Do you believe that Trump has an ACTUAL plan?

[Desk trauma]

He’s better than the alternative. I’m thankful he’s my president! I love my country and am proud of it!

Included in this post: zero reasons why he’s to be trusted.

 

[RileyG]

Included in this post: zero reasons why he’s to be trusted.

I can say the same about Harris. I didn’t trust her either. Opinions are not facts.

 

[Desk trauma]

I can say the same about Harris. I didn’t trust her either. Opinions are not facts.

Still no reason presented.

 

[RileyG]

Let's say you are building a house. You (or other construction workers) make a mistake which will result in its inevitable collapse. Do you "move on" or repair what's broken before continuing.
In the face of democracy's collapse, moving on is not possible.

Thankfully, our country is healing. We are not defeated. We are not collapsed. In my opinion, Trump is here to heal our country and help the American people. I’m proud of him!

 

[RileyG]

Still no reason presented.

If you say so.

 

[Desk trauma]

If you say so.

Which of your posts was it in?

 

[dakotariver]

Hi and welcome to CF and forum 909!
I’m fairly certain that you’re still allowed to change your mind about whether your decision in November 2024 was correct (or not).
Casting a ballot isn’t the same as signing a contract with a candidate to support every move that they might make in the future.

Thank you for the welcome!

I don't doubt my decision to vote for Trump, because I stopped agreeing with the Democratic party when they took the side of the Palestinians when they violently and ruthlessly attacked innocent children in Israel in 2023 (not to mention that the terrorist group that attacked the Israeli citizens hates America and wants to see it burn), and I especially did not agree with Kamala Harris. Race politics, allowing Critical Race Theory/LGBT ideology to be taught in classrooms to children, and allowing children to take hormones and mutilate their bodies also turned me off to the Republican party. I'm gay but I am not a part of the LGBT ideology, and I certainly don't believe all of that should be taught to kids in school.

If there would have been another Republican candidate to vote for, and I agreed with their views, I would have voted for that person and not Trump, but Trump was the only candidate that I could vote for that wasn't Democratic. That doesn't mean I don't think he can do a fine job in the presidency, but there are certain things about his character I don't like that I wish he would change. As long as he takes care of the country, puts the country and its people first, and secures the country from outside forces, I have no problem with him. I do not believe Kamala Harris had the country's best interest as her priority.

 

[RileyG]

I don't doubt my decision to vote for Trump, because I stopped agreeing with the Democratic party when they took the side of the Palestinians when they violently and ruthlessly attacked innocent children in Israel in 2023 (not to mention that the terrorist group that attacked the Israeli citizens hates America and wants to see it burn), and I especially did not agree with Kamala Harris. Race politics, allowing Critical Race Theory/LGBT ideology to be taught in classrooms to children, and allowing children to take hormones and mutilate their bodies also turned me off to the Republican party. I'm gay but I am not a part of the LGBT ideology, and I certainly don't believe all of that should be taught to kids in school.

If there would have been another Republican candidate to vote for, and I agreed with their views, I would have voted for that person and not Trump, but Trump was the only candidate that I could vote for that wasn't Democratic. That doesn't mean I don't think he can do a fine job in the presidency, but there are certain things about his character I don't like that I wish he would change. As long as he takes care of the country, puts the country and its people first, and secures the country from outside forces, I have no problem with him. I do not believe Kamala Harris had the country's best interest as her priority.

Well said, sir.

God bless you

 

[Fantine]

Thankfully, our country is healing. We are not defeated. We are not collapsed. In my opinion, Trump is here to heal our country and help the American people. I’m proud of him!

Ask the 60% of Americans whose life savings are evaporating if they are "healing?" Or the people relying on food pantries who have lost $1 billion in assistance. Or the immigrant families who see their loved ones deported, families broken. Or the disabled and developmentally delayed children who have no Education Dept. to protect them. Or the tens of thousands of federal employees, most performing essential jobs, laid off because of computer algorithms designed by teenagers.
I could go on and on and on.
The brave freedom fighters in Ukraine. The women and children in Gaza.
The starving in the third world dependent on USAID.
The children dying of measles while the CDC suggests vitamin A.
So who exactly is healing?
Walk through your community and, even exercising minimal empathy, you would find stories that would break your heart.
The damage will take decades to "heal."

 

[RileyG]

Ask the 60% of Americans whose life savings are evaporating if they are "healing?" Or the people relying on food pantries who have lost $1 billion in assistance. Or the immigrant families who see their loved ones deported, families broken. Or the disabled and developmentally delayed children who have no Education Dept. to protect them. Or the tens of thousands of federal employees, most performing essential jobs, laid off because of computer algorithms designed by teenagers.
I could go on and on and on.
The brave freedom fighters in Ukraine. The women and children in Gaza.
The starving in the third world dependent on USAID.
The children dying of measles while the CDC suggests vitamin A.
So who exactly is healing?
Walk through your community and, even exercising minimal empathy, you would find stories that would break your heart.
The damage will take decades to "heal."

Was it any different under Biden or even worse? Let’s not forget about all those poor children at the border.

 

[Fantine]

Was it any different under Biden or even worse? Let’s not forget about all those poor children at the border.

About 100 times better. But you need to look at solid facts, not propaganda, to prove it to yourself.
When I saw 47 trying to extort trillions in minerals in return for billions in aid from a country fighting for its survival, for example, I was so ashamed, so appalled, so horrified.
Catholic Relief Services got 90% of its budget from USAID--as did many other international charities. I know the work they do. I have been on mission trips to Central America.
I was proud when we had a president with integrity and conscience whi honored our troops--not ditched them for a fundraising dinner.

