Trump to use wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport illegal migrants from ‘enemy nations’: sources

[Servus]

And how do the President’s orders comport with the Constitution of the United States?
(This is the “controlling” factor.)

The Alien Enemies Act is not unconstitutional. It might possibly be deemed to be inapplicable in this instance, but not against Constitution of the United States.

 

[Servus]

Here's the timeline of events, (ignore it if you wish, but don’t expect that any subsequent arguments of yours to be taken seriously,

I expect certain people to reject my arguments no matter what. Them telling me I need to do this or that to attain their approval is an amusing notion. Also I read the timeline yesterday.

 

[stevil]

So far it's merely a matter of not ordering airplanes already outside of US airspace over international waters, to turn around and fly back after Boasberg's last minute too late request. It wasn't a matter of them running through a blockade, it was a matter of Boasberg chasing after them with a blockade saying "hey come back here" after they were long gone. Trying to close the barn door after the horses got away.

Well, actually, the Judge has asked Trump's lawyers why his order wasn't followed and they were very vague on the details, so he has asked them to go away, find out the details and write them down so he can assess if they should be charged with Contempt of court.

We will wait and see what happens.

In the meantime, Trump and his lackeys are trying their hardest to paint this judge as a leftist activist.

 

[Servus]

Well, actually, the Judge has asked Trump's lawyers why his order wasn't followed and they were very vague on the details, so he has asked them to go away, find out the details and write them down so he can assess if they should be charged with Contempt of court.

We will wait and see what happens.

In the meantime, Trump and his lackeys are trying their hardest to paint this judge as a leftist activist.

Cool the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense are lackeys. Also, they don't really have to try hard.

 

[stevil]

Cool the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense are lackeys. Also, they don't really have to try hard.

If that's what you want then great for you.

If you want a Republican president with unilateral power unimpeded by Congress and the Judiciary, then you will be happy, perhaps even giddy over what Trump and His think tank team and His enablers are doing right now. Perhaps their end goal is to get rid of the pesky elections too, and maybe that is also want you want. I feel many of the MAGA's want this too.
I don't think the American experiment of the three co-equal branches is what those people want. They think it impedes Trump and His agenda.
I don't think they value ethics and law, certainly don't want law limiting Trump carrying out His agenda.

I think MAGA want USA to be like China, Russia and North Korea. A country where the Premier rules, can get things done quickly, can force religious ideals onto the populous, distances themselves from international alliances and uses their economic and military might to compete for resources and territory. One where they don't have to worry about 4 year terms and can simply lead forever, carrying out their agenda how the Premier best sees fit.

It would be great if the MAGA's are just honest and upfront and tell us straight up that this is what they want.

 

[Belk]

Yes a group can be declared a terrorist organization. It's been done for many years now. Of course the organization can fight the designation in court if they wish. And if you are a part of that organization you are indeed under that umbrella. Just like if you are a member of Aryan Nations you are a white supremacist or a member of tge American Nazi party you are an American Nazi.

That does not answer my question. The president identified the group as a terrorist organization by EO even though they do not meet the definition of terrorist organization. The people deported were claimed to be a part of this group by the administration even though there is evidence this is not the case for everyone. How is this NOT guilt by fiat

 

[wing2000]

Cool the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense are lackeys. Also, they don't really have to try hard.

The judge is a respected jurist. Labeling him a lackey plays right into the presidents direct attack on the Judiciary. Do you coniser the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court as well?

 

[Servus]

The judge is a respected jurist. Labeling him a lackey plays right into the presidents direct attack on the Judiciary. Do you coniser the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court as well?

Good grief, you really misread what was said.

stevil said:
In the meantime, Trump and his lackeys are trying their hardest to paint this judge as a leftist activist.

ozso said:
Cool the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense are lackeys. Also, they don't really have to try hard.

 

[Servus]

If that's what you want then great for you.

If you want a Republican president with unilateral power unimpeded by Congress and the Judiciary, then you will be happy, perhaps even giddy over what Trump and His think tank team and His enablers are doing right now. Perhaps their end goal is to get rid of the pesky elections too, and maybe that is also want you want. I feel many of the MAGA's want this too.
I don't think the American experiment of the three co-equal branches is what those people want. They think it impedes Trump and His agenda.
I don't think they value ethics and law, certainly don't want law limiting Trump carrying out His agenda.

