I will scientifically prove the existence of God to you

[The_Order]

Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God. I will not promote any religion. I will prove the existence of God to you in a way you have probably never heard before, clearly, as clear as 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Instead of explaining it to you directly, I want to ask questions that will lead you to discover it yourself, that way, it will be more meaningful.
I believe it would be best to do this through private messages, so please message me directly.

 

[BCP1928]

Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God. I will not promote any religion. I will prove the existence of God to you in a way you have probably never heard before, clearly, as clear as 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Instead of explaining it to you directly, I want to ask questions that will lead you to discover it yourself, that way, it will be more meaningful.
I believe it would be best to do this through private messages, so please message me directly.

Probably just as well not to do it here. This is a science forum, and science has nothing to say about the existence of God, one way or the other.

 

[Perpetual Student]

Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God. I will not promote any religion. I will prove the existence of God to you in a way you have probably never heard before, clearly, as clear as 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Instead of explaining it to you directly, I want to ask questions that will lead you to discover it yourself, that way, it will be more meaningful.
I believe it would be best to do this through private messages, so please message me directly.

Do you think you can do that without making use of any logical fallacy like (list not complete)?
* argument from ignorance
* circular reasoning
* argument from authority
* anecdotal argument
* fear mongering
* false dichotomy

Do you think your arguments will be in accordance with all known empirical data?
I am curious. So give it a try.

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you think you can do that without making use of any logical fallacy like (list not complete)?
* argument from ignorance
* circular reasoning
* argument from authority
* anecdotal argument
* fear mongering
* false dichotomy

Yes.

Cause and Effect:

1. the Bible
2. time divided into BC & AD
3. organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army
4. hospitals built by Christian organizations
5. Christian artwork, edifices, statuary, and literature
6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins
7. UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance
8. the Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public
9. Christmas & Easter
10. symbols on bumper stickers and flags
11. public debates in the name of Christianity
12. crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ
13. two major nations founded on His existence
14. martyrs
15. Christians & Jews

 

[partinobodycular]

Cause and Effect:

1. the Bible
2. time divided into BC & AD
3. organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army
4. hospitals built by Christian organizations
5. Christian artwork, edifices, statuary, and literature
6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins
7. UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance
8. the Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public
9. Christmas & Easter
10. symbols on bumper stickers and flags
11. public debates in the name of Christianity
12. crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ
13. two major nations founded on His existence
14. martyrs

It took me a long time to figure out that this is AV's attempt at humor. The classic deadpan delivery is pure brilliance.

 

[jacks]

You might reach more people if you had your topic in a open forum, instead of private messages.

But in any case: Welcome to CF! Hope you enjoy your time here.

 

[Laodicean60]

Is this thread designed to have people argue with each other?

 

[AV1611VET]

It took me a long time to figure out that this AV's attempt at humor.

Better check again then.

I'm not kidding.

How did Newton discover gravity?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God. I will not promote any religion. I will prove the existence of God to you in a way you have probably never heard before, clearly, as clear as 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Instead of explaining it to you directly, I want to ask questions that will lead you to discover it yourself, that way, it will be more meaningful.
I believe it would be best to do this through private messages, so please message me directly.

Believing God is not a problem with the mind, nor with the intelligence, but with the heart that is wicked, heardened like a stone. Share the gospel and pray to God to have mercy on the sinner.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God. I will not promote any religion. I will prove the existence of God to you in a way you have probably never heard before, clearly, as clear as 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Instead of explaining it to you directly, I want to ask questions that will lead you to discover it yourself, that way, it will be more meaningful.
I believe it would be best to do this through private messages, so please message me directly.

Go on...

 

[Perpetual Student]

Yes.

Cause and Effect:

1. the Bible
2. time divided into BC & AD
3. organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army
4. hospitals built by Christian organizations
5. Christian artwork, edifices, statuary, and literature
6. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins
7. UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance
8. the Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public
9. Christmas & Easter
10. symbols on bumper stickers and flags
11. public debates in the name of Christianity
12. crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ
13. two major nations founded on His existence
14. martyrs
15. Christians & Jews

Yes, and how does this prove the existence of god - without the use of any logical fallacy?
As far as i can tell, this only shows the believe of some people in god, not the existence of of the god itself.
So please elaborate.

 

[The_Order]

Okay

I dont think this is the right way to do this but to summarize:

As human beings, we act based on knowledge.

We observe and use knowledge through our senses.

Knowledge - lack of observation - imagination are different concepts.

We possess the knowledge that everything exists within a certain order. Just observe your surroundings, you will see that many things exist in harmony with one another.

But we cannot say that there is no order, we have no such observation / knowledge.

Order is established by an intelligence/will/power, this is what we know and we gained this knowledge by observing ourselves.

We have no observation / knowledge suggesting that order arises in any other way.

Therefore, the order we live in were created by an intelligence/will/power.

That's the summary.

