AND PAUL IS SPEAKING ABOUT OUR BLESSED HOPE !

[Dan Perez]

THIS is what the GREAT APOSTLE PAUL had to say !!

# 1 LOOKING FOR // PODECHOMAI , is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , in bthe MIDDLE or PASSIVE VOICE , is a PARTICIPLE

# 2 THAT BLESSED // MAKARIOS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 3 HOPE // ELPIS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 4 AND // KAI is a CONJUNCATION

# 5 THE // HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICILE , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 6 GLORIOUS // DOXA , is in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 7 APPEARING // EPIPHANEIA , is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 8 OF THE // HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICILE , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 9 GREAT // MEGAS , is in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 10 GOD // TJHEOS , is in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 11 AMD // KAI , is a CONJUNCATION

# 12 OUR // HEMON , is a PERSEONSAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENITIVE CASE in the SIGNULAR

# 13 SAVIOUR // SOTER , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 14 JESUS // IESOUS , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAE .

# 15 CHRIST // CHRISTOS // in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR ..

This word BLESSED HOPE is just and other of saying CHRIST is coming back for the BODY of CHRIST

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

This word BLESSED HOPE is just and other of saying CHRIST is coming back for the BODY of CHRIST

Yet that same Paul says in Col. 3:4 "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.". How does this add up?

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

Yet that same Paul says in Col. 3:4 "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.". How does this add up?

Aristarkos

It just means you found a excellant verse that says :

# 1 WHEN // HOTAN is a CONJUNCATION

# 2 CHRIST // CHRISTOS , in the NMINATIVE CASE is the case of DESIGNATION in the SIGNULAR , means there is only

ONE CHRIST .

# 3 OUR // HEMON is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN in the GENITIVE CASE , that means it is the case of DEFINATION

# 4 LIFE // ZOE , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , which means it is the case of DESIGNATION

# 5 SHALL APPEAR // PHANEROO , is a AORIST TENSE , in the PASSIVE VOICE , meaning Christ will act in his appearance

in the SUBJUNCATIVE MOOD , is a mood of PROBABILITY , in the SINGULAR

# 6 THEN // TOTE , is an ADVERB

# 7 SHALL // PHANEROO , is in the Greek , FUTURE TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and it is action by CHRIST , in the

INDICATIVE MOOD , means you better believe it , and in the PLURAL

# 8 YE // HYMEIS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , which is the case

of DESIGNATION .

# 9 ALSO // KAI , is a CONJUNCATION

# 10 WITH // SYN is a PREPOSITION

# 11 HIM // AUTO , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the DATIVE CASE , is the case of INTEREST

in the SIGNULAR

# 12 IN // EN is a PREPOSITION

# GLORY // DOXA , is in the DATIVE CASE , is the case of INTEREST , and PAUL that even talks about the BODY OF CRIST

and HIS coming ONLY for us !!

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

and HIS coming ONLY for us !!

So your conclusion is the opposite of what Scripture is trying to teach..? Let's put this in a more understandable way: When a group of people go together to a certain location, they're going to pick up the people going together to that location who are coming with them to that location..? Seriously..?

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

So your conclusion is the opposite of what Scripture is trying to teach..? Let's put this in a more understandable way: When a group of people go together to a certain location, they're going to pick up the people going together to that location who are coming with them to that location..? Seriously..?

Aristarkos

LET me see if I have it ?

In 1 Thess 4:17 will be CAUGHT AWAY at the same time with them in CLOUDS for a meeting of the LORD

INTO THE CLOUDS into the AIR , and so shall we be with the LORD .

What location are you talking about after I agreed with COL 3:4 ??

CAUGHT up to together , means those that are ALIVE an those in their GRAVES .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

Yet that same Paul says in Col. 3:4 "When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.". How does this add up?

Aristarkos

Christ appears, mankind is resurrected, the saints are caught up (harpazo) to meet Christ in the air (1 Th 4:16-17) to return to earth with him (parousia) to assist in the judgment of mankind (1 Co 6:2).

 

[Aristarkos]

LET me see if I have it ?

In 1 Thess 4:17 will be CAUGHT AWAY at the same time with them in CLOUDS for a meeting of the LORD

INTO THE CLOUDS into the AIR , and so shall we be with the LORD .

What location are you talking about after I agreed with COL 3:4 ??

CAUGHT up to together , means those that are ALIVE an those in their GRAVES .

dan p

Indirectly you've answered my question, you only see one group. I understand, but I do not. Thessalonian and Ephesian — which includes Collosians and Phillipians — are two different groups. The first are blessed with Abraham Gal. 3:9. This was known for aions, the latter are blessed in Christ Eph. 1:3. This was hidden from the aions in God. This is the great mystery Paul speaks about the Ephesian letter and was only revealed to him and is about the unsearchable riches of Christ E;h. 3:8.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

Indirectly you've answered my question, you only see one group. I understand, but I do not. Thessalonian and Ephesian — which includes Collosians and Phillipians — are two different groups. The first are blessed with Abraham Gal. 3:9. This was known for aions, the latter are blessed in Christ Eph. 1:3. This was hidden from the aions in God. This is the great mystery Paul speaks about the Ephesian letter and was only revealed to him and is about the unsearchable riches of Christ E;h. 3:8.