I think MAGA want USA to be like China, Russia and North Korea. A country where the Premier rules, can get things done quickly, can force religious ideals onto the populous, distances themselves from international alliances and uses their economic and military might to compete for resources and territory. One where they don't have to worry about 4 year terms and can simply lead forever, carrying out their agenda how the Premier best sees fit.

It would be great if the MAGA's are just honest and upfront and tell us straight up that this is what they want.

That's bananas.

 

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BREAKING NEWS: Judge Contreras was the judge assigned Emergency cases that came in March 15-16. Yet Judge Boasberg is adjudicating an emergency case from 3/16. How did he end up with the case? Who played funny business and gave a Trump hater the case?
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[stevil]

That's bananas.

OK, so do you want judges to be able to enforce limits as per the constitution and law on what the President does or attempts to do?

 

[Servus]

OK, so do you want judges to be able to enforce limits as per the constitution and law on what the President does or attempts to do?

Both. Both judicial enforcement and executive orders. Although there are situations where one prevails over the other, when the two are in conflict. In this case there are those who side with the judge and those who side with the president. Some siding with the president instead of a judge in certain situations, does not equate to them wanting a dictatorship.

It's seriously doubtful that there's never been a conflict between the executive branch, the legislative branch and the judicial branch until now.

 

[stevil]

Both. Both judicial enforcement and executive orders. Although there are situations where one prevails over the other, when the two are in conflict. In this case there are those who side with the judge and those who side with the president. Some siding with the president instead of a judge in certain situations, does not equate to them wanting a dictatorship.

Yes it does.

The president cannot waive His hand and forgo the law and the constitution. Countries need limits on the power of government. Big government is not what people want.

A rogue government needs to be controlled and quelled, and that is what the constitution is there fore.
Some of the very weird and dangerous rhetoric coming from prominent figures in the Republican party and parroted by many MAGAs is really trying to claim that the president has absolute power (well, a Republican president) and their disgusting talk about the judge being a Democrat Judge (he was appointed by George Bush, and calling him an activist leftist judge, he has very much made many calls in the past that would delight the Republicans and annoy the Democrats.

All this horrible rhetoric that many on the Right use, is really destroying half of the countrie's faith in judges, in intelligence agencies in law, in elections etc. If you go far enough down this line, all you will have left is force which will lead to civil war.
For a democratic country to continue having the luxury of democracy, all people need to be working towards getting trust in the institutions.

Trump and this admin, have been firing Inspector Generals tasked with ensuring departments are working legally and ethically, at the moment his DOJ AG is attacking judges that make judgements that Trump does like. This is not how the DOJ is supposed to run. They are supposed to be respecting the law, respecting judges, not making tv announcements putting judges down. It is disgusting behaviour.

 

[Servus]

Yes it does.

The president cannot waive His hand and forgo the law and the constitution. Countries need limits on the power of government. Big government is not what people want.

A rogue government needs to be controlled and quelled, and that is what the constitution is there fore.
Some of the very weird and dangerous rhetoric coming from prominent figures in the Republican party and parroted by many MAGAs is really trying to claim that the president has absolute power (well, a Republican president) and their disgusting talk about the judge being a Democrat Judge (he was appointed by George Bush, and calling him an activist leftist judge, he has very much made many calls in the past that would delight the Republicans and annoy the Democrats.

All this horrible rhetoric that many on the Right use, is really destroying half of the countrie's faith in judges, in intelligence agencies in law, in elections etc. If you go far enough down this line, all you will have left is force which will lead to civil war.
For a democratic country to continue having the luxury of democracy, all people need to be working towards getting trust in the institutions.

Trump and this admin, have been firing Inspector Generals tasked with ensuring departments are working legally and ethically, at the moment his DOJ AG is attacking judges that make judgements that Trump does like. This is not how the DOJ is supposed to run. They are supposed to be respecting the law, respecting judges, not making tv announcements putting judges down. It is disgusting behaviour.

