Woman in Woman's Restroom in Tucson Walmart confronted by sheriff's deputies; One deputy insisted she “looked like a man”

[rjs330]

OK, sounds wonderful.

Why, you want to spend a lot time in womens only spaces?

 

[rjs330]

You know I was responding to the link provided, which was about women going into a mans restroom.

I dont care what you were responding to. I'm responding to your comment.

 

[rjs330]

Yes, absolutely. We don't go around shooting black people because we are scared the scary coloured person might do something bad.

Are we talking about killing people or just simply making sure a crime isn't going to take place? I don't think we should be going around and shooting anyone.

But if someone is somewhere they shouldn't be and those someones have committed crimes there then yes we should check it out. Did you somehow think checking it out is equal to going around and shooting people? Seems like an odd comparison.

Just as we don't assume a Trans person is going to harm anyone in the toilet.

I dont think anyone assumed that at all. But if you think so, you should ask them and find out if they think that.

To save you a question, no I don't assume that.

 

[rjs330]

next minute you provide a link about a trans woman shaving.

It was a man shaving and he was in womens space. A womans locker room where women undress. Entirely inappropriate. Do you know he wasnt there to get his sexual jollies by staring at undressing or undressed women?

 

[BPPLEE]

It was a man shaving and he was in womens space. A womans locker room where women undress. Entirely inappropriate. Do you know he wasnt there to get his sexual jollies by staring at undressing or undressed women?

Have you seen the pictures? The guy is not even trying to look like a woman, he’s just a man in the women’s locker room

 

[rjs330]

Trans woman has the biological sex of a male. that is irrelevant to the discussion.

No its not. It's perfectly relevant. Womens spaces are for biological women. They are not for men who dress like a woman or like womens things or think they feel.like a woman (whatever that means).

So they are talking about a role, not a biological sex.

So this is a performative thing then?

Trans woman has the biological sex of a male. that is irrelevant to the discussion.
And if you are trying to imply that the person you are talking to thinks the Trans woman has the biological sex of a female, then you are straw manning. Because no-one thinks that. No one will dispute that.

Good, then you should know that they don't belong in a womans space. Because a woman is biologically determined.

 

[rjs330]

People in general can be dangerous and some like to expose themselves. There is nothing special about Trans people in that regard.

That's correct. And women have no.idea if the man exposing themselves is really Trans or not. Whats special is the fact that men can CLAIM to be Trans and there is nothing to stop them from doing so and being in womens spaces.

Can you tell if a man is really Trans by looking at them?

If we get rid of all the people of the world, then we won't have people exposing themselves, we won't have rape, we won't have sexual abuse.

That's true. And if we get rid of men in women's spaces we will have fewer men exposing themselves, fewer sexual.assaults and rape or surreptitious observation ot men getting off on being in the womens space. We will also have fewer women being harmed in their sporting events including the harm of losing out on awards and scholarships.

However, if we get rid of all the Trans people, we will still have people exposing themselves, people raping, people sexual abusing.

Yes we will. But we will have fewer men doing those things.

So I don't understand why the USA right are so focused on Trans people?

Because we care about women?

 

[rjs330]

There was no reasonable suspicion of a crime.

Od course there was. A man being somewhere he's not supposed to be. If a neighbor saw a man going into your garage in the middle of the night wouldn't you want them calling the police? Or should they wait until morning after you confirm all your stuff is stolen? Hey there is no crime in Arizona for someone to walk into your garage in the middle of the night. After all it could be your boyfriend who has your permission. But your neighbor doesn't know that.

But people were talking about the "safety of females." Obviously more men, even if the additions are police officers, are not going to make women feel safer about being in the bathroom.

I think they are. Especially if they did find a man in there doing something he wasnt supposed to. I think women would thank them. If the woman was assaulted and the police just hung around outside, I think they'd be upset.

What males were in a bathroom? I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to understand when it was a woman in a woman's restroom, merely that someone misidentified her.

Yes that's true, but the caller didn't know that did they. This woman wanted to.look like a dude and guess what, it worked! No one knew until the police looked into it.

The went into a women's restroom and "investigated" a person, even if male, that was not breaking any laws.

We've already discussed this. They didnt do anything wrong with this.

Since they had no reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed, they had no cause to investigate.

There was reasonable suspicion that a crime was going to to be committed because a man was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be.

If the peeked into the stall while she was still on the toilet, as is alleged, that would make it even worse.

Maybe. But we don't really know what they did. Not yet anyway.

It will be interesting to see what comes out about this, perhaps someone will request body camera footage (since it seems like Tucson is not going to release it). OTOH, I strongly suspect that Tucson will try to settle this quietly, so that we don't hear more about the mistakes of their police (and claim they can't release body cam footage since it occurred in a restroom).