Aristarkos

It just means that Paul the MYSTERY WRITER was writting to many OTHER , ASSEMBLIES !!

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

It just means that Paul the MYSTERY WRITER was writting to many OTHER , ASSEMBLIES !!

dan p

Paul says in 2 Tim. 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Paul clearly points out where we should divide the word of truth as I pointed out in my previous post, yet you basically say it is all the same?

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

Paul says in 2 Tim. 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." Paul clearly points out where we should divide the word of truth as I pointed out in my previous post, yet you basically say it is all the same?

Aristarkos

Are you talking about POST # 8 ?

IT just means that Paul wrote TO different ASSEMBLIES diferent aspects Christ COMING for the BODY of CHRIST and most

of Paul's letters did speak mostly to the BODY of Christ and of MANY TOPICS !

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

Are you talking about POST # 8 ?

IT just means that Paul wrote TO different ASSEMBLIES diferent aspects Christ COMING for the BODY of CHRIST and most

of Paul's letters did speak mostly to the BODY of Christ and of MANY TOPICS !

dan p

I disagree, but we're all entitled to our own opinions.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

And you be;ieve I always seem to act CAPTIOUS toward me and I am NOT a CHAMELEN and probably I am

a CURMUDGEON ?

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

And you be;ieve I always seem to act CAPTIOUS toward me and I am NOT a CHAMELEN and probably I am

a CURMUDGEON ?

dan p

No, what I'm trying to do is make you think about what you state here. It appears a lot of what you say has it's origins in the everything-is-the-same theology. But Scripture is God's word and needs enlightened eyes of understanding (Eph. 1:18). Why would we need that if it is all said to one and the same group? It is not my intention to offend you.

I know Paul talks about more then one mystery (for example Rom. 16:25), but who are we to project all of that on one and the same subject? Dispensationalism is about rightly dividing the word (2 Tim. 2:15). If you believe Christ in his second coming is to collect the body of Christ you're mixing two dispensations and two groups.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

No, what I'm trying to do is make you think about what you state here. It appears a lot of what you say has it's origins in the everything-is-the-same theology. But Scripture is God's word and needs enlightened eyes of understanding (Eph. 1:18). Why would we need that if it is all said to one and the same group? It is not my intention to offend you.

I know Paul talks about more then one mystery (for example Rom. 16:25), but who are we to project all of that on one and the same subject? Dispensationalism is about rightly dividing the word (2 Tim. 2:15). If you believe Christ in his second coming is to collect the body of Christ you're mixing two dispensations and two groups.

Aristarkos

And you know that Paul talks about more verses of the MYSTERY in 1 Cor 2:1 , 4:1 , 13:2 , 14:2 , Eph 1:9 , 3:3 and 4

5:32 , 6:19 , Col 1:26 and 27 , 4:3 , 1 tim 3:9 , 3:16 , and 1 Tim 1:4 and savd this , as the Geek text DOES READ

DISPENSATIN // OIKONOMIA the ONE BY FAITH , in other words , YOU HAVE TOO BE A DISPENATIPNALIST

TO BE IN THE FAITH , PERIOD !!

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

And you know that Paul talks about more verses of the MYSTERY in 1 Cor 2:1 , 4:1 , 13:2 , 14:2 , Eph 1:9 , 3:3 and 4

5:32 , 6:19 , Col 1:26 and 27 , 4:3 , 1 tim 3:9 , 3:16 , and 1 Tim 1:4 and savd this , as the Geek text DOES READ

DISPENSATIN // OIKONOMIA the ONE BY FAITH , in other words , YOU HAVE TOO BE A DISPENATIPNALIST

TO BE IN THE FAITH , PERIOD !!

dan p

I can see from your response your not really reading my replies nor do you seem to understand them. So be it.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

I can see from your response your not really reading my replies nor do you seem to understand them. So be it.

Aristarkos

And there only ONE DISPESATION and when I read about what DISPENSATIONALISM was abut , many booklets were

plublishing that there were 7 dispensation , not so , as there is ONLY one DISPENSATION , which is also called A

REVELATION of the MYSTERY in Rom 16: 25 and 26 and the REST , are called AGES .

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

Only one? Scripture speaks about more then one, for example the dispensation of the fullness of times, Eph. 1:10 or the dispensation of the Mystery Eph. 3:9 or the dispensation of the grace of God Eph. 3:2. The mystery revealed in Rom. 16:25, 26 is not the same mystery as in Eph. 3:9.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

And I have studted DISPENSATIONS FOR MANY YEARS and read Luke 16:3 and see if your can find the word


DISPENSATION .

dan p

 

[Clare73]

And I have studted DISPENSATIONS FOR MANY YEARS and read Luke 16:3 and see if your can find the word


DISPENSATION .

dan p

Dispensationalism is taken from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:6-8),
much of it in disagreement with authoritative NT apostolic (1 Th 4:16-17) teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16).

 

[Dan Perez]

Dispensationalism is taken from personal interpretation of prophetic riddles (Nu 12:6-8),
much of it in disagreement with authoritative NT apostolic (1 Th 4:16-17) teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16).

And the bible says that men of old wrote what we all the BIBLE and is not a pnowersonal interpreation and I know that

years ago that many used the bible to enrich themeles and there are some , that call themselvs JESUS CHRIST , even today ,

Anyone can check and see if I misuse the GREEK WORDS ,

dan p