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What is scary is that I think you are serious. You really don't have a clue. Do you?
Because of Trump. That's why. Don't you remember that NATO summit where Trump made a lot of demands and threats and all the liberal were outraged? Yeah, thank Trump that Europe made an attempt. But they still need to do more.This link is more up-to-date. As of 2024, 23 out of 32 NATO countries spent 2% or more.
Infographic: Where NATO Defense Expenditure Stands
This chart shows military spending of NATO countries and estimated share of GDP in 2024.www.statista.com
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Is he though? When was their last election, and who decided to cancel them?
Bradskii’s post appeared to do that, which is why I responded to them that way. But also, at this point, I’m also honestly not sure what the United States can do. If Russia’s better interest is to take over Ukraine, then Russia’s better interest is to take over Ukraine. They obviously have some national security interests and economic ones down there which they are spending hundreds of thousands of lives trying to get by brute force, and enduring the wrath of the rest of the entire world in order to get what they want. It’s clearly worth it to them.
Why should Donald Trump listen to me? I’m 1 vote in a state that consistently votes against him. I have no standing or influence.
Tell that to the ICC and get an arrest warrant for Vlademir. It’s their business, which they should send the UN to enforce.
Tell that to the legions of Christian men who have served in the the United States Army, either voluntarily or drafted in. Some of the voluntary ones needed a job and a college education and it was the best option for them to get it.
They also want the Ukrainian territory as a historical status symbol and Ukraine’s ports on the Black Sea. Part of the USSR’s power and might was their subdued mass of territory in Eastern Europe. They were trophies to protect the motherland from invasion. Putin wants those back under the control of the Russian government.
Different charts. Thats NATO spending on defense budget per GDP, mine was aid to Ukraine per GDP. Sorry, mine didn't have the title in the picture because it was a screencap and I tried to get as much of the chart itself in it.This link is more up-to-date. As of 2024, 23 out of 32 NATO countries spent 2% or more.
Infographic: Where NATO Defense Expenditure Stands
This chart shows military spending of NATO countries and estimated share of GDP in 2024.
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Trump had little to do with it. Even if it makes some people in the USA feel nice about themselves, those kinds of temper tantrums don't do much. Putin can be thanked for the increase though and to some of the European countries waking up to that Poland, Finland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia were correct to warn about Putin.
Not surprised given the fact that Ukraine and Europe have no cards to play so they are pushed to the kiddy table while Trump sits at the big boy table with Russia.
Not surprised. None of them actually want to invest in their defense and depended heavily on the United States to have their backs. Look at how long the genocides in Kosovo continued because the UN and NATO wasted years arguing about who was going to do what. That was until Bill Clinton basically said "Screw it! We will take care of it ourselves!" Let's face it, Europe is more concerned about themselves and are not willing to give a flip about NATO agreements unless it benefits them. But people will cry, what about the European NATO support in Iraq and Afghanistan!" What about it? "What about all the aid that European NATO support to Ukraine?" What about it? Europe is only willing to give whatever is minimally necessary to say "See! We did something!" But it is never actually enough to accomplish anything. That is what they did in Iraq and Afghanistan. The only exception I would say is the UK. I mean, really? Germany sends 500 helmets to Ukraine and pat themselves on the back. Laughable.
Tough love. Kick the middle aged millennial out of the house and make him get in touch with reality. Do you not see how absurd it is that NATO, and organization whose sole purpose for its existence was to "stand up to Russia," is finally realizing that they need to "become a military force to stand up to Russia?" Yeah, you can thank Trump for that.
Sadly there is currently an upcoming election in germany, and our politicians don't tell us any hard truths before the election. That has been tried in the 90s and immediately punished at the polls. So we'll have to wait until next week before our politicians "find" all the problems and explain to us that we'll have to buckle up and not expect any of the benefactions they have been promising.
