Girls Forced to Undress In Front Of Transgirl in School

[DaisyDay]

No it doeant at all. You support this when you support men in women's spaces because this is the result of your support. And since this is the result then it's a perfect representation of your position.

Great. Gaslighting me about my own position. How lovely it is to have my own views manspained to me! But no, my position is not that I "think it's really necessary or important for men to get naked around women or girls."

Maybe your position is that ita okay for males to be in womens spaces as long as they don't get undressed there? Is it okay for a male to be in a girls locker room as long as he doesn't get undressed there?

Obviously you are going for the ridiculous here.

No I'm repeating g what you said. You said:

I have been around naked men and I have never yet been compelled to try to put any of them in jail.

You said men. Okay I think I understand what you were saying.

Then why the misrepresentation and slimy implication?

But I cerrainly wonder about the situations you are talking about. Are you trying to use typical situations here? Like your boyfriend or husband? Most certainly you wouldnt want them in jail. Or are you talking about being in a public place with naked men who stopped down in front of you?

Thanks for asking! I don't know if what is typical for me is typical for you. Husband/boyfriend is actually not that typical as we are not naked for most of our waking and sleeping hours, but one or both of us will occasionally be naked without anyone threatening to jail anyone. In my wild days, I have gone skinny dipping on a couple of very atypical situations (hot sulfur springs, flooded quarry hole). In my art student days, I have spent countless hours drawing people, some of whom were gasp! naked men!

Did you catch[/ur] this part of the post you quoted?

Third, if some random person - who definitely is not the poster who came up with this stoopid scenario - just out of the blue undressed in front of me (on the street, in the ladies' room not in the stall) I would want him or her to get help because this is not usual; I would be more concerned than horrified or angry.

Is that what "stopped down in front of you" means? That's not a phrase I'm familiar with.

Do you think hes actually going to come out and admit that if thats what he's doing?

Sure. That would probably garner them high-fives from his boy buddies if that were the case and less likely to get beat up by bigoted bullies.

He's either a pervert or he's sick. And if he's sick he shouldn't be projecting his illness onto the girls and force them to participate in it.

Transgendered people exist.

Sounds like a bunch of leftist speak for we want boys to be able to undress in front of girls, even if the girls don't want that.

It sounds nothing like that unless one plugs one's ears while chanting the same; then, maybe a bit.

The girls were fine with undressing around other girls.

How do you know? Was some poll taken?

They weren't okay with undressing around boys.

They who? Exactly how many of the girls didn't want to change around this particular classmate? We know of one, the daughter of an anti-trans activist, Moms for Liberty.

Rhe Illinois law is just a sick and perverted law that has politicized the rhe rights of men over women and boys over girls all i. Rhe

I hate to break it to you but there are also transmen/transboys who use the men's/boy's spaces in the same way - to change their clothes!

 

[DaisyDay]

Yes you said they need help. And you'd want them to.

Under what circumstances did I specify? Context.

But the general leftist view is that its not weird and it's acceptable.

Why lecture me on what you consider the "general leftist view" to be? And I suspect you are misstating that the same as you've misstated my views.

If you are supporting allowing boys in girls spaces then you are accepting this.

This may be true, but only in your imagination. I happen to know what I accept and don't way better than you do, obviously.

So while you may say they need help, you are also saying it's acceptable that they behave this way and subject others to it.

How is saying ,"Get help" the same as saying, "It's acceptable"? Is someone saying, "It's not acceptable" mean they want them lynched or given the Matthew Shepard treatment?

This gaslighting is unacceptable.

 

[DaisyDay]

Then go do what YOU think YOU need to do. YOUR inability to defend YOUR personal positions does not mean I am personally attacking YOU This just demonstrates YOUR personal insecurity and inability to justify YOUR position that YOU posted on this thread.

Those aren't my personal opinions that I am not defending. Those are straw men and flimsy ones at that. This sure feels like a personal attack...

So again, I ask, would YOU be okay with a grown man exposing himself to YOUR daughter/granddaughter on the street? if not, how then are YOU going to justify it happening in a girl's bathroom?

I dunno, this strange obsession in a thread about middle school gym class is weird and not in a good way.

Just because you cannot, or unwilling, to defend your statement doesn't mean I am personally attacking you.

Once again, what statement exactly? I am not going to try to defend a position I don't hold no matter how many times you ask after being told that I don't hold this position. This repeated malicious question has become a personal attack as it blatantly misrepresents my stated views.

I am attracting[] your statement...period. Now, again I ask, if are you okay with a man exposing himself to a little girl in a woman's space, how then can you justify any resistance towards a man exposing himself anywhere else?

My goodness! I've already told you that that if is a giant problem because: NOT.

Because I guarantee that if I waved my junk around your grand daughter at the school playground, you would have me hauled off in handcuffs.

I hope this is not a lived experience for any one but merely an imagined one - and even then.....

But for some reason, if I put on a wigg and some lip stick, I could wave my junk around our [?!?] grandchild in a woman's bathroom and you would be completely fine with it. Please explain.

