Restoring the Gift of Speaking in Tongues

[Gregory Thompson]

How about the gift of listening and understanding each other in any tongue?

I recall the wonder of tongues on pentecost only happened once in the canon. If it happened at any other time, it was not based on a gift, but it was more of a miracle like the first time it happened.

 

[timothyu]

I recall the wonder of tongues on pentecost only happened once in the canon. If it happened at any other time, it was not based on a gift, but it was more of a miracle like the first time it happened.

How else were they to go out to their cousins of brethren tribes in the House of Israel, if not in their own languages.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

That's all that is really important.

I've been an AOG Pentecostal for over 30 years. We have the gifts of The Holy Spirit move frequently in our church. During the 2010ish timeframe, we were having 3 corporate tongues messages with 3 corporate interpretations. This lasted for about 3 years.

We operate according to the word of GOD. The Holy Spirit gives the message in tongues, The Holy Spirit gives the message by interpretation.

I suggest you look around and spend some time in a triune believing Pentecostal church. Maybe GOD will give you some experience in the gifts there, and you will know how they actually work according to the word.

I am not saying the Holy Spirit "can not" operate in the way it is done in your church. You have obviously spent a lot of time seeking God to have that occur. But it is not the kind of tongues that is "a sign to unbelievers", your tongue interpretation is more prophecy.

In Acts, tongues were "understood" by native language speakers, imagine in a person knowing Hebrew walked into a church service, and the tongue spoken was in his native language, that is a "true sign".

I found that God chose to minister multiple known and unknown languages through my one tongue. I am not saying it is better than what you do, it is just what I believe tongues should be if it is to be a sign to the unbeliever.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

How else were they to go out to their cousins of brethren tribes in the House of Israel, if not in their own languages.

I was talking about the event where 3000 people with different languages all heard the message in their own tongue. A universal translator event is a miracle, people with a gift like that would stand out immediately.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

I was talking about the event where 3000 people with different languages all heard the message in their own tongue. A universal translator event is a miracle, people with a gift like that would stand out immediately.

I wonder more, as Christians who speak in tongues, we have never had a method to "test" our speech. I believe that any genuine blood-bought believer who speaks in tongues, if God allows, can speak multiple known languages. The church as a whole has just not been empowered to know it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I wonder more, as Christians who speak in tongues, we have never had a method to "test" our speech. I believe that any genuine blood-bought believer who speaks in tongues, if God allows, can speak multiple known languages. The church as a whole has just not been empowered to know it.

The thing is, people could just be talking in their baby language, which edifies no one unless they interpret it and speak it out in the common language themselves.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

The thing is, people could just be talking in their baby language, which edifies no one unless they interpret it and speak it out in the common language themselves.

That may be true.

 

[ARBITER01]

I am not saying the Holy Spirit "can not" operate in the way it is done in your church. You have obviously spent a lot of time seeking God to have that occur. But it is not the kind of tongues that is "a sign to unbelievers", your tongue interpretation is more prophecy.

Tongues with interpretation is considered the same as prophecy in scripture.

In Acts, tongues were "understood" by native language speakers, imagine in a person knowing Hebrew walked into a church service, and the tongue spoken was in his native language, that is a "true sign".

There is no such thing. The gifts of The Spirit are for the edification of the body of Christ, not the world. We were not given the gifts of The Spirit to be using them on unbelievers. They are for the body of Christ. If an interpretation is given in a human language to someone there, then it becomes a sign to them.

I found that God chose to minister multiple known and unknown languages through my one tongue. I am not saying it is better than what you do, it is just what I believe tongues should be if it is to be a sign to the unbeliever.

You're not ministering anything by your gift of tongues if The Holy Spirit is not prompting you to speak in the assembly. That is when it is become a ministry.

Start being more disciplined to what scripture says about it, and start rebuking bad ideas that don't align with it in the name of Jesus.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

There is no such thing. The gifts of The Spirit are for the edification of the body of Christ, not the world. We were not given the gifts of The Spirit to be using them on unbelievers. They are for the body of Christ. If an interpretation is given in a human language to someone there, then it becomes a sign to them.

1Co 14:22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

You're not ministering anything by your gift of tongues if The Holy Spirit is not prompting you to speak in the assembly. That is when it is become a ministry.

Make sure you are not locking your assembly to a gift of the Spirit in your own people.


Num 11:26 But two men had remained in the camp: the name of one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad. And the Spirit rested upon them. Now they were among those listed, but who had not gone out to the tabernacle; yet they prophesied in the camp.
Num 11:27 And a young man ran and told Moses, and said, "Eldad and Medad are prophesying in the camp."
Num 11:28 So Joshua the son of Nun, Moses' assistant, one of his choice men, answered and said, "Moses my lord, forbid them!"
Num 11:29 Then Moses said to him, "Are you zealous for my sake? Oh, that all the LORD's people were prophets and that the LORD would put His Spirit upon them!"

