(Short Clip) Elon Musk On Joe Rogan's Podcast, Its Gonna Get Me Killed!

[Belk]

The forum doesn't have a clue on your qualifications are, I'm president of the US do you believe me?

So now I'm lying about my experience? Classy.

You don't have a clue what Elon Musk is doing with his tech wizards

I know the limits of what can be accomplished and what it outside the realm of possibility. No amount of magical thinking applied to "tech wizards" can change that.

 

[expos4ever]

Well President Trump has stated a 25% tariff on imported goods from Canada will begin on Apr 2, 2025 we will see in about 3 weeks if he's a liar?

Donald Trump does lie repeatedly. This is a matter of documented fact. Not every single thing he says is a lie, of course.

Trump MAGA, America First!

How does "America first" square up with the teachings of the carpenter from Nazareth who clearly taught that we should consider others as more important than ourselves?

Look, no one is denying that the head of state needs to look after his own nation. However, Donald Trump is espousing an "America first and may the devil take the hindmost" attitude that should be rejected by anyone who is committed to Christian principles.

 

[expos4ever]

I knew this would happen. I asked a very clear question: how can a person who supports the annexation of a free and sovereign nation against its will not be a bad person?

And, of course, this question has not been answered. And the reason is simple: if believing in such a forced annexation of an entire people against its will doesn't make you a bad person, what does?

And, of course, those who know that they support Mr Trump in this are not going to admit that they are bad people.

 

[Landon Caeli]

How can a person who supports the annexation of a free and sovereign nation against its will not be a bad person?

And, of course, this question has not been answered. And the reason is simple: if believing in such a forced annexation of an entire people against its will doesn't make you a bad person, what does?

And, of course, those who know that they support Mr Trump in this are not going to admit that they are bad people.

A person who supports the annexation of a free and sovereign nation against it's will is *indeed* a bad person... That's why nobody except Putin is doing that.

Why are you saying Trump or anyone in America is doing this?

 

[Always in His Presence]

It is now getting to the point of the destruction of property and violence towards people who have the audacity to own a vehicle made by a man who works for a party you don't like.

 

[expos4ever]

A person who supports the annexation of a free and sovereign nation against it's will is *indeed* a bad person... That's why nobody except Putin is doing that.

Why are you saying Trump or anyone in America is doing this?

Well Trump is obviously doing exactly what I am talking about.

In the case of Canada, he is clearly using economic force with the clearly stated intent to make us the 51st state. However by an overwhelming majority, Canadians do not want this.

How does not make Trump an awful person? And likewise, those who support him in this?

 

[expos4ever]

It is now getting to the point of the destruction of property and violence towards people who have the audacity to own a vehicle made by a man who works for a party you don't like.

I suggest you're framing this in a somewhat misleading way. Clearly, those who are angry at Musk do not simply have a vague "dislike" for the Republican party. They have very specific, and I would suggest legitimate, reasons to be extremely angry with him. Take the Nazi salute, just for starters. And then there is his Nerd Reich squad firing people as if they were shooting at goblins in mother's basement while playing video games.

Look, I do not believe anyone is suggesting that it is acceptable to commit vandalism on Teslas. But it is a little unfair to imply that this action is attributable to a mirror "dislike" - Elon Musk is ruining lives. And doing it with apparent glee as he prances around on stage wielding a chainsaw, showing absolutely no concern for the consequences of what he is about to do. The man is beneath contempt.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Well Trump is obviously doing exactly what I am talking about.

In the case of Canada, he is clearly using economic force with the clearly stated intent to make us the 51st state. However by an overwhelming majority, Canadians do not want this.

How does not make Trump an awful person? And likewise, those who support him in this?

False.

Trump imposed tariffs on Mexico and Canada to force the two countries to take a stronger stand on illegal immigrantion into the United States, and to curb the flow of fentanyl.

...That's what he says, and that's what it is. We shouldn't make up imaginary scenario's to fuel conspiracy theories.

Canadians should have complied with Trump on these issues to begin with. But no, stubbornness and hard-headedness take the win, and what you see is the result of that kind of behavior.

 

[Always in His Presence]

I suggest you're framing this in a somewhat misleading way.

no - I'm not - but the rest of your post was certainly framed incorrectly.

 

[expos4ever]

no - I'm not - but the rest of your post was certainly framed incorrectly.

Evasive. I clearly explained how your post was framed in a misleading way. In a serious discussion, you should actually make the case that my characterization is incorrect.

The floor is yours - please explain to all of us exactly how my argument is flawed.

