Trump: Ukraine “Never Should Have Started War” with Russia

[Gregory Thompson]

Putin did not campaign for him this time compared to his first election.

Yeah, it was less obvious this time. However, the about face from "stop attacking Ukraine or it's Tariffs for you" to "It's Ukraine's fault for the war" is really telling.

 

[Hans Blaster]

99% of Americans are NOT pro-Putin.

I wish I could believe that. I really do. russia has been pushing their narrative through people like Benny Tompson and Tim Pool (Tenet media) for years. More than 1% of Congress is pro-putin.

 

[Vambram]

I wish I could believe that. I really do. russia has been pushing their narrative through people like Benny Tompson and Tim Pool (Tenet media) for years. More than 1% of Congress is pro-putin.

What you think is pro-Putin is instead Americans who want this war to be negotiated to a peaceful end in order to stop the wounding and killing of both Ukrainians and Russians.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If you're referring to Christianity, than yes.

I don't even like Trump, so zero points to Putin.

Most of your posts in this thread have made no sense and have had little to do with the topic.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What you think is pro-Putin is instead Americans who want this war to be negotiated to a peaceful end in order to stop the wounding and killing of both Ukrainians and Russians.

When they tell putin's lies like the one in the name of this thread. That's "pro-putin."

 

[Vambram]

Trump is correct on Ukraine and right to put Zelensky on the spot
by Douglas MacKinnon, opinion contributor - 02/22/25 12:00 PM ET

Multiple times on this site over the last three years, I have advocated for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine.
I have argued that Americans were well within our rights to ask hard and needed questions about the various tripwires littering the battlefields in Ukraine, which could trigger World War III; the background and connections of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky; strict accountability for the hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars shoveled into the country by the Biden-Harris administration; off-shore bank accounts; if regime change in Russia was the ultimate goal, with Ukraine being used as a proxy; and the more than 1 million human beings killed or wounded in that war.
So many seemed unwilling to pose these questions. Why?

Since the outbreak of the war, it has seemed that “journalism” partially disappeared as many of the “news” reports about the war began with “Ukraine says …” or “Zelensky says …” News editors and journalists are human. Humans have biases. That said, the professional and ethical standards of journalists should override such biases. Unfortunately, as we saw when then-businessman Donald Trump first declared his intention to run for president and a number of journalists quickly identified themselves as part of the “resistance” against him, ethics and professionalism can be put to the side based upon ideology, personal animus or a mob mentality. But at what cost to the actual truth and the welfare of our nation?

The same question now pertains to Ukraine. I have no problem with anyone being vehemently opposed to Vladimir Putin and Russia. But such opposition should not blind them to the obvious questions that must still be asked about what is best for the U.S. and our people.


And guess who has been asking those questions — while issuing critically needed warnings — since day one? Trump.

During the earliest months of the war, while making an appearance on 77 WABC radio, then-former President Trump was asked by host John Catsimatidis what things “keep you up at night?” Trump answered, “I think more than anything else, I think we could end up in World War III and it could be because of all of the horrible things that took place in Ukraine.”
For three years, Trump has not only been warning about the war in Ukraine igniting World War III but crying out to stop the tragic slaughter of the human beings caught in the crosshairs. Warning and cries that were ignored by so many, especially on the left and in journalism.
This fact is curious when you realize that so many from the left and in journalism spoke out so loudly and consistently against the war in Iraq because of the deaths triggered by the “illegal war” of President George W. Bush. Where have those voices been for the last three years? By any accurate and honest measurement, many more have been killed or wounded in Ukraine than the Iraq War.

This week, Trump rightfully decided to put Zelensky on the spot via a Truth Social post. He wrote: “Think of it, a modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, talked the United States of America into spending $350 Billion Dollars, to go into a War that couldn’t be won, that never had to start, but a War that he, without the U.S. and ‘TRUMP,’ will never be able to settle … On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we sent him is ‘MISSING.’ He refuses to have Elections, is very low in Ukrainian Polls, and the only thing he was good at was playing Biden ‘like a fiddle.’ A Dictator without Elections, Zelenskyy better move fast or he is not going to have a Country left…I love Ukraine, but Zelenskyy has done a terrible job, his Country is shattered, and MILLIONS have unnecessarily died — And so it continues …”

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/5158433-trump-has-always-been-correct-about-ukraine-and-is-right-to-put-zelensky-on-the-spot/

 

[Vambram]

When they tell putin's lies like the one in the name of this thread. That's "pro-putin."

That is your opinion. But not necessarily the majority opinion in the USA.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That is your opinion. But not necessarily the majority opinion in the USA.

How could telling putin's lies for him be anything *but* pro-putin?

 

[Bradskii]

If you're referring to Christianity, than yes.