 

[ARBITER01]

1Co 14:22 Therefore tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

Ok, well done, now stick by the section of scripture that says that speaking in tongues is not understood apart from the gift of interpretation. Can you do that as well? I bet you can't.

Make sure you are not locking your assembly to a gift of the Spirit in your own people.

How about this, you get your assembly up to speed and operating properly in the gifts first. We are already doing fine.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Ok, well done, now stick by the section of scripture that says that speaking in tongues is not understood apart from the gift of interpretation. Can you do that as well? I bet you can't.

This is a genuine gift is it not:

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
Act 2:5 And there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven.
Act 2:6 And when this sound occurred, the multitude came together, and were confused, because everyone heard them speak in his own language.
Act 2:7 Then they were all amazed and marveled, saying to one another, "Look, are not all these who speak Galileans?
Act 2:8 And how is it that we hear, each in our own language in which we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians and Medes and Elamites, those dwelling in Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya adjoining Cyrene, visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretans and Arabs—we hear them speaking in our own tongues the wonderful works of God."
Act 2:12 So they were all amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, "Whatever could this mean?"

How about this, you get your assembly up to speed and operating properly in the gifts first. We are already doing fine.

I don't have an assembly, I am a believer as such have access to the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives me for edification.

 

[ARBITER01]

This is a genuine gift is it not:

The rules for it's operation are listed in 1 Corinthians.

Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

When The Holy Spirit gives an utterance in the corporate assembly, in the speaking of tongues,.... what then follows?

I don't have an assembly, I am a believer as such have access to the gifts that the Holy Spirit gives me for edification.

If you were a part of an assembly (like you are suppose to be), maybe you wouldn't be trying to use worldly gimmicks on your gifts. Just saying.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

If you were a part of an assembly (like you are suppose to be), maybe you wouldn't be trying to use worldly gimmicks on your gifts. Just saying.

I am a part of an assembly, and always have been. A language parser that can understand most known languages (OpenAI) is not a gimmick, it is a tool. I have already said many times what I believe "Interpretation" is in the general sense. A duel language speaker, who understands the churches base language, and one other. There is the "gift of interpretation", that your church is using.

 

[ARBITER01]

I am a part of an assembly, and always have been. A language parser that can understand most known languages (OpenAI) is not a gimmick, it is a tool. I have already said many times what I believe "Interpretation" is in the general sense. A duel language speaker, who understands the churches base language, and one other. There is the "gift of interpretation", that your church is using.

You didn't answer my question.

(and you just said that you were not part of an assembly)

 

[FutureAndAHope]

You didn't answer my question.

(and you just said that you were not part of an assembly)

You want me to say "Interpretation" but I just told you what that is. I am a part of an assembly and have always been.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

One point of advantage of speaking in a known tongue, and having a dual language speaker interpret it is that it removes the human's "mind" element.

The speaker in tongues has no power over the message, they deliver a tongue unknown to them but known to the interpreter. They can not add or subtract from the word God gives.

Interpretation of tongues using the "gift" could be faked if the person really was not flowing in the Spirit, why? They are using a language and thought process known to them. They can add or subtract from the word God gives.

That is the beauty of tongues as a native language as it was in Act 2.

As for using AI, AI is good but can make mistakes in listening, not often but it can. That is why I think the church should consider real live duel language speakers.

 

[ARBITER01]

You want me to say "Interpretation" but I just told you what that is. I am a part of an assembly and have always been.

Not a lot of people really understand the scenario that happened that day, but when the text explicitly states that utterance was being given by The Holy Spirit through those people, well then we know as Pentecostals that the gathering was considered a corporate assembly, and The Holy Spirit in turn, was providing the interpretation(s) of the tongues that were given.

All those different dialects were being spoken by The Holy Spirit through those people by the gift of interpretation, in response to the gift of tongues.

When that is understood, then the rules associated with the gifts over in 1 Corinthians agrees. Trying to say that people were speaking human languages by the gift of tongues goes against what The Holy Spirit taught about them through Paul.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Trying to say that people were speaking human languages by the gift of tongues goes against what The Holy Spirit taught about them through Paul.

We will have to agree to disagree. My opinion, and Acts 2 shows us that tongues are not exclusively unknown languages, rather known, and can be translated.

 

[ARBITER01]

We will have to agree to disagree. My opinion, and Acts 2 shows us that tongues are not exclusively unknown languages, rather known, and can be translated.

A whole lot of people nowadays love to run with their opinions on things instead of searching them out with GOD. laters