They might settle this. And it might not be because the police did anything wrong. City's do that all the time. We have no idea if the police did anything improperly. At least not yet. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

 

[rjs330]

Have you seen the pictures? The guy is not even trying to look like a woman, he’s just a man in the women’s locker room

Yes I have and that's why I said what I did. There was absolutely no way any woman would have any idea that he was so called trans.

 

[rjs330]

No one is asking you to agree with anyone's agenda

That's demostrably false.

 

[rjs330]

Who ever said that a man knows what it is like to be a woman?

I thought you said they feel.like a woman? Am I wrong?

 

[rjs330]

I don't care about "what most people want". I care if there is a rational reason.

There are quite a few rational reasons. And they have been provided over and over again. That fact that you don't see them as rational and think it's more rational to believe that a biological man can actually BE a woman because of his feelings us quite interesting.

 

[BPPLEE]

I thought you said they feel.like a woman? Am I wrong?

I’m not going to feel them and find out

 

[RileyG]

I thought you said they feel.like a woman? Am I wrong?

A man who feels like a woman or self identified as a woman is STILL a man. Period.

No amount of feelings can change that!

 

[RileyG]

That's demostrably false.

EXACTLY! They want us to be ok with men in woman only spaces.

That’s so uncalled for!

 

[RileyG]

There are quite a few rational reasons. And they have been provided over and over again. That fact that you don't see them as rational and think it's more rational to believe that a biological man can actually BE a woman because of his feelings is quite interesting.

Rationally speaking, only biological women belong in woman only spaces.

Men who identify as a woman can use the unisex restroom.

Their feelings or identity do not trump the rights of all women.

Period!

 

[BPPLEE]

 

[RileyG]

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Amen brother!

 

[SimplyMe]

Od course there was. A man being somewhere he's not supposed to be. If a neighbor saw a man going into your garage in the middle of the night wouldn't you want them calling the police? Or should they wait until morning after you confirm all your stuff is stolen? Hey there is no crime in Arizona for someone to walk into your garage in the middle of the night. After all it could be your boyfriend who has your permission. But your neighbor doesn't know that.

I'm sorry, if someone goes into my garage without my permission, that is a crime, even in Arizona. In fact, they aren't allowed to be on my property at all.

Sorry, your weak attempt at whataboutism is weak and doesn't work. The police had no reasonable suspicion of a crime.

I think they are. Especially if they did find a man in there doing something he wasnt supposed to. I think women would thank them. If the woman was assaulted and the police just hung around outside, I think they'd be upset.

Wow, you keep trying to change the facts. The simple fact is that there was no man in the bathroom nor was that person doing anything that was a crime. Beyond that, I would suggest that I have a much better idea about what women would be upset about than you would.

Yes that's true, but the caller didn't know that did they. This woman wanted to.look like a dude and guess what, it worked! No one knew until the police looked into it.

You and others keep making this assumption. Maybe it is true, maybe it was just the way the person looks and they find dressing "male" -- though I don't find the clothing particularly "male" -- is more comfortable and they like short hair. So what if this had been a senior citizen woman, one that (due to menopause) tends to look and sound a bit "male." I've had a female friend that had that issue and seen others. Do they deserve to be bothered, just living their life, just because nature has made them appear "male" to some people?

We've already discussed this. They didnt do anything wrong with this.

There was reasonable suspicion that a crime was going to to be committed because a man was somewhere he wasn't supposed to be.

Again, no, there wasn't. You've not been able to name any crime there was any actual suspicion for, as well as the fact that there was no man somewhere he shouldn't have been. You have to really stretch to make a claim of a violation of a law and, even if we accept your false ideas of "assault" or "voyeurism", the issue is that when the Police went into the bathroom there was no evidence of such a crime. Their investigation technically should have ended there, as at that point they knew there was no crime being committed.

Maybe. But we don't really know what they did. Not yet anyway.

They might settle this. And it might not be because the police did anything wrong. City's do that all the time. We have no idea if the police did anything improperly. At least not yet. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

We pretty much do. Once they entered the bathroom they knew no crime was being committed -- even if the woman would have been a man, since there was no law against men in women's bathrooms. For all we know, the toilet had been out of order in the men's room and, like women often do at concerts and sporting events, the man used the working bathroom (which again, would have been legal). Yet, despite no crime having been committed, they stopped the woman to "investigate" the non-existent crime. That is a wrongful action, even if you don't like that it wasn't a crime.

Again, the equivalent would be police coming into a bathroom and investigating you because a minor had entered the bathroom a little before you, despite no evidence or suspicion you had done anything, even after they entered the bathroom (where you were not near the child).

 

[stevil]

I thought you said they feel.like a woman? Am I wrong?

There is a difference between "feeling like" and knowing.