UN Peacekeeping in Ukraine

[Love365]

For UN Peacekeeping in Ukraine,

Would you support UN Blue Helmets from
India, Brazil, and Australia?

I think both sides might support this.

What do you think?

 

[Desk trauma]

Think you should give it a rest.

 

[Love365]

Russia should have been given automatic European Parliament
seats in 1993.

The European Union does not function properly with Russia locked out.

The pen is mightier than the sword.

 

[Love365]

Think you should give it a rest.

How long will the war go on?

 

[Desk trauma]

How long will the war go on?

Only until it’s over.

 

[Gene2memE]

Russia should have been given automatic European Parliament seats in 1993.

Nonsense.

Russia was never party to the Maastricht Treaty and Russia has consistently and repeatedly rejected any suggestion of EU membership.

Russia's failure to following basic international law - like, for instance, by invading an illegally annexing the territory of its neighbours or by committing flagrant human rights violations - is what disqualifies it from EU membership.

The EU tried, repeatedly, to improve relationships with Russia through the 1990s and into the 2010s through various mechanisms. However, it was Russian actions that unravelled these agreements.

The European Union does not function properly with Russia locked out.

Nonsense. The EU works as an institution when it has states that following its founding principles, laws and norms. Russia follows none of those - in fact it stands in diametric opposition to some of the basic principles of the EU.

What would Russian membership in the EU improve? Be specific

The pen is mightier than the sword.

Only if the person wielding the pen has the vaguest clue of what they're writing about.

 

[Love365]

What would Russian membership in the EU improve?

1. More Communication

2. More Russians learning English, French, and German.

3. More Westerners learning Russian.

4. Less fear of the Russian language.

5. Less fear of the Russian alphabet.

 

[Gene2memE]

1. More Communication

Communication is there already.

2. More Russians learning English, French, and German.

English is the second most common language in Russia, after Russian and the official regional languages. German, the second most. French is the third.

3. More Westerners learning Russian.

4. Less fear of the Russian language.

5. Less fear of the Russian alphabet.

It's not fear that keeps Westerners from learning Russian. It's usefulness.



If Russia wants to be a part of the EU, then it needs to meet the basic requirements for memberships.

To whit, it needs to stop invading its neighbours, stop being an autocratic regime, stop mass human rights violations and accept EU political, social and economic goals and regulations.

Russia wants to do none of those things.

 

[Love365]

Communication is there already.

In 2022 western countries were shocked Russia went into Ukraine.

Russia was shocked that western countries started sending Ukraine weapons.

Those things imply a lack of communication.

 

[Gene2memE]

In 2022 western countries were shocked Russia went into Ukraine.

Some were. Mostly Western European countries with strong Russian business and diplomatic relationships. Others - particularly those that neighboured Russia - had been warning for years that Russia would eventually invade Ukraine a second time.

Specific intelligence warnings about a potential invasion were raised as early as lat 2020. Warnings were made about hostile intent posed by Russian build-up in early to mid 2021, and then again in late 2021.

This included multiple public warnings by the intelligence communities in the US and UK that formal preparations for an invasion were underway.

NATO held 'Defender Europe 2021' in March - which simulated a NATO response to a ground invasion in Europe.

Russia was shocked that western countries started sending Ukraine weapons.

No, it wasn't. The west was already selling and giving weapons to Ukraine.

The prospect of direct weapons support for Ukraine in case of an invasion had been communicated, thorough diplomatic and public channels, for more than six months before the invasion. That includes statements about military support being provided by the US to Ukraine during both Biden-Putin phone calls in December 2021.

By that point, the US had already authorised Baltic states to pass equipment - including ATGMs, SAMs, Radar and artillery ammunition - to Ukraine and was increasing its own shipments.

If Russia was "shocked", its because it wasn't listening. That fault lies with Russia, no-one else.

Those things imply a lack of communication.

They don't. They imply a total mismatch in outlooks.

Russia thinks it can bully Europe and invade its neighbours.

Europe (and formerly the US) thinks Russia should obey international law and not invade its neighbours, massacre their people and illegally annex territory in foreign sovereign nations.

That's not miscommunication - that's an imperialist state being opposed by a community of nations.

 

[Love365]

In 2014 Russia believed they were acting in self defense,
to stop NATO from taking their navy base in Crimea.

That action caused more conflict between Russia and Ukraine,
until it finally boiled over in 2022.

 

[Hans Blaster]

In 2014 Russia believed they were acting in self defense,
to stop NATO from taking their navy base in Crimea.

That action caused more conflict between Russia and Ukraine,
until it finally boiled over in 2022.

Is that why they executed a coup in Crimea with mystery troops?

 

[Gene2memE]

In 2014 Russia believed they were acting in self defense,
to stop NATO from taking their navy base in Crimea.

This is clearly a fiction and post hoc rationalisation.

Ukraine was (at the time) decades away from NATO membership. It was also a party to the Black Sea Partition Treaty, which guaranteed Sevastopol remained as Russian territory. Nothing about NATO membership would change that treaty.

That action caused more conflict between Russia and Ukraine, until it finally boiled over in 2022.

Yeah. Invading a country and then founding, funding and arming a "separatist movement" which killed 10s of thousands of Ukrainians tends to do that.

 

[Love365]

India is in the original post.

India is a Democracy.

India is a member of the Commonwealth.

India has a large number of English speakers.

 

[Larniavc]

For UN Peacekeeping in Ukraine,

Would you support UN Blue Helmets from
India, Brazil, and Australia?

I think both sides might support this.

What do you think?

Putin won’t stop until he destroys Ukraine or he and his military are dead.

That’s how we end this War.

 

[Larniavc]

The European Union does not function properly with Russia locked out.

No one wants Russia in the EU. They are an untrustworthy nation bent on world domination.

They need to be demolished and demilitarised.

 

[Larniavc]

1. More Communication

2. More Russians learning English, French, and German.

3. More Westerners learning Russian.

4. Less fear of the Russian language.

5. Less fear of the Russian alphabet.

None of that needs EU membership. No one wants Russia to drag their country back down into mud.

Russia has shown throughout history that it is an unsafe neighbour.

 

[Love365]

Russia has shown throughout history that it is an unsafe neighbour.

This argument doesn’t really work.

France and Germany invaded Russia in the past.

France and England tried to take Crimea during the 1800s.
(The Crimean War)

 

[Larniavc]

In 2022 western countries were shocked Russia went into Ukraine.

Russia was shocked that western countries started sending Ukraine weapons.

Those things imply a lack of communication.

American intelligence repeatedly stated that Russia would invade but Russia denied that the clear build up in Bela

This argument doesn’t really work.

France and Germany invaded Russia in the past.

France and England tried to take Crimea during the 1800s.
(The Crimean War)

France and England tried to take Crimea during the 1800s.
(The Crimean War)

Russia started that war by occupying Ottoman territory (as usual a Russian land grab).

 

[Love365]

American intelligence repeatedly stated that Russia would invade but Russia denied that the clear build up in Bela

Why did all the experts on CNN keep saying
“Russia is bluffing” when the tanks were lined up ready to go in ?