I have already explained that this isn't my view. Saying "please" doesn't mitigate the falsity of the above accusation.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Great. Gaslighting me about my own position. How lovely it is to have my own views manspained to me! But no, my position is not that I "think it's really necessary or important for men to get naked around women or girls."

Obviously you are going for the ridiculous here.

Then why the misrepresentation and slimy implication?

Thanks for asking! I don't know if what is typical for me is typical for you. Husband/boyfriend is actually not that typical as we are not naked for most of our waking and sleeping hours, but one or both of us will occasionally be naked without anyone threatening to jail anyone. In my wild days, I have gone skinny dipping on a couple of very atypical situations (hot sulfur springs, flooded quarry hole). In my art student days, I have spent countless hours drawing people, some of whom were gasp! naked men!

Did you catch[/ur] this part of the post you quoted?


Is that what "stopped down in front of you" means? That's not a phrase I'm familiar with.
Sure. That would probably garner them high-fives from his boy buddies if that were the case and less likely to get beat up by bigoted bullies.
Transgendered people exist.
It sounds nothing like that unless one plugs one's ears while chanting the same; then, maybe a bit.
How do you know? Was some poll taken?
They who? Exactly how many of the girls didn't want to change around this particular classmate? We know of one, the daughter of an anti-trans activist, Moms for Liberty.
I hate to break it to you but there are also transmen/transboys who use the men's/boy's spaces in the same way - to change their clothes!

Please, move on.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Those aren't my personal opinions that I am not defending. Those are straw men and flimsy ones at that. This sure feels like a personal attack...

I dunno, this strange obsession in a thread about middle school gym class is weird and not in a good way.

Once again, what statement exactly? I am not going to try to defend a position I don't hold no matter how many times you ask after being told that I don't hold this position. This repeated malicious question has become a personal attack as it blatantly misrepresents my stated views.

My goodness! I've already told you that that if is a giant problem because: NOT.

I hope this is not a lived experience for any one but merely an imagined one - and even then.....

I have already explained that this isn't my view. Saying "please" doesn't mitigate the falsity of the above accusation.

Okay. Sure. Anything that makes you feel uncomfortable is a "personal attack." Your statement demonstrated on this forum show that you are fine with men waving their penis in front of you in the woman's locker room. Although that is just wierd to me, you do you boo. But when confronting you about men waving their membership to underage girls in a bathroom, you still respond with the same condensation and noshalance. Therefore I ask, why limit it to a bathroom? Why not allow it on the street? Your answer? PERSONAL ATTACKS!

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I didn't say that was the case in all locker rooms. But there can be other problems like being late for class because you had to wait on the private changing area or had to go to another location to access it

So they’re late.

Maine girl involved in trans athlete battle reveals how state's policies hurt her childhood and sports career

Maine high school student Cassidy Carlisle spoke to Fox News Digital about her experience with transgenders in the state and how they hurt her childhood and athletic career.

www.foxnews.com

I don’t click tabloid news links.

 

[BPPLEE]

So they’re late.

I don’t click tabloid news links.

There are consequences for being late and I didn't know Fox News is a tabloid now
Tabloid:
a newspaper having pages half the size of those of a standard newspaper, typically popular in style and dominated by headlines, photographs, and sensationalstories.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

But I am not a woman, and I know I am not a woman, not even a man pretending to be a woman.

Ok. Good for you, I guess?

In this situation, I would be a man exposing myself to women and young girls in such a way that anyone with any level of sanity would have me arrested.

Getting changed in a locker room is not “exposing yourself” in a way that would “have you arrested.” You’re doing what one does in a locker room.

Are you okay with grown men exposing themselves in public to little children?

Are you going to just keep revamping the parameters of the question so as to get the answer you want…?

Let me help you out… I do not think nudity is a big deal. I think being naked in a locker room is normal and natural and if you don’t want to be seen while naked, you use a stall. I think that it’s weird that we are talking about a penis in a locker room for women turns into a “we need to protect women from men because men can’t control themselves,” but when women talk about the precautions they take while dating to stay safe, it becomes a “not all men…” rant.

You seem to be fine with it in woman's spaces. What's the difference between exposing genitalia to little girls on the street vs in a girl's bathroom?

If you can’t see what the difference is between seeing a little girl on the street then taking your genitalia out, and being naked in a bathroom, I sincerely can’t help you. And for somebody who claims to have a problem with it, you sure have a big focus on creating scenarios that involve you exposing yourself to people.

 

[BPPLEE]

Ok. Good for you, I guess?

Getting changed in a locker room is not “exposing yourself” in a way that would “have you arrested.” You’re doing what one does in a locker room.

Are you going to just keep revamping the parameters of the question so as to get the answer you want…?

Let me help you out… I do not think nudity is a big deal. I think being naked in a locker room is normal and natural and if you don’t want to be seen while naked, you use a stall. I think that it’s weird that we are talking about a penis in a locker room for women turns into a “we need to protect women from men because men can’t control themselves,” but when women talk about the precautions they take while dating to stay safe, it becomes a “not all men…” rant.

