Woman in Woman's Restroom in Tucson Walmart confronted by sheriff's deputies; One deputy insisted she “looked like a man”

[RileyG]

And this is the problem. It's why it is difficult to have a considered conversation with people like that.
You just simply refuse to listen or try to understand and instead come back with strawman argument. Kills conversation, kills the ability to be graceful in talking about things.

There no straw mans. I don’t care what adults choose to do.

Refuse to listen to what? A man can be a woman because he feels like one or vice versa? That sounds like a delusion to me.

However if trans people want to make women or girls uncomfortable because it’s all about “me me me,” then I will speak out.

 

[BPPLEE]

And this is the problem. It's why it is difficult to have a considered conversation with people like that.
You just simply refuse to listen or try to understand and instead come back with strawman argument. Kills conversation, kills the ability to be graceful in talking about things.

You don’t give an inch. You think trans women should be in women’s spaces and that’s it

 

[RileyG]

You don’t give an inch. You think trans women should be in women’s spaces and that’s it

QFTW

How would a man know what it’s like to be a woman anyway?

That’s the REAL question.

 

[BPPLEE]

You need more examples?

Indecent exposure charges filed against trans woman over L.A. spa incident

Prosecutors have filed charges against a transgender woman at the center of a viral video that sparked violent protests outside a Westlake spa.

www.latimes.com

And because there were a couple of stories about the allegations being false

Person charged with indecent exposure at LA spa after viral Instagram video

Charges filed two months after woman’s claims about Wi Spa sparked anti-trans protests

www.theguardian.com

 

[RileyG]

And because there were a couple of stories about the allegations being false

Person charged with indecent exposure at LA spa after viral Instagram video

Charges filed two months after woman’s claims about Wi Spa sparked anti-trans protests

www.theguardian.com

These folks need serious help.

How sad.

 

[stevil]

You don’t give an inch. You think trans women should be in women’s spaces and that’s it

I don't think trans women are necessarily dangerous

 

[RileyG]

I don't think trans women are necessarily dangerous

Even with the links provided?

I agree most aren’t dangerous.

 

[BPPLEE]

I don't think trans women are necessarily dangerous

Most aren’t dangerous but some like to expose themselves, most just want to live their lives.
You can’t judge based on anecdotal experience either, all the trans people I know are prostitutes. I encountered them when I was in law enforcement and as head of security at a hospital

 

[stevil]

There no straw mans. I don’t care what adults choose to do.

Refuse to listen to what? A man can be a woman because he feels like one or vice versa? That sounds like a delusion to me.

However if trans people want to make women or girls uncomfortable because it’s all about “me me me,” then I will speak out.

When pro trans people talk about gender, they aren't talking about biology. They are talking about a preference to dress like, behave like, look like and be addressed like that of a specific gender role. That gender role could be different from their biological sex. In most cases it isn't, but in some cases it is.

So they are talking about a role, not a biological sex.

So why, when discussing this topic, do people like you keep saying silly things like "Trans “women”= men" or "Define a woman?"?
No one needs to have it pointed out that a Trans woman has the biological sex of a male. that is irrelevant to the discussion.
And if you are trying to imply that the person you are talking to thinks the Trans woman has the biological sex of a female, then you are straw manning. Because no-one thinks that. No one will dispute that.

 

[stevil]

Liable is not the same as a conviction

Yes, correct, and trees aren't the same as grass. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

 

[stevil]

Most aren’t dangerous but some like to expose themselves, most just want to live their lives.
You can’t judge based on anecdotal experience either, all the trans people I know are prostitutes. I encountered them when I was in law enforcement and as head of security at a hospital

People in general can be dangerous and some like to expose themselves. There is nothing special about Trans people in that regard.

If we get rid of all the people of the world, then we won't have people exposing themselves, we won't have rape, we won't have sexual abuse.

However, if we get rid of all the Trans people, we will still have people exposing themselves, people raping, people sexual abusing.

So I don't understand why the USA right are so focused on Trans people?

 

[RileyG]

When pro trans people talk about gender, they aren't talking about biology. They are talking about a preference to dress like, behave like, look like and be addressed like that of a specific gender role. That gender role could be different from their biological sex. In most cases it isn't, but in some cases it is.

So they are talking about a role, not a biological sex.