 

[RileyG]

About 100 times better. But you need to look at solid facts, not propaganda, to prove it to yourself.
When I saw 47 trying to extort trillions in minerals in return for billions in aid from a country fighting for its survival, for example, I was so ashamed, so appalled, so horrified.
Catholic Relief Services got 90% of its budget from USAID--as did many other international charities. I know the work they do. I have been on mission trips to Central America.
I was proud when we had a president with integrity and conscience whi honored our troops--not ditched them for a fundraising dinner.

I have no words. I entirely disagree. I don’t think 46 acted with integrity and honor, but that’s my opinion only.

God bless you

 

[Fantine]

I am sorry, but I think that asking for evidence to assertions is a normal part of debate and discussion.
I live in a relatively small city, but I can't go anywhere without encountering closed food pantries, terrified immigrant children, frightened retirees.
Several small businesses have announced closures, knowing tariffs would sound their death knell. That means unemployed workers.
Churches undergoing renovation worried supply chain problems will mean long delays.
So I think asking for evidence is polite, respectful, and normal procedure.

 

[rambot]

 

[Fantine]

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And that's why Schiff and Raskin plan on investigating insider trading.

 

[Apple Sky]

I'd call it an evolving plan.

I'd call it Satan's plan.

 

[Servus]

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Hmm... looks like no one else except the billionaires made money.

 

[linux.poet]

Emotional hyperbole doesn't work on conservatives. We apparently have no hearts, so it is pointless trying to pull our heartstrings.

Which conservatives is this post talking about?

*cue old TV announcer voice*

En garde! Time to pull out my trusty sidearm and AR-15 sniper rifle and fight for truth, justice, and the American way! The illegal aliens, the scourge of criminals from around the globe that are taking jobs away from honest Americans, are finally being punished for their misdeeds by President Donald Trump. We will have justice! JUSTICE!

*insert obligatory bald eagle screech here*

America! The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave! One nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice For All! Hurtle the weak, and trample the dead!



Now, before I get in serious trouble for this post (the italics part are meant as a joke at my own expense, so you can laugh if you want), the point I’m trying to make is that conservative emotional hyperbole actually exists. I’m not actually advocating for the use of guns. The problem is not that conservative emotional hyperbole doesn’t exist, but that it’s awkward and kinda violent. So people tend to dig down into facts and figures to hide the fact that American conservatism is about sacrificing people’s right to be here and other benefits to people to uphold principles.

This is what God does in Romans 9 when he bears with “the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction” - the unbeliever vessels are sacrificed so that the believers may be saved and tested and improved. The liberal position is that we are not God so we don’t get to decide. The conservative rebuttal is that deciding who gets to live and who gets to die is what politics is all about, who benefits and who is placed at a disadvantage. The conservatives believe that the strong should benefit because they earned their strength, and the liberals believe that the weak should benefit because they got taken advantage of by the strong.

In any case, I do think Trump has a plan, even if his plan basically amounts to bread and circuses. His actions are notably consistent with each other and do not reflect chaos or blind reactions. Frankly, Trump’s rhetoric, executive orders, and flashy behavior are actually yet another counter argument to the assertion that conservatives aren’t swayed by hyperbole. Trump got elected instead of Ted Cruz. If conservatives truly favored facts and logic and were truly heartless, the would have elected Cruz instead of Trump. Cruz had very little in the way of showmanship and much in the way of logic.

The reality is the Tom MacDonald song “Me vs. You”, which I can’t link because it contains profanity near the end of the song. Both political parties and philosophies are highly emotionally loaded because people are scared of death and other related negative outcomes that they have never experienced. The evil that you don’t want to experience is what you fear, what you fear is what you fight against, and what you fight against is what happens because you bring the opposition down on you. Every plan in politics has to be dressed up in fancy circus clothing for the entertainment of the masses in a form of dark popcorn eating. When I was a kid, newspapers were entertaining just like novels, and someone could watch the TV news like a movie.

The valient hero, President Donald Trump, defeated 624 evil bad guys this week. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, and God Bless America!

Now, I’m an adult, and I know it’s not fun, because every four to eight years the valient heroics will be replaced by a horror film. Then in four to eight more years, the heroics will return. And worse, my heroics are someone else’s horror film. I think part of myself longs for that childlike naïveté of the conservative emotional rhetoric. That’s actually why I hold onto conservative positions when by most factual metrics I should probably be a liberal by this point. I just can’t give up the dream, this thought that evil can be conquered. It has a deep emotional appeal that can be hyperbolized as easily as liberal wailing over the victims of principled thought.

Of course, Christ did conquer evil on the cross, and gave us the Armor of God. But it will be Christ who does the conquering of evil, not me, in political areas. Child me is still disappointed, but adult me has learned (to some extent) to live with it.

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As for the tariff strategy, it probably is just Trump presuming that America is good while the rest of the world is evil. It’s the childish behavior of thinking that you can attack the bad guys. He really hasn’t woke up to the fact that America isn’t all the way good and that the rest of the world isn’t all the way bad, but at least his tariff policy, immigration policy, and diplomacy are all consistent. I can’t say I approve of the tariff plan, though it might act to break down the illusion economy and get us back to taking care of our bodies instead of just bleeding our labor into technology and entertainment schemes. When doing economics and economic policy, your emotions need to take a backseat to facts, because people need to eat, sleep, and drive. That’s just facts.

 

[Nithavela]

Oh...and this one right after....

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I wonder if poor white men will be bothered that rich white men are gaming the system.
OR
If those poor white men will not care, as long as the browns are getting deported.

They'll probably define May 15th as "not May 15th" and won't have to disclose anything.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

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Now, just like that, liberals hate the rich again. A complete 180 shift from yesterday when they were outraged that their portfolios took a temporary hit.