Trump admin. concedes Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done' [ETA: oh but it can!]

[comana]

So, you do see Due Process as a one-way street then??? Why not commit to Due Process and use it both ways????

It’s not, immigrants are vetted. There will always be illegal crossings though.

 

[comana]

Two courts have found that he is a member of MS-13.
As I understand it he was under an order from a judge which said he couldn't be deported to El Salvador because of danger from a rival gang. He could have been deported to another country though.
So deporting him to El Salvador was wrong but I'm not sure how you correct it.
El Salvador says he's a citizen and they're not sending him back.

I don’t see where those courts allowed him a defense but why was he sent to a foreign prison? Why were any of them sent to this prison that we are paying for them to be held there? This goes beyond deportation.

 

[Maori Aussie]

I don’t see where those courts allowed him a defense but why was he sent to a foreign prison? Why were any of them sent to this prison that we are paying for them to be held there? This goes beyond deportation.

Back in the day Britain deported criminals. Initially to the US, but the citizens objected and they rebelled in 1776. So, Britain then deported criminals to Australia, as the Australian Aboriginals were in no position to rebel. Simply deporting criminals to a country and letting them loose there is not always appreciated by the locals. I initially assumed El Salvador was holding him for the $$$, but they may well be applying their own Due Process, before setting him lose in their community????

 

[Oompa Loompa]

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1913358867708493982

This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such “a fine and innocent person.” They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles, and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc. I was elected to take bad people out of the United States, among other things. I must be allowed to do my job. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Like I said. They claim their is no evidence. They ask for evidence. Evidence is provided. They reject said evidence. They claim their is no evidence. And the cycle continues. This is why I stop wasting my time.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

So yes, you are ok with people in the United States not given due process, no matter who they are. Your approval of authoritarian behaviour by the executive branch of the US government is noted.

He was given due process.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

An interesting side effect of this case is the impact it's having on tourism, with a high percentage of potential tourists citing the possibility of being detained at the border and shipped to a third world country without trial.

So far estimates are that tourism income for the US will be down around $90 Billion this year, which, for context, is equivalent to the entire US federal education budget (presumably pre-DOGE idiocy). So even if 1/100th of that is due to this case, it's still cost the US almost $1 billion.

Sure hope you guys think it's worth it.

MAGAism is an inherently destructive ideology. Their whole point seems to be to tear down everything the United States used to be and they’re doing a pretty good job of it.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

MAGAism is an inherently destructive ideology. Their whole point seems to be to tear down everything the United States used to be and they’re doing a pretty good job of it.

"We need to tear down institutions in this country and remake them in the image of what we see as the ideal"... sounds familiar.

Is that only inherently destructive when it's in the name of a "shift-right"?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

"We need to tear down institutions in this country and remake them in the image of what we see as the ideal"... sounds familiar.

Is that only inherently destructive when it's in the name of a "shift-right"?

One side is clearly much better at tearing down this country’s standing in the world as well as its core institutions than the other.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

One side is clearly much better at tearing down this country’s standing in the world as well as its core institutions than the other.

How successful a particular side is at achieving their ends has no bearing on the merits of the actual ideas.

For example:
If Joe tries to legalize spousal abuse, and fails
And Dave tries to legalize child abuse, and succeeds

That doesn't mean Dave's ideas were more "inherently destructive". Both ideas are equally terrible.

If anything, that just implies that "Joe was too dumb and disorganized to pull it off"

 

[Oompa Loompa]

MAGAism is an inherently destructive ideology. Their whole point seems to be to tear down everything the United States used to be and they’re doing a pretty good job of it.

Well, it was Obama who said he wanted to "fundamentally change the United States." Trump is just bringing sanity back.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

One side is clearly much better at tearing down this country’s standing in the world as well as its core institutions than the other.

Yes. DOGE has been doing a wonderful job getting rid of the fraud, waste, and abuse. But I don't see how it is connected to the topic.

 

[Belk]

That is more true than you think.

What? That I do not find Donald Trump trust worthy?

 

[Belk]

Isn't he a citizen of El Salvador?

How is that relevant to the legal case in the US?

 

[Belk]

https://x.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1913358867708493982

This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back to the United States, because he is such “a fine and innocent person.” They said he is not a member of MS-13, even though he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles, and two Highly Respected Courts found that he was a member of MS-13, beat up his wife, etc. I was elected to take bad people out of the United States, among other things. I must be allowed to do my job. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

I tell I don't trust Trump so you are going to quote him to me? that does not magically make me trust him.

 

[Belk]

He can get his due process in El Salvador. If El Salvador wishes to release the wife beater back to the united states, Trump will send a C-17 to pick him up.

Understood. You want the US to be a banana republic with kangaroo courts. Thank you for confirming.

 

[loveofourlord]

????

his tatoos are, marijuna, smilie face, cross, skull, remind me how that becomes ms 13?

 

[BPPLEE]

How is that relevant to the legal case in the US?

No US court, not even the Supreme Court can dictate what El Salvador must do. They say that he is a citizen and they are not deporting him the last I heard

 

[BPPLEE]

his tatoos are, marijuna, smilie face, cross, skull, remind me how that becomes ms 13?

You’re right. The MS13 was printed on the photograph above the tattoos.

Trump says deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s tattoos show that he’s MS-13 as social media is flooded with theories

Speculation regarding his supposed gang-related ink went into overdrive after photos emerged online of Abrego Garcia sitting down with Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen in El Salvador on Thursday.

nypost.com

 

[BPPLEE]

I tell I don't trust Trump so you are going to quote him to me? that does not magically make me trust him.

It turns out the tattoos are marijuana, smile, cross, skull,
marijuana and smile for MS and the claim is that the cross is covering up the one and the skull is covering up the three. So it’s not conclusive

 

[loveofourlord]

You’re right. The MS13 was printed on the photograph above the tattoos.

Trump says deported Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s tattoos show that he’s MS-13 as social media is flooded with theories

Speculation regarding his supposed gang-related ink went into overdrive after photos emerged online of Abrego Garcia sitting down with Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen in El Salvador on Thursday.

nypost.com

yes I get that, so it's just nonsense that it refers to ms13, as there is no way it would do so, as it would make no sense.