So why, when discussing this topic, do people like you keep saying silly things like "Trans “women”= men" or "Define a woman?"?
No one needs to have it pointed out that a Trans woman has the biological sex of a male. that is irrelevant to the discussion.
And if you are trying to imply that the person you are talking to thinks the Trans woman has the biological sex of a female, then you are straw manning. Because no-one thinks that. No one will dispute that.

Just because a man likes dresses, make up, or feels like a woman, doesn’t make him a woman. He’s indeed still a man.

To me, it sounds very much like pretending.

I can say I identify as 85 because I feel like it, but reality says otherwise.

 

[RileyG]

People in general can be dangerous and some like to expose themselves. There is nothing special about Trans people in that regard.

If we get rid of all the people of the world, then we won't have people exposing themselves, we won't have rape, we won't have sexual abuse.

However, if we get rid of all the Trans people, we will still have people exposing themselves, people raping, people sexual abusing.

So I don't understand why the USA right are so focused on Trans people?

They’re not. It’s just a small minority, to be fair.

The OP isn’t even about trans people to begin with.

 

[SimplyMe]

You don't need probable cause to inveatigate. You just need reasonable suspicion.

There was no reasonable suspicion of a crime. They merely had a report of someone, that a person thought might be male, going into the women's restroom, which is not a crime in Arizona. Imagining that a male in a restroom might be committing other crimes is not reasonable.

Reo male police officers. Officers often go places that civilians won't go. It's part of their job. What they did there may be at question. But just going in is not.

But people were talking about the "safety of females." Obviously more men, even if the additions are police officers, are not going to make women feel safer about being in the bathroom.

Males are supposed to be in rhe males bathroom. They are supposed to be in rhe womens room. Man, why can't you understand that? It's about being where you aren't supposed to be.

What males were in a bathroom? I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to understand when it was a woman in a woman's restroom, merely that someone misidentified her.

It may or may not. Depending on what the officers did when they went in. If they handled things professionally it won't cost them at all. I dont know if they did or didn't. The 10 second video sure doesn't show anything unprofessional.

The went into a women's restroom and "investigated" a person, even if male, that was not breaking any laws. There was no evidence of assault or of "unlawful surveillance," the only evidence was a person went to the restroom. Since they had no reasonable suspicion that a crime was committed, they had no cause to investigate. If the peeked into the stall while she was still on the toilet, as is alleged, that would make it even worse.

It will be interesting to see what comes out about this, perhaps someone will request body camera footage (since it seems like Tucson is not going to release it). OTOH, I strongly suspect that Tucson will try to settle this quietly, so that we don't hear more about the mistakes of their police (and claim they can't release body cam footage since it occurred in a restroom).

 

[RileyG]

Most aren’t dangerous but some like to expose themselves, most just want to live their lives.
You can’t judge based on anecdotal experience either, all the trans people I know are prostitutes. I encountered them when I was in law enforcement and as head of security at a hospital

That doesn’t surprise me. Many turn to prostitution in order to survive.

 

[BPPLEE]

People in general can be dangerous and some like to expose themselves. There is nothing special about Trans people in that regard.

If we get rid of all the people of the world, then we won't have people exposing themselves, we won't have rape, we won't have sexual abuse.

However, if we get rid of all the Trans people, we will still have people exposing themselves, people raping, people sexual abusing.

So I don't understand why the USA right are so focused on Trans people?

It could be because it has been forced down our throats, biological males in women’s sports, biological males in women’s spaces, teaching it to children, I just think they have gone overboard. They have acceptance and tolerance but they want more

 

[RileyG]

It could be because it has been forced down our throats, biological males in women’s sports, biological males in women’s spaces, teaching it to children, I just think they have gone overboard. They have acceptance and tolerance but they want more

They want celebration.

 

[BPPLEE]

They want celebration.

YES and if you don’t celebrate them you’re a bigot

 

[Bradskii]

What an intensely depressing thread.

 

[stevil]

It could be because it has been forced down our throats, biological males in women’s sports, biological males in women’s spaces, teaching it to children, I just think they have gone overboard. They have acceptance and tolerance but they want more

I personally don't think trans women should be allowed to compete in women's sports. But I also think that it should be up to the sporting bodies to decide and not the government.

I think children should be taught to be respectful of the various types of people found in society.
It is unfortunate that so much effort needs to be put into teaching tolerance, but there are certain demographics in society, usually the religious ones that teach intolerance and I think this warrants the effort to counter.

If there wasn't so much bigotry, then the tolerance wouldn't need to be taught.