House passes bill requiring proof of citizenship to vote

[SimplyMe]

Democrats indeed pushed that hoax: :

David J Harris Jr.

Sunny Hostin: Many blacks and women will not be able to vote if we require ID

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I have no doubt that in the pasts Democrats did try and suppress the black vote. That is a matter of history. This new law has nothing to do with suppressing a citizen's right to vote. In fact the points you bring up about closing polls early have nothing to do with the Act. The Act merely covers voter REGISTRATION. If you don't move that is a one time event where you have to show you are who you say you are, as you do for so many other things. Try going into a bank and ask to cash a check without ID.
If anyone comes forward and says they can't afford to have an ID to register to vote that too is something Democrats and Republicans can easily remedy.

Sorry, that still doesn't say what you claimed about Blacks not having ID; not sure why you keep trying to gaslight people.

And we aren't talking about Democrats, the North Carolina law was passed by Republicans -- you know, the one where they checked to see what kinds of ID that Blacks had and then made sure those weren't allowed?

As for the current law, I didn't say anything about it. I haven't looked closely enough at it; though I know Republicans who have issues with it because of how limited it is -- basically requiring some Americans to get Passports (at least that is what they claimed). My issue was solely the attempt to straw man, not to debate honestly. This would be a much stronger thread if people argued the points other people make, not some straw man about what they allegedly have claimed.

 

[Valletta]

As for the current law, I didn't say anything about it. I haven't looked closely enough at it; though I know Republicans who have issues with it because of how limited it is -- basically requiring some Americans to get Passports (at least that is what they claimed). My issue was solely the attempt to straw man, not to debate honestly. This would be a much stronger thread if people argued the points other people make, not some straw man about what they allegedly have claimed.

The House Act does not require a passport, that is some of the typical misinformation surrounding this excellent bill.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The House Act does not require a passport, that is some of the typical misinformation surrounding this excellent bill.

Absolutely correct -

There are a number of alternatives including Real ID"s that everyone is supposed to have by the end of the year.

 

[RDKirk]

Absolutely correct -

There are a number of alternatives including Real ID"s that everyone is supposed to have by the end of the year.

Real ID does not prove citizenship.

 

[SimplyMe]

The House Act does not require a passport, that is some of the typical misinformation surrounding this excellent bill.

Again, I haven't looked into it closely -- though I've seen posts by Republicans on another forum who basically dispute that. From what they've stated, while there is an alternative, it won't fit everyone while will require those people to get a passport. For example, according to a USA Today article from about a year ago, only 60% of those that were 18 had a driver's license and, perhaps I misunderstand, that likely means that the 40% or so without licenses will need to get a passport before they can register to vote. And this is expected to get worse in the coming years, as getting your drivers' license as a teen gets less and less common, with some opting to never get them at all.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Real ID does not prove citizenship.

This bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote in federal elections.

Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship. The bill specifies what documents are considered acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship, such as identification that complies with the REAL ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22

What documents are considered acceptable proof of US Citizenship that complies with the real ID?

1. U.S. Passport or Passport Card
2. Driver's License or State Photo ID (must be REAL ID-compliant)
3. DHS Trusted Traveler Cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
4. U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
5. Border Crossing Card
6. Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs)
7. Transportation Worker Identification Credential
8. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
9. Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)

 

[BCP1928]

Real ID does not prove citizenship.

It was supposed to. At least, that's how the scheme was sold.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

This bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote in federal elections.

Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship. The bill specifies what documents are considered acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship, such as identification that complies with the REAL ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22

What documents are considered acceptable proof of US Citizenship that complies with the real ID?

1. U.S. Passport or Passport Card
2. Driver's License or State Photo ID (must be REAL ID-compliant)
3. DHS Trusted Traveler Cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
4. U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
5. Border Crossing Card
6. Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs)
7. Transportation Worker Identification Credential
8. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
9. Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)

I have a lot of these IDs.
Drivers license doesn't mention citizenship.
CAC card doesn't mention citizenship.
TWIC card doesn't mention citizenship.
VHIC doesn't mention citizenship.
And I just looked up I-766. Guess what, non citizens can get those.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I have a lot of these IDs.
Drivers license doesn't mention citizenship.
CAC card doesn't mention citizenship.
TWIC card doesn't mention citizenship.
VHIC doesn't mention citizenship.
And I just looked up I-766. Guess what, non citizens can get those.

I guess you would have to take it up to the people who wrote it. They are in Washington DC and work in a bug white building with a really cool dome.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

I guess you would have to take it up to the people who wrote it. They are in Washington DC and work in a bug white building with a really cool dome.

Yeah, I know where it's located. Dosen't change the FACT that there is NO indication of citizenship on the aforementioned cards.Cards.

How many do you have?

 

[SimplyMe]

This bill requires individuals to provide documentary proof of U.S. citizenship when registering to vote in federal elections.

