Limited atonement !

[Brightfame52]

Of course he is the savior of the body, believers. He is not savior of unbelievers... and everyone can become a believer, be part of the body.

They were unbelievers b4 He saved them Duh. You think they are born believers ?

 

[zoidar]

You just gave yourself more scriptures to exegete, all you have proven thus far is you can pick out verses with the word world in them

Anyone knows world in the bible has a diverse of meanings, so you need to prove the meaning you assume, like all mankind without exception. So exegete all your references to world please, thats your responsibility

Why didn't God sent his Son to judge the unbelievers (v.17)? The answer is in v. 16 "For God so loved the world".

You got the key for that in:

If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
— John 12:47

 

[zoidar]

They were unbelievers b4 He saved them Duh. You think they are born believers ?

To keep it simple. Christ is the savior of everyone who wants him to be his/her savior.

 

[Brightfame52]

Why didn't God sent his Son to judge the unbelievers (v.17)? The answer is in v. 16 "For God so loved the world".

You got the key for that in:

If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world.
— John 12:47

You evading your responsibility. My point is limited attornment and I have scripture with explanation, you do nothing

 

[Brightfame52]

To keep it simple. Christ is the savior of everyone who wants him to be his/her savior.

He is the Saviour and Head of His Body the Church !. Is He the Head of the children of the devil ?

 

[zoidar]

He is the Saviour and Head of His Body the Church !. Is He the Head of the children of the devil ?

I don't understand where you get that from what I'm saying. He is the savior of believers, the Church, his Body. No one disagrees there. You believe only chosen individuals will be part of his Body if I get you right. Sometimes it seems you say elect are at birth part of the Body/his Church. I believe everyone can be part of the Body, everyone can have Jesus as savior. That's where we disagree.

 

[zoidar]

You evading your responsibility. My point is limited attornment and I have scripture with explanation, you do nothing

I tried to explain John 3:16-17 to you. You don't even seem to want to understand it. All you are saying is you need to know how "world" is used everywhere in the Bible to understand John 3:16-17. That's not true!

 

[Brightfame52]

I don't understand where you get that from what I'm saying. He is the savior of believers, the Church, his Body. No one disagrees there. You believe only chosen individuals will be part of his Body if I get you right. Sometimes it seems you say elect are at birth part of the Body. I believe everyone can be part of the Body, everyone can have Jesus as savior. That's where we disagree.

He is the saviour of sinners, unbelievers ! Duh

 

[Brightfame52]

I tried to explain John 3:16-17 to you. You don't even seem to want to understand it. All you are saying is you need to know how "world" is used everywhere in the Bible to understand John 3:16-17. That's not true!

How did you try to explain Jn 3:16-17 to me

 

[zoidar]

He is the saviour of sinners, unbelievers ! Duh

So you are saying his Church consists of unbelievers, since he is the savior of the Body?

 

[zoidar]

How did you try to explain Jn 3:16-17 to me

#313, #322

 

[Brightfame52]

So you are saying his Church consists of unbelievers, since he is the savior of the Body?

They were unbelievers b4 Christ saved them and then they became believers, duh

 

[Brightfame52]

#313, #322

Lol, you call that explaining ?

 

[zoidar]

They were unbelievers b4 Christ saved them and then they became believers, duh

Are they part of the Body, the Church, or not before they were believers?

 

[zoidar]

Lol, you call that explaining ?

Why don't you try to prove me wrong instead of making fun of me?

 

[Brightfame52]

Are they part of the Body, the Church, or not before they were believers?

Yes they were His Body before they became believers, thats why He is the their Saviour. You think He saved them from being believers ? duh

 

[zoidar]

Yes they were His Body before they became believers, thats why He is the their Saviour. You think He saved them from being believers ? duh

No, I think he saves believers to eternal life in heaven. I don't get why they need to become believers if they are already part of his Body/Church.

 

[Brightfame52]

No, I think he saves believers to eternal life in heaven. I don't get why they need to become believers if they are already part of the Body/Church.

I got news for you before Christ saved His church, they were enemies , unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They became believers by Christ saving them by His Life, He gave them Spiritual life and Faith

 

[Brightfame52]

@zoidar

. I don't get why they need to become believers if they are already part of his Body/Church.

Thats the reason why He wanted to save them, they belonged to His Body Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

And they are converted to believers so as to live to Him for His Glory and Honor 2 Cor 5:14-15

14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

 

[zoidar]

I got news for you before Christ saved His church, they were enemies , unbelievers Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we[believers] were enemies[unbelievers], we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

They became believers by Christ saving them by His Life, He gave them Spiritual life and Faith

Romans 5:10 does not mention his Church. How do you know they were part of the Church before having been reconciled?