It's hard to take this seriously when the Supreme Court of the United States is called "Trump's SCOTUS" and is accused of being stacked with corrupt judges. And if it comes about that the SCOTUS rules in favor of the President, the Secretary of State, the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice (Trump's lackys as you put it) regarding this matter, then those going on and on about the sanctity of the judicial branch and how awful it is to speak against Boasberg, will once again condemn the SCOTUS to the Nth degree.

 

[stevil]

It's hard to take this seriously when the Supreme Court of the United States is called "Trump's SCOTUS" and is accused of being stacked with corrupt judges. And if it comes about that the SCOTUS rules in favor of the President, the Secretary of State, the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice (Trump's lackys as you put it) regarding this matter, then those going on and on about the sanctity of the judicial branch and how awful it is to speak against Boasberg, will once again condemn the SCOTUS to the Nth degree.

Clarence Thomas is definitely corrupt. Accepting over $4 million in bribes is pretty bad.

 

[Merrill]

OK, so do you want judges to be able to enforce limits as per the constitution and law on what the President does or attempts to do?

Do you want judges and federal authority to control the actions of mayors?

Or is it OK for blue state mayors to openly defy federal immigration law and harbor illegals, including gang members, in cities?

you see, if the "law and order" argument is going to be used, you have to be consistent, as I posted above

it can't be "only the other side needs to follow the law"

AOC Renews Calls for Biden Administration to Defy Federal Court Rulings

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) has doubled down on calls to defy federal courts, including the nation's highest, which Ocasio-Cortez believes to be "a highly politicized entity that is rapidly delegitimizing."

www.yahoo.com

 

[essentialsaltes]

Do you want judges and federal authority to control the actions of mayors?

Sure.

Or is it OK for blue state mayors to openly defy federal immigration law and harbor illegals, including gang members, in cities?

Immigration is a federal issue. Nobody's defying anything; they're just choosing not to do someone else's job. Indeed they are *obeying* the sanctuary laws that have been passed in their jurisdictions.

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 addressed the relationship between the federal and local governments. ... Nothing in the law forces states or local governments to help the federal government with immigration enforcement.[46]

 

[stevil]

Do you want judges and federal authority to control the actions of mayors?

Or is it OK for blue state mayors to openly defy federal immigration law and harbor illegals, including gang members, in cities?

you see, if the "law and order" argument is going to be used, you have to be consistent, as I posted above

it can't be "only the other side needs to follow the law"

AOC Renews Calls for Biden Administration to Defy Federal Court Rulings

Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D., N.Y.) has doubled down on calls to defy federal courts, including the nation's highest, which Ocasio-Cortez believes to be "a highly politicized entity that is rapidly delegitimizing."

www.yahoo.com

I want all government to be constrained by law and constitution. Including governers and mayors.

 

[Merrill]

Sure.

Immigration is a federal issue. Nobody's defying anything; they're just choosing not to do someone else's job. Indeed they are *obeying* the sanctuary laws that have been passed in their jurisdictions.

The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 addressed the relationship between the federal and local governments. ... Nothing in the law forces states or local governments to help the federal government with immigration enforcement.[46]

let me clarify: these are not "laws", but rather declarations and orders for city officials, law enforcement, etc. to defy federal immigration law and to hinder the efforts of ICE

by harboring and housing illegals, cities are in violation of immigration law

do you really think the majority of Americans want blue cities to assist, protect, and harbor international criminal gangs consisting of illegals?

 

[essentialsaltes]

let me clarify: these are not "laws", but rather declarations and orders for city officials, law enforcement, etc. to defy federal immigration law and to hinder the efforts of ICE

California Senate Bill 54 (2017) ​

a 2017 California state law that prevents state and local law enforcement agencies from using their resources on behalf of federal immigration enforcement agencies.

This is a law.

by harboring and housing illegals, cities are in violation of immigration law

If that were so, why didn't/doesn't Trump's DOJ start doing something about these so-called violations of the law?

Last time, Trump tried to use an EO to punish sanctuary cities, but one of those pesky federal judges said it was unconstitutional.

do you really think the majority of Americans want blue cities to assist, protect, and harbor international criminal gangs consisting of illegals?

No, but fortunately, they are not doing any such thing. Criminals get arrested. And SB54...

allows for cooperation between local, state and federal law enforcement in cases of violent illegal immigrants