Note: English is not my native language, so please try to overlook any word mistakes or awkward phrasing.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Hello,
I sincerely want to help people who are questioning the existence of God. I will not promote any religion. I will prove the existence of God to you in a way you have probably never heard before, clearly, as clear as 2 plus 2 equals 4.
Instead of explaining it to you directly, I want to ask questions that will lead you to discover it yourself, that way, it will be more meaningful.
I believe it would be best to do this through private messages, so please message me directly.

Everyone knows there is a God - Romans 1.

 

[BCP1928]

Okay

I dont think this is the right way to do this but to summarize:

As human beings, we act based on knowledge.

We observe and use knowledge through our senses.

Knowledge - lack of observation - imagination are different concepts.

We possess the knowledge that everything exists within a certain order. Just observe your surroundings, you will see that many things exist in harmony with one another.

But we cannot say that there is no order, we have no such observation / knowledge.

Order is established by an intelligence/will/power, this is what we know and we gained this knowledge by observing ourselves.

We have no observation / knowledge suggesting that order arises in any other way.

Therefore, the order we live in were created by an intelligence/will/power.

That's the summary.

Note: English is not my native language, so please try to overlook any word mistakes or awkward phrasing.

Your English is fine, but your argument is irrelevant in a science forum. It's an old argument, dating all the way back to Aristotle at least, and a familiar one on CF. You can proceed with it if you like by attempting to justify your premises (which is where the argument fails, btw) but I doubt you will change anyone's mind with it. This forum is more about trying to use specific theologies to impeach the findings of science for political reasons. Otherwise nobody here cares whether you believe in God or not--it doesn't change the science any.

 

[The_Order]

I offer the help I can because I see myself as responsible before the Creator. A person's faith is entirely their own responsibility, it does me no harm.

This is the scientific proof of God's existence. I explained it as clearly as possible. This is entirely scientific. What is science ? Its the observation and discovery of things. And this is exactly that.

 

[SelfSim]

We possess the knowledge that everything exists within a certain order. Just observe your surroundings, you will see that many things exist in harmony with one another.

But we cannot say that there is no order, we have no such observation / knowledge.

Order is established by an intelligence/will/power, this is what we know and we gained this knowledge by observing ourselves.

We have no observation / knowledge suggesting that order arises in any other way.

Therefore, the order we live in were created by an intelligence/will/power.

We would not be able to distinguish order in a given system, if we couldn't also observe disorder.

Typically in thermodynamics, (for eg), we choose to not investigate observations of disorder further, because that component is unavailable for doing work ... and Intelligent human minds tend to focus on things capable of doing work.
Work is a more fundamental concept we apply as an attribute to our model of the Universe.

Demonstrably, we are the intelligent agent doing all of the above.

 

[BCP1928]

I offer the help I can because I see myself as responsible before the Creator. A person's faith is entirely their own responsibility, it does me no harm.

This is the scientific proof of God's existence. I explained it as clearly as possible. This is entirely scientific. What is science ? Its the observation and discovery of things. And this is exactly that.

Why do you think you need a scientific proof?

In any case it is not a scientific proof, but a discourse in deductive logic with premises which have not been empirically verified and no suggested means to verify the conclusion. Some may find your argument pursuasive, but it is not, at bottom, a scientific argument.

 

[The_Order]

We would not be able to distinguish order in a given system, if we couldn't also observe disorder.

Typically in thermodynamics, (for eg), we choose to not investigate observations of disorder further, because that component is unavailable for doing work ... and Intelligent human minds tend to focus on things capable of doing work.
Work is a more fundamental concept we apply as an attribute to our model of the Universe.

Demonstrably, we are the intelligent agent doing all of the above.

No, you are confusing the concepts of knowledge-lack of observation-imagination, and you are making a logical mistake.


You can observe many orders in your surroundings and as a human, you yourself are a form of order, a sub order that is part of the main order. You cannot call a situation "disorder" just because you cannot observe how it contributes to the order.

Do you understand ? So in other words, you cant say something doesnot exist just because you cant observe it. If there is no observation, there is no knowledge, and we act based on knowledge.

 

[SelfSim]

No, you are confusing the concepts of knowledge-lack of observation-imagination, and you are making a logical mistake.

You can observe many orders in your surroundings and as a human, you yourself are a form of order, a sub order that is part of the main order. You cannot call a situation "disorder" just because you cannot observe how it contributes to the order.

Do you understand ? So in other words, you cant say something doesnot exist just because you cant observe it. If there is no observation, there is no knowledge, and we act based on knowledge.

Hmm .. I disagree with your assertion that my logic is mistaken.

I didn't say that disorder doesn't exist.
If you claim that other intelligent order-observing agents can and do exist, then this can be demonstrated as being a superfluous belief, via the scientific method approach.

 

[BCP1928]

No, you are confusing the concepts of knowledge-lack of observation-imagination, and you are making a logical mistake.


You can observe many orders in your surroundings and as a human, you yourself are a form of order, a sub order that is part of the main order. You cannot call a situation "disorder" just because you cannot observe how it contributes to the order.

Do you understand ? So in other words, you cant say something doesnot exist just because you cant observe it. If there is no observation, there is no knowledge, and we act based on knowledge.

Who says it doesn't exist?