for using civilian facilities.
Israeli officials say such estimates are reached through a combination of counting bodies on the battlefield, intercepts of Hamas communications and intelligence assessments of personnel in targets that were destroyed.
Hamas has said Israeli estimates of its losses are exaggerated, without saying how many of its fighters have been killed.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestinians-has-israels-gaza-offensive-killed-2025-01-15/

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[civilwarbuff]

OK, I can just refer to them as the "indigenous inhabitants of the former Ottoman Palestine." How would that be?

Hey, whatever trips your trigger......

 

[BCP1928]

Yes and they've done little to nothing to deserve the hatred and murder they've been victims of.

Nobody deserves hatred and murder. But the fighting really began when the British and the French started carving up the Ottoman Empire and has been going on more or less constantly somewhere in the region since.

 

[rambot]

Of course it is.

Yup. When you spout terrorist talking points you might want to check yourself.

Where did you get those numbers?

I'm sure that if the US consistently launched missiles into Canada and you all had to build safe spaces for when tge sirens went off and you had to build an anti-misske defense system, well that would be no big deal because we killed only 800 Canadians despite all the attempts. Yeah who cares if a few Canadian citizens and children are killed by American suicide bombers.

Yes you are. There is a depth of ignorance that is astounding. I think its its remarkable what Israel has done, when considering they are fighting a foe that looks like citizens and uses citizens and their homes as cover. Along with hospitals, emergency vehicles, schools and children's bedrooms.

No, I think them using citizens to try and talk to other citizens is a good move. People may be more willing to listen to one of their own.



No that's not what I was referring to. And that photo is no real evidence of the claim 23 years ago. Meanwhile everyone on the planet knows how the terrorists operate. Lying, evil, wicked animals who will murder civilians to prevent them from going to the safe zones. Then who will hide with them.

Yup. I'm not fighting for evil, wicked terrorists who sneak into a country and torture, rape and murder men women and children. Sometimes deliberately burning them alive in their own houses. These weren't soldiers and there weren't soldiers their hiding among them shooting at the terrorists. Thats who you are fighting for.

Yes many are. I don't blame them for being anti-war. Its an ugly thing. But most of these groups are definately leftists anti-semites who support Israel being destroyed.

Yes intellectually vapid. Its not just ANY word critical of Israel. Its words that spread lies and terrorist propaganda that don't support. If you are spouting tge terrorists talking points, well....

Yeah not much calls for that from them or the left. Just criticism of Israel.

Perhaps Hamas should stop using people as human shields. Maybe tgey should stop murdering those who tried to use the safety corridors. Maybe tgey should stop hiding in hospitals and mosques.


Hamas is worse than awful. They are just plain evil. More evil than you can grasp. And yet you support their propaganda.

! Little help please;

How is it possible to be critical of the idf and thr Israeli government and NOT be listening to propaganda, in your mind?

 

[rjs330]

Nobody deserves hatred and murder. But the fighting really began when the British and the French started carving up the Ottoman Empire and has been going on more or less constantly somewhere in the region since.

I'm glad you say that. There hasn't been reason for the Palestinian Arabs to be hating and murdering Jews, including women and children all these years. And teaching their children to do it and how to do it.

This land has been under control of various empire or other powers ever since the Roman Empire. And before that Israel off and on as God allowed.

This pure hatred and murder was on full display on Oct 7.

Israel would not be in Gaza if the Gazans would not have lauched this horrendous slaughter and kidnapping. And Israel wouldn't continue if Hamas surrendered or left.

 

[BCP1928]

They are not more indigenous than the Jews were. It was their land long before.

Long, long before and somebody else's before that. And after.

 

[civilwarbuff]

And after.

And the Jews came back and took it. After all, God does keep his promises.....even when we don't.

 

[BCP1928]

And the Jews came back and took it. After all, God does keep his promises.....even when we don't.

And they have just as much right to it as any other nation that was established by conquest. That it fulfills God's promise is a fantasy.