Specifically, the bill prohibits states from accepting and processing an application to register to vote in a federal election unless the applicant presents documentary proof of U.S. citizenship. The bill specifies what documents are considered acceptable proof of U.S. citizenship, such as identification that complies with the REAL ID Act of 2005 that indicates U.S. citizenship.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/22

What documents are considered acceptable proof of US Citizenship that complies with the real ID?

1. U.S. Passport or Passport Card
2. Driver's License or State Photo ID (must be REAL ID-compliant)
3. Permanent Resident Card (Green Card)
4. DHS Trusted Traveler Cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
5. U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
6. Border Crossing Card
7. Enhanced Tribal Cards (ETCs)
8. Transportation Worker Identification Credential
9. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
10. Veteran Health Identification Card (VHIC)

There are some real issues with your list. First, many of those have to be used in conjunction with another type of ID. So, for example, the DoD (military) ID can only be used in conjunction with a DD-214 (the document you get when you get out of the military) that shows you were born in the US; which means if you are a naturalized citizen it can't be used at all. The Veteran Health ID Card is even more worthless as, at most, it has your picture and military ID number (not your SSAN); it does not prove citizenship.

Even REAL ID is largely not accepted on its own, because most REAL ID cards do not have citizenship on them. Apparently, only five US states currently issue REAL ID cards that prove citizenship -- so only those cards from those states can be used under the new law.

Number 3, the Green Card, shouldn't be acceptable, as it would seem to prove a person is not a US Citizen -- so not sure why it is on your list. The same with the Border Crossing Card, which is issued to Mexican citizens (and US Citizens don't need).

Your list just doesn't make sense at all, since most of these IDs do not prove US citizenship. I suspect that this list is actually a list of IDs that can be used to verify identity, that you use together with a birth certificate or passport to prove your citizenship.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Yeah, I know where it's located. Dosen't change the FACT that there is NO indication of citizenship on the aforementioned cards.Cards.

How many do you have?

Let's see -

• Passport - check
• Real ID DL - check
• Birth Certificate - check
• Global Entry - check
• DD214 - check

There are some real issues with your list. First, many of those have to be used in conjunction with another type of ID. So, for example, the DoD (military) ID can only be used in conjunction with a DD-214 (the document you get when you get out of the military) that shows you were born in the US; which means if you are a naturalized citizen it can't be used at all. The Veteran Health ID Card is even more worthless as, at most, it has your picture and military ID number (not your SSAN); it does not prove citizenship.

Even REAL ID is largely not accepted on its own, because most REAL ID cards do not have citizenship on them. Apparently, only five US states currently issue REAL ID cards that prove citizenship -- so only those cards from those states can be used under the new law.

Number 3, the Green Card, shouldn't be acceptable, as it would seem to prove a person is not a US Citizen -- so not sure why it is on your list. The same with the Border Crossing Card, which is issued to Mexican citizens (and US Citizens don't need).

Your list just doesn't make sense at all, since most of these IDs do not prove US citizenship.

Take it up with the people who passed it -

 

[RDKirk]

There are some real issues with your list. First, many of those have to be used in conjunction with another type of ID. So, for example, the DoD (military) ID can only be used in conjunction with a DD-214 (the document you get when you get out of the military) that shows you were born in the US; which means if you are a naturalized citizen it can't be used at all. The Veteran Health ID Card is even more worthless as, at most, it has your picture and military ID number (not your SSAN); it does not prove citizenship.

Even REAL ID is largely not accepted on its own, because most REAL ID cards do not have citizenship on them. Apparently, only five US states currently issue REAL ID cards that prove citizenship -- so only those cards from those states can be used under the new law.

Number 3, the Green Card, shouldn't be acceptable, as it would seem to prove a person is not a US Citizen -- so not sure why it is on your list. The same with the Border Crossing Card, which is issued to Mexican citizens (and US Citizens don't need).

Your list just doesn't make sense at all, since most of these IDs do not prove US citizenship. I suspect that this list is actually a list of IDs that can be used to verify identity, that you use together with a birth certificate or passport to prove your citizenship.

My DD-214 does not indicate place of birth. It indicates:
Home of Record at Time of Entry
Place of Entry into Active Duty
Date of Birth

My Texas RealID does not indicate citizenship or place of birth either.

I have nothing indicating citizenship or place of birth except my birth certificate and my passport.

My daughter would be unable to get a copy of her birth certificate from where it was issued, because that building was destroyed by a volcano. Fortunately, I got several original copies (they used multi-part carbon paper) and I've had certified copies retained at two different state county recorders. Same with her State Department certificate of a American citizen born abroad.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

My daughter would be unable to get a copy of her birth certificate from where it was issued, because that building was destroyed by a volcano.

My great aunt had similar issues because the county clerk's office burned down some time in the 1920s. I remember my mom having a difficult time proving that she had existed in order to get a death certificate after she passed.

