Trump admin. concedes Maryland man from El Salvador was mistakenly deported/sent to mega prison - shrugs 'nothing can be done' [ETA: oh but it can!]

[Belk]

Is there a law that requires other nations to return their citizens to another? Maybe a judge could rule that require Viktor Bout be returned to the United States.

There is a law that requires the administration to not deport people against the rule of a sitting judge.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Exactly what I said. The United States and more importantly, the President of the United States, now answers to El Salvador. Bukele calls the shots here, not Trump.

The guy we’ve been told is going to stand up to Xi and Putin and Iran can’t get the president of El Salvador to cooperate with the US in keeping with a SCOTUS order.

I know it won’t mean anything coming from me but we look freaking pathetic man.

Apparently you don't quite understand what National Sovereignty means. Do you realize that Trump is the president of the United States and not the world?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Was he sent somewhere by mistake?

Not the point. Does a judge have the authority to order another country to deliver one of their citizens to the United States?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

What's the big deal? At least Bukele was elected. Elon, not so much.

Not only elected but won with over 80% of the vote. I can see why Trump looks up to the guy. Only dictators pull numbers like that nowadays.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

There is a law that requires the administration to not deport people against the rule of a sitting judge.

Regardless, Garcia is in El Salvador and outside the jurisdiction of the United States. What laws are going to force El Salvador to return Garcia, an El Salvadorian citizen, to the United States?

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Not only elected but won with over 80% of the vote. I can see why Trump looks up to the guy. Only dictators pull numbers like that nowadays.

80%! That's like a triple mandate!

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Regardless, Garcia is in El Salvador and outside the jurisdiction of the United States. What laws are going to force El Salvador to return Garcia, an El Salvadorian citizen, to the United States?

Very true.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Apparently you don't quite understand what National Sovereignty means.

I guess you don’t realize he had the guy to ask about it sitting right there next to him. All it would have taken is turning to his right and a desire to abide by the laws of the United States and a court order.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I guess you don’t realize he had the guy to ask about it sitting right there next to him. All it would have taken is turning to his right and a desire to abide by the laws of the United States and a court order.

Come on, The President of The United States dosen't act a fool in the presence of other leaders in the White House. That's so below the office of The President.

 

[Belk]

Regardless, Garcia is in El Salvador and outside the jurisdiction of the United States. What laws are going to force El Salvador to return Garcia, an El Salvadorian citizen, to the United States?

No, not regardless. We shipped a man off to a notorious gulag against the express ruling of a judge and the penultimate court of our country has ruled that the government has a duty to help facilitate his return. Now, you can sit there and try to act as if we have zero options if you want but I am under no obligation to do so nor am I going to look the other way as this administration pretends it does not need to actually put in the effort to right the wrongs it has effected.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I guess you don’t realize he had the guy to ask about it sitting right there next to him. All it would have taken is turning to his right and a desire to abide by the laws of the United States and a court order.

Perhaps Trump didn't ask because he didn't want to. So what law forces the president to ask?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

No, not regardless. We shipped a man off to a notorious gulag against the express ruling of a judge and the penultimate court of our country has ruled that the government has a duty to help facilitate his return. Now, you can sit there and try to act as if we have zero options if you want but I am under no obligation to do so nor am I going to look the other way as this administration pretends it does not need to actually put in the effort to right the wrongs it has effected.

Then the judge should order El Salvador to return Garcia. Or you can just head over there and get him yourself.

 

[durangodawood]

Then the judge should order El Salvador to return Garcia. Or you can just head over there and get him yourself.

The judge ordered the Trump admin to make a good faith effort to get him back here.

Thats the appropriate exercise of the courts jurisdiction. Direct regulation of other countries is not. Most people know this.

 

[Belk]

Then the judge should order El Salvador to return Garcia. Or you can just head over there and get him yourself.

Or, and I'm just spitballing here, Mr. "Art of the Deal" could put the immense power and resources of the United States behind an effort to get the man returned. You know, like a party that cared about the rule of law would do.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Perhaps Trump didn't ask because he didn't want to. So what law forces the president to ask?

We already know Trump doesn’t want to follow the law or the courts or electoral results or the constitution or even his own wedding vows when they don’t line up with his actual interests.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

The judge ordered the Trump admin to make a good faith effort to get him back here.

Thats the appropriate exercise of the courts jurisdiction. Direct regulation of other countries is not. Most people know this.

At 49.8%, this isn't an administration of "most people".

 

[Oompa Loompa]

The judge ordered the Trump admin to make a good faith effort to get him back here.

Thats the appropriate exercise of the courts jurisdiction. Direct regulation of other countries is not. Most people know this.

No. The judge ordered the Trump administration to facilitate a return. Meaning, if El Salvador wishes to return Garcia, the U.S. will provide the airplane.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

No. The judge ordered the Trump administration to facilitate a return. Meaning, if El Salvador wishes to return Garcia, the U.S. will provide the airplane.

Which means all of this including the Supreme Court order on the Trump administration hang on the whims of one single man, Bukele. He’s effectively dictating US immigration and foreign policy over Trump.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

No. The judge ordered the Trump administration to facilitate a return. Meaning, if El Salvador wishes to return Garcia, the U.S. will provide the airplane.

That's how the Trump administration is choosing to interpret the word "facilitate." It remains to be seen whether that was the meaning intended by the Court. Regardless, given Bukele's statements, it doesn't seem that he's been made aware of this, given that he was talking about "smuggling" or "sneaking" Garcia into the US, and how that would be wrong. If the government is providing transportation, there's no smuggling involved.

On a fundamental level though, if the government can simply wash their hands of someone as soon as they get them out of the country, regardless of the legality of doing so, that's a serious civil rights issue. Ultimately, the government's argument for why it can't bring back Garcia has nothing to do with his citizenship or legal status in the US. They're claiming that they can do nothing because he's no longer in their custody. If we accept this excuse, then they could conceivably do this to anyone, as long as they got them out of US airspace before a judge could tell them "no". Citizenship, criminal record - completely irrelevant. As long as the government doesn't actually want the person back, they won't come back. If that doesn't disturb you, I really don't know what to say.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That's how the Trump administration is choosing to interpret the word "facilitate." It remains to be seen whether that was the meaning intended by the Court. Regardless, given Bukele's statements, it doesn't seem that he's been made aware of this, given that he was talking about "smuggling" or "sneaking" Garcia into the US, and how that would be wrong. If the government is providing transportation, there's no smuggling involved.

On a fundamental level though, if the government can simply wash their hands of someone as soon as they get them out of the country, regardless of the legality of doing so, that's a serious civil rights issue. Ultimately, the government's argument for why it can't bring back Garcia has nothing to do with his citizenship or legal status in the US. They're claiming that they can do nothing because he's no longer in their custody. If we accept this excuse, then they could conceivably do this to anyone, as long as they got them out of US airspace before a judge could tell them "no". Citizenship, criminal record - completely irrelevant. As long as the government doesn't actually want the person back, they won't come back. If that doesn't disturb you, I really don't know what to say.

Of course they aren’t bothered by it. They still believe only illegals and maybe a couple liberals would suffer a similar fate. We can trust the government to show restraint for real patriots after ignoring the highest court in the country.