 

[expos4ever]

False.

No. Please respect the facts. It is a simple fact that:

a. Trump has called for annexation
b. Canadians do not want this.

These are brute facts that prove that Mr. Trump is undertaking a morally despicable act - the forced annexation of a free, sovereign nation.

Supporters of Trump in this need to hang their heads in shame.

 

[expos4ever]

Trump imposed tariffs on Mexico and Canada to force the two countries to take a stronger stand on illegal immigrantion into the United States, and to curb the flow of fentanyl.

Not the point!

Let's say you are right - that Canada should curb the flow of the miniscule amount of fentanyl flowing from Canada into the US and tighten our border.

The appropriate response on the part of the US is to negotiate and / or apply appropriate pressure. But threatening annexation of a free and sovereign people is downright evil. This is Hitler talk!

From Brittanica

Hitler’s first objective was the annexation of Austria. After the unsuccessful putsch of 1934, Hitler for a time had to go carefully, but then closer cooperation with Mussolini, who had hitherto been the most determined opponent of an Anschluss, opened up new possibilities. On July 11, 1936, a so-called gentlemen’s agreement was concluded between Germany and Austria, which was used by the German government as a means of exercising pressure on Kurt von Schuschnigg’s government in Vienna. Hitler sought to preserve the facade of legality while applying political pressure under the threat, but without the overt use, of force. On February 12, 1938, Schuschnigg, the Austrian chancellor, was bullied into accepting far-reaching demands during an interview with Hitler at Berchtesgaden.

Trump is an imperialist who should be removed from power forthwith if he continues in this regard.

 

[Landon Caeli]

No. Please respect the facts. It is a simple fact that:

a. Trump has called for annexation
b. Canadians do not want this.

These are brute facts that prove that Mr. Trump is undertaking a morally despicable act - the forced annexation of a free, sovereign nation.

Supporters of Trump in this need to hang their heads in shame.

You were wrong about his "stated intent" to use economic force to push Canada into being the 51st state.

...Now you say that because Trump has called for annexation, that he is morally despicable, and his followers should hang their heads in shame.

It's no use carrying on with you.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This is Hitler talk!

From Brittanica

Hitler’s first objective was the annexation of Austria. After the unsuccessful putsch of 1934, Hitler for a time had to go carefully, but then closer cooperation with Mussolini, who had hitherto been the most determined opponent of an Anschluss, opened up new possibilities. On July 11, 1936, a so-called gentlemen’s agreement was concluded between Germany and Austria, which was used by the German government as a means of exercising pressure on Kurt von Schuschnigg’s government in Vienna. Hitler sought to preserve the facade of legality while applying political pressure under the threat, but without the overt use, of force. On February 12, 1938, Schuschnigg, the Austrian chancellor, was bullied into accepting far-reaching demands during an interview with Hitler at Berchtesgaden.
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Trump is an imperialist who should be removed from power forthwith if he continues in this regard. Perhaps father time will solve the problem for us.

Trump is like Hitler now. And I'm like a Nazi.

HEIL TRUMP!!!

 

[expos4ever]

You were wrong about his "stated intent" to use economic force to push Canada into being the 51st state.

Even if I am wrong about his intent, you have to know that this is not relevant.

Mr. Trump has clearly, and repeatedly, stated that he wants to annex Canada. And it is equally clear that Canadians do not want this.

The floor is yours: How can anyone support such a position and not be a fundamentally bad / damaged person?

...Now you say that because Trump has called for annexation, that he is morally despicable, and his followers should hang their heads in shame.

He is morally despicable -this is fact. How can anyone who pushes for forced annexation of 40 million people not be morally despicable? Again, if you have an explanation to offer, please proceed.

It's no use carrying on with you.

You are in an impossible position - you know that what Trump is promoting is a monstrous evil. So first, you distract with clearly irrelevant points.

And now you bow out. But what choice do you have ?- the two options are to accept the demonstrable truth that forced annexation of a sovereign nation is a monstrous evil, or to head for the exits.

If you had a case that my characterization of Mr. Trump is wrong, you would obviously provide it.

 

[expos4ever]

Trump is like Hitler now. And I'm like a Nazi.

HEIL TRUMP!!!

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Anyone who supports the forced annexation of a free and sovereign people is begging to draw comparisons with Hitler.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Mr. Trump has clearly, and repeatedly, stated that he wants to annex Canada. And it is equally clear that Canadians do not want this.

The floor is yours: How can anyone support such a position and not be a fundamentally bad / damaged person?