 

[SimplyMe]

Let's see -

• Passport - check
• Real ID DL - check
• Birth Certificate - check
• Global Entry - check
• DD214 - check

Just for giggles -- I had a passport but it expired some time ago and I've not renewed it. I have a REAL ID but it doesn't show my citizenship. I do have my birth certificate, though being very old I question if it would be accepted by a stern official looking for reasons to deny voting (kind of like those that claimed that Obama's birth certificate wasn't real). I have a DD-214 and I have a Veteran's Health ID card.

It will also be interesting to see what "games" the various states play. For example, when I moved a couple of years ago I had to get a bunch of documents to get my REAL ID in the new state. My recollection is I needed to surrender my old driver's license PLUS have my birth certificate, my social security card, proof that I lived in the state (in the form of a utility bill or mail received at a local address). It didn't matter that my old driver's license was a REAL ID, I just had to surrender it, the new state did not consider it proof of ID or anything else. They also wouldn't accept any type of Veteran's ID, such as the Veterans Health ID. Oh, they also wanted my DD-214, which didn't replace any of the other items, such as the Social Security card, since I'm a veteran. It was just a lot of extra hoops that weren't needed -- the REAL ID, from my previous state, should have proven my ID and my social, or my DD-214 should have been accepted as proof of my SSAN and my citizenship (since it shows I was born in the US).

Take it up with the people who passed it -

Why? I'm not sure where you got your list but I looked at the law and that list is not there. In fact, the bill specifically stated that a DoD ID has to be presented with a "military record that proves citizenship." Now, maybe there is some new document you can get now if you are in the military but I'm only aware of the DD-214, so your list does not match the bill.

From what I'm seeing, you need one of those IDs you listed plus a birth certificate; otherwise you'll need a passport or a REAL ID from one of the five states that show citizenship. I can see why so many are claiming that many will need to have a passport to register to vote.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

My DD-214 does not indicate place of birth. It indicates:
Home of Record at Time of Entry
Place of Entry into Active Duty
Date of Birth

My Texas RealID does not indicate citizenship or place of birth either.

I have nothing indicating citizenship or place of birth except my birth certificate and my passport.

My daughter would be unable to get a copy of her birth certificate from where it was issued, because that building was destroyed by a volcano. Fortunately, I got several original copies (they used multi-part carbon paper) and I've had certified copies retained at two different state county recorders. Same with her State Department certificate of a American citizen born abroad.

Apparently we didn't receive "Real DD-214s"

 

[SimplyMe]

My DD-214 does not indicate place of birth. It indicates:
Home of Record at Time of Entry
Place of Entry into Active Duty
Date of Birth

To quote Always In His Presence, "Take it up with the people who passed it -" Though, to be fair, the law didn't explicitly say DD-214 but rather "military record" -- for some reason I was thinking the DD-214 showed place of birth, but I might have been confusing with "Home of Record at time of entry." Regardless, a military ID is not enough by itself to register to vote, you must have a further record that proves citizenship.

My Texas RealID does not indicate citizenship or place of birth either.

I have nothing indicating citizenship or place of birth except my birth certificate and my passport.

My daughter would be unable to get a copy of her birth certificate from where it was issued, because that building was destroyed by a volcano. Fortunately, I got several original copies (they used multi-part carbon paper) and I've had certified copies retained at two different state county recorders. Same with her State Department certificate of a American citizen born abroad.

Yes, Texas is not one of the five states that puts citizenship on the REAL ID, so a REAL ID alone will not be enough to register to vote for most Americans.

As for your daughter, I think the only "birth certificate" that counts for most purposes in the US is the State Department certificate. My children born in Germany only have the "American Citizen Born Abroad" certificate; I think as the Germans weren't anxious to process the paperwork for births on American bases, particularly since German citizenship requires a parent that is a German citizen.

 

[SimplyMe]

Apparently we didn't receive "Real DD-214s"

Or maybe you just aren't a "real American".



(to be clear, this is meant as a joke and not to be taken seriously)

 

[RDKirk]

To quote Always In His Presence, "Take it up with the people who passed it -" Though, to be fair, the law didn't explicitly say DD-214 but rather "military record" -- for some reason I was thinking the DD-214 showed place of birth, but I might have been confusing with "Home of Record at time of entry." Regardless, a military ID is not enough by itself to register to vote, you must have a further record that proves citizenship.

I don't think any common military record identifies citizenship. It's going to be within the documentation of a security background check, but security background checks are relatively rare and that documentation would be unavailable to the troop.

"Take it up with the people who passed it" unfortunately points out the carelessness of the people who drafted the legislation.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Or maybe you just aren't a "real American".



(to be clear, this is meant as a joke and not to be taken seriously)

According to the enlightened loyal Trump Acolytes with dirty knees I am not.