If you can’t see what the difference is between seeing a little girl on the street then taking your genitalia out, and being naked in a bathroom, I sincerely can’t help you. And for somebody who claims to have a problem with it, you sure have a big focus on creating scenarios that involve you exposing yourself to people.

So you would "choose the bear" unless it's in a locker room

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Ok. Good for you, I guess?

Getting changed in a locker room is not “exposing yourself” in a way that would “have you arrested.” You’re doing what one does in a locker room.

Are you going to just keep revamping the parameters of the question so as to get the answer you want…?

Let me help you out… I do not think nudity is a big deal. I think being naked in a locker room is normal and natural and if you don’t want to be seen while naked, you use a stall. I think that it’s weird that we are talking about a penis in a locker room for women turns into a “we need to protect women from men because men can’t control themselves,” but when women talk about the precautions they take while dating to stay safe, it becomes a “not all men…” rant.

If you can’t see what the difference is between seeing a little girl on the street then taking your genitalia out, and being naked in a bathroom, I sincerely can’t help you. And for somebody who claims to have a problem with it, you sure have a big focus on creating scenarios that involve you exposing yourself to people.

Seeing how you want to jump in and answer questions not directed towards you, feel free to answer this question. Would you be okay with a grown man exposing himself to young girls in public? If not, why would a grown man exposing himself in a girl's bathroom be any different?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

If you are a biological woman i don't believe your little story about what you'd do.

Thank you for mansplaining to me what you think my reaction would be. I’m sure your assessment of what I would do, given that you know nothing about me at all, must be more accurate than what I think I would do or what I have done. Sorry for mistakenly believing I knew me better than you do.

If you are in a womans space some dude walks in and gets naked in front of you you don't mind your own business.

Yes, I do. Actually. You want to rewrite what I’d do so it matches your narrative, but that rewrite doesn’t match what I actually would do. And anytime I’ve been somewhere that I notice somebody is nude, with my equipment or the opposite, I have able to carry on just fine.

You have proven to not be that kind of person by virtue of these threads.

Me being a smart, well-informed, and opinionated person who debates people on a debate forum is proof I’d confront people over being nude in a locker room…? Or nude in general? Weird assumption but whatever.

You want to tell everyone else they should be perfectly fine with men in women's spaces, regardless of how the women feel about it.

I’m saying that I’m smart enough to know that places like locker rooms are going to have people in various states of undress and that I am also smart enough to go to a stall if I want privacy. I’m saying that I’m a woman and seeing a nude person of any gender isn’t a big deal. You’re the one (a man) telling me (a woman) how I should feel about it and pretending that you’re speaking for all women.

If you really minded your own business you wouldn't be doing that.

I do mind my own business, and if somebody wants to be upset because they want privacy in a public space, I tell them their solution is to find a stall, use it, and your problem is solved.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Since you’re a woman, a man has ZERO right to invade your personal space. Period.

A locker room is not my personal space.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

There are consequences for being late

Gym teachers do not punish people for being late when they have a line to use a bathroom. That’s silly.

and I didn't know Fox News is a tabloid now
Tabloid:
a newspaper having pages half the size of those of a standard newspaper, typically popular in style and dominated by headlines, photographs, and sensationalstories.

I’m glad I could clear up that Fox is tabloid news for you.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I have already explained

Well, you have explained that you have no problem with grown men waving their junk in your face in a woman's bathroom (which is wierd), but you have yet to answer the question if it is appropriate for a man to do the same thing to a girl in another setting. You seem to be avoiding and distracting from the question by diverting the attention on me with a foux outrage and accusations of personal attacks.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

So you would "choose the bear" unless it's in a locker room

The whole basis of choosing the bear is who you would rather meet when alone and isolated in the woods, not if I feel comfortable seeing nudity of either gender in a public locker room.

 

[BPPLEE]

Gym teachers do not punish people for being late when they have a line to use a bathroom. That’s silly.

I’m glad I could clear up that Fox is tabloid news for you.

In the article that you won't read because you're confused about what a tabloid is the girl was warned about being late

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Seeing how you want to jump in and answer questions not directed towards you, feel free to answer this question.

You seem a little confused. Every question I answered was directed at me.

Would you be okay with a grown man exposing himself to young girls in public? If not, why would a grown man exposing himself in a girl's bathroom be any different?

Again, another scenario where you’re comparing going up to somebody and exposing yourself, and being in a place where many people are incidentally naked in each others presence.

And, I will say again, if you can’t see the difference in the scenarios of going to a person and showing them your genitals on the street and incidental nudity in a public locker room, I’m not sure I can help you.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

In the article that you won't read because you're confused about what a tabloid is the girl was warned about being late

Oh no.

 

[RileyG]

A locker room is not my personal space.

I meant boundaries. Respect in general. You know?

 

[RileyG]

The whole basis of choosing the bear is who you would rather meet when alone and isolated in the woods, not if I feel comfortable seeing nudity of either gender in a public locker room.

I wouldn’t be comfortable with either one, to be fair? I dunno.