So you had to decide whether Christian morality was correct. It was your decision. It was presented to you and you decided.

You can't have someone else making the decisions for you. It's always down to you.

 

[Landon Caeli]

So you had to decide whether Christian morality was correct. It was your decision. It was presented to you and you decided.

You can't have someone else making the decisions for you. It's always down to you.

That's typically not Christian thinking, but a Muslim way of thinking. Islam literally means "submission" - in that they submit wholly to the book, above all conscience and learning.

Please don't assume any of us others subscribe to that. We think for ourselves, the book is in addition, it doesn't define us or make us who we are.

 

[Bradskii]

We think for ourselves, the book is in addition, it doesn't define us or make us who we are.

That is exactly the point I am making.

 

[Landon Caeli]

That is exactly the point I am making.

You'd be surprised to find out that full submission can occur, where the conscience can actually be overridden, and replaced over time.

It can be particularly bad, of one believes that God doesn't love non-believers, or that he kills non-believers... It can become really, really bad if someone thinks it acceptable to take part in those killings, such as what happened in Salem, as an example from the past. Or in a lot of other cases from the past. Terrorism is this too.

...It's why maintaining the conscience is extremely important. And why "submission", should be avoided.

 

[Bradskii]

You'd be surprised to find out that full submission can occur, where the conscience can actually be overridden, and replaced over time.

It can be particularly bad, of one believes that God doesn't love non-believers, or that he kills non-believers...

Submision with no thought, with no conscience, and you get people flying planes into buildings.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Submision with no thought, with no conscience, and you get people flying planes into buildings.

I've actually talked to some Christians here in the past, who are no longer here, who argued that God works through the terrorists - in the killing of non-believers. It was an appalling thing to hear.

...A real problem.

 

[7thKeeper]

Ah, take advice about democracy from a country that the United States whipped because they became a tyranny and later learned about democracy after we had whipped them.

Or we take advice from one where a person counted as 3/5ths depending on the colour of their skin and where slavery was still ok well after the UK abolished it.

Tell that to the ICC and get an arrest warrant for Vlademir. It’s their business, which they should send the UN to enforce.

You don't follow this very much, do you? There is an arrest warrant from the ICC for him. That's why he's having a bit of trouble going to ICC signatory countries because he would be arrested. Not sure why you bring UN here, except as a distraction.

How much is it worth to deplete our weapons stock piles and leaving the Pacific vulnerable to China? I think 400% is fair.

I'm going to go back to this topic of Ukraine "having to pay" the USA here. Someone else pointed something out that I think should be discussed. This is essentially demanding war reparations from Ukraine by Trump. While Ukraine is the one who was illegally attacked and invaded. So it's like demanding reparations from the victim. Why isn't Trump demanding Russian minerals to pay for the aid given to Ukraine? They are the aggressor after all and caused the war to happen and this aid to be sent.

 

[Pommer]

That's typically not Christian thinking, but a Muslim way of thinking. Islam literally means "submission" - in that they submit wholly to the book, above all conscience and learning.

Most Christians are not “Bible worshipers”, though I have run into such (time-and-again).

Please don't assume any of us others subscribe to that. We think for ourselves, the book is in addition, it doesn't define us or make us who we are.

Aren’t Christians imbued with the Holy Spirit to “lead you into all truth”?
Kudos if your level of Spiritual Development is such that God’s Will is expressed through your attitudes and opinions, that must be a great peace to have to hold onto.

Being a Deist I don’t get this advantage and must carefully work out what my opinions are based on whatever information that I can scour from thousands of sources.

 

[Pommer]

I've actually talked to some Christians here in the past, who are no longer here, who argued that God works through the terrorists - in the killing of non-believers. It was an appalling thing to hear.

...A real problem.

This, though, is the logical conclusion to the notion that nothing happens unless it’s within the “permissive” will of God.
(But we need not delve this rabbit hole).

 

[perplexed]

It is the inverse I am more concerned about -- the number of Americans that have become pro-putin because they like Trump.

I have not been appalled by any MAGA direct pro Putin antics recently. I have been really disappointed in the recent MAGA Ukraine hate. so Russian puppets not Russian lovers

 

[Larniavc]

And?

And it’s civilians needed killing in their beds, hospitals, schools and shopping centres?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Aren’t Christians imbued with the Holy Spirit to “lead you into all truth”?
Kudos if your level of Spiritual Development is such that God’s Will is expressed through your attitudes and opinions, that must be a great peace to have to hold onto.

Just to answer your question real quick before moving back to the topic. From the Catechism of the Holy Catholic Church:

1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking

There's more:

Part Three Section One Man's Vocation Life In The Spirit Chapter One The Dignity Of The Human Person Article 6 Moral Conscience I. The Judgment Of Conscience

www.vatican.va

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