Why People Believe The Earth is Flat

[Strong in Him]

Your right God does not say all of the above,

So your response which said, "not me, God" - i.e. "it's not me who's saying that everything is faked, it's God", was inaccurate.

 

[Apple Sky]

So your response which said, "not me, God" - i.e. "it's not me who's saying that everything is faked, it's God", was inaccurate.

No by the word of God every you think is reality is not true as the word of God proves this. There is a firmament so everything about space, images, moon-landings are fake. The earth is unmovable therefore the earth does not orbit the sun, it is the sun that traverses the heavens plus the moon and the stars so therefore what you call reality is a lie.

King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

[tharkun73]

For more examples that ignoring context and genre, a priori beliefs, and hyper-literal interpretations lead to silly conclusions, see Ps 17:8, 36:7, 57:1, 61:4, 63:7, 91:4. There we see that scripture gives us an anatomy lesson about God and that He has wings. He apparently is a chicken.

 

[didactics]

There may be dozens of direct contradictions in a story without changing the point of the story. Therefore? They are still contradictions.

However, some contradictions do change the point of the story, for example the one about the thieves on the crosses.

I would disagree, as to call them contradictions is to say that we cannot be sure what really happened. We can look at Mark and Luke and know that from two witnesses (as you know 2 or more witnesses help establish the truth of something) Jairus did in fact approach Jesus to say that his daughter was near death. Now you may look at that and conclude that Matthew was lying or didn't know what he was talking about because he clearly got it wrong. So what is your point? What do you conclude from that if Matthew was wrong? If Matthew was wrong, does that mean his account is unreliable and therefore we should say Matthew is not part of canon? That would be ridiculous in my opinion. We know that she eventually did die and they all agree that Jesus rose her from the dead. All of the accounts agree on this one thing and that is the important part. Without the point of the story, yes, you would have a contradiction, but to call a minor difference in the story of Matthew's account a "direct contradiction" is disingenuous.

You can apply the same logic about the thieves on the cross. Both Matthew and Mark say that both robbers mocked Jesus, Luke says one of them did but the other repented. It must be the case that they both mocked him then (the two witness rule), however the point of the story is not lost. In this case, Matthew and Mark both give the shorter version, whereas Luke the historian elaborates. You might object and say "now hold on Luke said one mocked but the other answered him!". My question to you is, so what? What is your point? What do you conclude from this? Are you saying that Luke's testimony is unreliable? Are you to conclude that you cannot be sure what really happened? I don't claim to know exactly how it happened, all I know is that Matthew and Mark say that the robbers said similar things to what the chief priests were saying, along with the scribes and elders. Now did every elder present along with all the scribes and chief priests say, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save."? That is unlikely. It is more likely that one or two said something of that effect while some agreed and said, "Yeah!" or "what do you have to say to that, huh?" and other such things; some of the elders and chief priests standing by (standing by shows their association with them) may have not said anything or simply given a nod. Now would you say Matthew and Mark made a contradiction because not every scribe and elder and chief priest literally said, “He saved others; Himself He cannot save."? Of course not. In the same way, you could say the two robbers reviled Jesus even if it is likely one of them in fact did not say any reviling words. It is likely that his silence showed that he was in agreement with the one doing the reviling. However, Luke being the historian that he is picked up on this and was able to elaborate on this point. The penitent thief likely did not answer the other thief right away. From all appearances it likely did look like he was reviling him too. But if something is stirring in your heart, you don't answer the man right away and correct him. It is likely that both robbers agreed with the elders that they were making some good points, but as he saw Jesus' continued humility even as the robber on the cross began mocking him too, that likely struck a cord in him and got him to reevaluate the situation. In a way you could say that both accounts are true; he reviled him and he repented.

 

[trophy33]

Not me, God.

No, God is not saying that. Stop this misinformation/lying.

 

[trophy33]

Yeah, I've always wondered why his education is with the same people who supposedly are helping NASA fake all this stuff!

The group that gave him his education in creative writing seems to be from England, so it is not even related to the Hollywood in the USA.

 

[trophy33]

Your right God does not say all of the above, what God does say is that he set the sun, moon and all the stars in the firmament that he created & that the earth is unmovable, he also tells us that he is Alpha & Omega & that his words shall never be forgotten.

Oh mine, the ignorance and the refusal of facts again and again.

Even if you knew nothing about Bible and about its culture, language, problems, uncertainties and issues, you should be at least able to see that Genesis 1 is about God, not in the first person, so it cannot be God telling/writing/presenting the dramatic story.

