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Trump to use wartime Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport illegal migrants from ‘enemy nations’: sources

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Hasn't the SCOTUS decided that the president does not have to follow the law?
Europe loves the pushover version of the United States. Now we have strong right wing president who can't be thrown in jail for merely being a strong right wing president. Suprise!!!
 
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Hasn't the SCOTUS decided that the president does not have to follow the law?
He is not personally criminally liable, if he's doing something official that happens to be illegal.
 
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Europe loves the pushover version of the United States.
It took some getting used to, but I think I like the current, self-destructing version of the USA more. It will make room for a strengthening europe on the international stage.
 
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It took some getting used to, but I think I like the current, self-destructing version of the USA more. It will make room for a strengthening europe on the international stage.
The American left also wants a strengthened Europe and a diminished US. So I don't understand all the complaining.
 
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I don't think you understand what I'm saying... *YOU* posted Harry Trumans 1945 "proclamation" in post #39:
That is the United States Code, not Truman. Truman was quoting 50 USC 21. (The US Code is the collected laws of the United States with any amendments from subsequent laws applies.)
The text is the same as what I posted - I'm just showing you it's not a codified version of the 1798 Act. It's Truman's very own codified proclamation of his own. During his own time. For his own issue.
Truman's proclamation means nothing to the current situation, unless we are still at war with Rumania.
Im showing you the link you provided earlier in post 39 is invalid and unrelated to the topic of this thread, which is based on Donald Trump's use of the original Act of 1798, which has nothing to do with Trumans "proclamation".
In #39 that *IS* the 1798 law, or rather it is the form that is the current law of the land.
 
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I know. After post 56, you you don't need to say any of this, unless you love being right. Do you love proving yourself right and others wrong I've never been that way.
I hadn't read your post #56 when I replied. Like most sane people I read the threads from the top, or at least where the first unread post is located. No hard feelings. Cheers.
 
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That might well be. I had never heard of them, but if they are committing crimes, they belong behind bars.
But if you had read my contributions in this thread, it is not about defending the TdA. It is about the predictable reaction of the Trump supports to any adverse legal ruling.
The murder of some of their victims, and the Biden administration's coldness toward the plight of their victims, became a huge political issue. Democrats are very loyal to their party, but the dishonesty about the border (the administration claimed the border was safe, secure and closed) along with the two-tiered justice system (not just going after justTrump but going after anyone who did not go along with the establishment) were major factors in Trump's victory. As to left-wing activists in our judicial system, realize there were fifteen injunctions against President Trump's administration in the first month while there only thirteen in Joe Biden's entire administration. And Joe and his people broke the border laws on a regular basis, defied a student loan ruling by the Supreme Court, etc.
 
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From the desk of Robert L. Cerna
Acting Field Office Director
Enforcement and Removal Operations
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement U.S. Department of Homeland Security

Dear Judge,

Because we have no evidence of their criminality, these people are clearly extremely skillful terrorist criminals, highlighting the risk they pose.

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To me, it looks like your summary of what Mr Cerna actually wrote is not accurate.
Our friend posted a verbatim account of what Mr Cerna wrote, how is that inaccurate?
 
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Our friend posted a verbatim account of what Mr Cerna wrote, how is that inaccurate?
I did waggishly summarize it, but he did say in his own words "the lack of [criminal] information ... actually highlights the risk they pose."
 
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I did waggishly summarize it, but he did say in his own words "the lack of [criminal] information ... actually highlights the risk they pose."
Still, the fact that an acting Field Agent supervisor would argue that the lack of documented criminal activity is proof-positive that these individuals were very good at hiding their crimes, is chilling.

Anyone could be construed as a criminal based on such “logic”.
 
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TdA is a terrorist organization. The ones whom that judge is trying to stop being deported are acknowledged members of this terrorist organization.
 
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TdA is a terrorist organization.
A "terrorist organization" that does not engage in anything that meets the definition of "terrorism." Sure.
The ones whom that judge is trying to stop being deported
He's trying to stop them from being deported illegally. They're still in custody. They can still be deported. They just have to get a hearing first. Simple, wouldn't you agree?
are acknowledged members of this terrorist organization.
Ah, no. They're accused members of the organization. Alleged members. Some of them may indeed be members of TdA, but the government has a responsibility to demonstrate it to an immigration judge (at which point they will actually be acknowledged members) before they can be deported. Simple, wouldn't you agree?

Once again, I feel compelled to remind posters that words have meanings.
 
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A "terrorist organization" that does not engage in anything that meets the definition of "terrorism." Sure.

He's trying to stop them from being deported illegally. They're still in custody. They can still be deported. They just have to get a hearing first. Simple, wouldn't you agree?

Ah, no. They're accused members of the organization. Alleged members. Some of them may indeed be members of TdA, but the government has a responsibility to demonstrate it to an immigration judge (at which point they will actually be acknowledged members) before they can be deported. Simple, wouldn't you agree?

Once again, I feel compelled to remind posters that words have meanings.
You really do NOT believe that TdA is a terrorist organization? What do they have to do in order to meet your definition of terrorism that they haven't already done multiple times???
 
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You really do NOT believe that TdA is a terrorist organization? What do they have to do in order to meet your definition of terrorism that they haven't already done multiple times???
Terrorism is the commission of criminally violent acts in order to advance a political agenda. They meet the first half of the definition, but not the second, as they have no political goals or interests.

Terrorism is not just "scary violence" - as I said, words have meanings.
 
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Terrorism is the commission of criminally violent acts in order to advance a political agenda. They meet the first half of the definition, but not the second, as they have no political goals or interests.

Terrorism is not just "scary violence" - as I said, words have meanings.
TdA's political agenda is all about anarchy and then controlling communities.
 
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