He is morally despicable -this is fact. How can anyone who pushes for forced annexation of 40 million people not be morally despicable? Again, if you have an explanation to offer, please proceed.

The "forced annexation" of Canada = saying you want to annex Canada..???

...It's a flawed argument, but I don't expect to change your mind. In the meantime, HEIL TRUMP!!!

As said by the mighty Cobra Kai "strike first, strike hard, no mercy"!

 

[Always in His Presence]

Evasive. I clearly explained how your post was framed in a misleading way. In a serious discussion, you should actually make the case that my characterization is incorrect.

The floor is yours - please explain to all of us exactly how my argument is flawed.

You asked for it -

I suggest you're framing this in a somewhat misleading way.

And I you.

Clearly, those who are angry at Musk do not simply have a vague "dislike" for the Republican party. They have very specific, and I would suggest legitimate, reasons to be extremely angry with him.

Which is resulting in death threats and might get him killed - they already tried to kill Trump twice and the left has a history of violence. You can be angry - even very angry - the moment you go after a man's life, well being is when you should be jailed, not hailed as a hero.

Take the Nazi salute, just for starters.

You were saying?

And then there is his Nerd Reich squad firing people as if they were shooting at goblins in mother's basement while playing video games.

Hard to address and overly dramatic statement - sophomoric quips seldom rise to helping prove a point.

Look, I do not believe anyone is suggesting that it is acceptable to commit vandalism on Teslas.

On that - we agree

But it is a little unfair to imply that this action is attributable to a mirror "dislike"

I never said it was a minor 'dislike' - perhaps you are addressing the wrong individual.

- Elon Musk is ruining lives. And doing it with apparent glee as he prances around on stage wielding a chainsaw, showing absolutely no concern for the consequences of what he is about to do. The man is beneath contempt.

Thank you for your opinion - but:

Rasmussen Poll: Plurality of Voters Support Musk, DOGE​

A majority of likely voters say they support President Donald Trump's decision to put Elon Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), Rasmussen Reports survey results show.​

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Among the voters, 55% say they approve of Musk being in charge of DOGE, and that includes 38% who strongly approve, Rasmussen poll results found.​

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Another 45% disapprove of Musk running DOGE, including 37% who strongly disapprove.​

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A political party breakdown shows 83% of Republicans, 28% of Democrats, and 55% of unaffiliated voters at least somewhat approving of Musk being in charge of DOGE.​

And so for those reasons I believe you are framing your statement in a somewhat misleading way. Thank you for allowing me the opportunities to share what I believe are the flaws in your argument.

 

[expos4ever]

Which is resulting in death threats and might get him killed - they already tried to kill Trump twice and the left has a history of violence. You can be angry - even very angry - the moment you go after a man's life, well being is when you should be jailed, not hailed as a hero.

First of all, it is patently absurd to draw a connection between two people who tried to kill Trump and the "left" in general. This is clearly the fallacy of the anecdote.

Second, let's remember what you wrote that elicited my response. Here is what you wrote:

It is now getting to the point of the destruction of property and violence towards people who have the audacity to own a vehicle made by a man who works for a party you don't like.

You are clearly suggesting that the vandals have no substantive motivation for their actions - you are basically saying they are vandalizing Teslas because they "don't like" Republicans. And it would indeed be kind of crazy to vandalize a car based on "not liking" someone.

The reality, however, is that Elon Musk has more than earned the anger directed at him - he has destroyed lives and taken glee in so doing. Lest anyone misrepresent me, I am, of course, not saying that vandalizing cars is OK, simply that people have antagonized to a point that is beyond "not liking" Republicans.

So I am not sure how what you write above is relevant - I have never stated, suggested, or remotely implied that act of violence should be condoned.

 

[expos4ever]

Rasmussen Poll: Plurality of Voters Support Musk, DOGE

A majority of likely voters say they support President Donald Trump's decision to put Elon Musk in charge of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), Rasmussen Reports survey results show.​

Not sure where you are getting these numbers - I tried to access the link but was told I needed an account. We need to see the actual poll question.

From the Guardian:

“Sixty per cent of voters disapprove of the way Elon Musk and … Doge are dealing with workers employed by the federal government, while 36% approve,” Quinnipiac said.

While the question in this poll may be slightly different, it shows that almost twice as many people disapprove of what Musk is doing to federal employees compared to how many approve.

But here is the main point: let's say that a majority of likely voters do indeed support what Musk is doing. How is that relevant? The real question is not what people think but what is actually the case.