 

[Apple Sky]

Even if you knew nothing about Bible and about its culture, language, problems, uncertainties and issues, you should be at least able to see that Genesis 1 is about God, not in the first person, so it cannot be God telling/writing/presenting the dramatic story.

Here we go again

King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

 

[prodromos]

Here we go again

King James Bible
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

So which words in the Bible are spoken by God? Those are the words which shall not pass away.

 

[Apple Sky]

So which words in the Bible are spoken by God? Those are the words which shall not pass away.

Jesus himself Matthew 24:35

 

[prodromos]

Jesus himself Matthew 24:35

I'm sure you can find many more examples than that.

 

[David Lamb]

Your right God does not say all of the above, what God does say is that he set the sun, moon and all the stars in the firmament that he created & that the earth is unmovable, he also tells us that he is Alpha & Omega & that his words shall never be forgotten.

God says that the earth shall not be moved, but that cannot mean that it doesn't move at all, because His word also says:

“The voice of Your thunder was in the whirlwind; The lightnings lit up the world; The earth trembled and shook.” (Ps 77:18 NKJV)

A completely unmoveable earth doesn't tremble and shake. The earth moving by revolving and by orbiting the sun is not what the bible is referring to when it says that the earth shall not be moved. If God put the earth in orbit, and made it revolve on its axis every 24 hours, saying it shall not be moved can mean that it won't be moved out of its orbit.

 

[Apple Sky]

A completely unmoveable earth doesn't tremble and shake.

What about earthquakes ?

 

[Strong in Him]

No by the word of God every you think is reality is not true as the word of God proves this.

The Bible is not a science textbook.
The Bible was NOT written to teach us science/astronomy/biology.
The Bible is by God and about God and his plan of salvation.

If the Bible had been written to teach us about the shape of the planet and give scientific detail about how everything was made, how each species developed and so on, it would clearly say so. Scientists, who are interested in truth and the reason behind things, would have confirmed it all with their investigations and would be forced to admit that the Bible is true and gives an accurate picture about life and everything. Even if they didn't want to believe in Jesus, they would have to concede that science backed up the Bible and what God says. Non-believers might also be willing to read the Bible, knowing that scientists had confirmed it to be true.
You do not seem to understand, or cannot admit, that. Instead, you are reading the Creation accounts - which are written in the 3rd person; God never said "then I created ....", and which are poetic - and saying "this is our reality; everything that I can see and observe is fake."

There is a firmament so everything about space, images, moon-landings are fake.

If the Bible is your only source:
where does it say that the firmament - or sky - is solid so that nothing can get through it?
where does it say the moon is made of plasma and cannot be walked on?
where does it say, "this is God's scientific description of how he made the earth, trees, and everything"?

The earth is unmovable therefore the earth does not orbit the sun, it is the sun that traverses the heavens plus the moon and the stars so therefore what you call reality is a lie.

If you go around with your eyes closed you will miss the reality, and wonders, of God's creation.

 

[Apple Sky]

Watch at 12:00 min

THE STRANDED ASTRONAUT PSYOP NASA CREW LAND SAFE ON EARTH THANKS TO CGI.

MIRRORED FROM NATIONS CONSPIRE. https://youtu.be/YvnAc0hvhe8?si=uMsa4XW1VcTHMsMw

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[David Lamb]

What about earthquakes ?

Yes exactly. The earth does move, at God's direction. It cannot be moved by anything else.

 

[Apple Sky]

Yes exactly. The earth does move, at God's direction. It cannot be moved by anything else.

How come it says in the Bible that the earth is unmovable ?

Watch at 12:00 min

THE STRANDED ASTRONAUT PSYOP NASA CREW LAND SAFE ON EARTH THANKS TO CGI.

MIRRORED FROM NATIONS CONSPIRE. https://youtu.be/YvnAc0hvhe8?si=uMsa4XW1VcTHMsMw

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[David Lamb]

How come it says in the Bible that the earth is unmovable ?

It cannot be moved from where God wants it to be.

 

[Strong in Him]

How come it says in the Bible that the earth is unmovable ?

The Bible is not a science textbook.

 

[Apple Sky]

Watch at 11:21 min

THE STRANDED ASTRONAUT PSYOP NASA CREW LAND SAFE ON EARTH THANKS TO CGI.

MIRRORED FROM NATIONS CONSPIRE. https://youtu.be/YvnAc0hvhe8?si=uMsa4XW1VcTHMsMw

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