Trump: Ukraine “Never Should Have Started War” with Russia

[High Fidelity]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections and all else things that Zelinsky has done people can keep it, I won't support it.

My REPUBLIC has a different make up and I want no part of whatever people are trying to pass as democracy these days.

The one thing this definition of democracy is missing is freedom.

The UK did the same during WW2. Was Winston Churchill a dictator?

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

No, you do not want peace. That's very obvious by the way you are going about this, because you want to appease Putin at the cost of Ukraine. And "being good neighbours" is a funny thing to claim to want while throwing tariffs around willy nilly, lying about about your allies and friendly nations and trying to push deals that make Treaty of Versailles look good. And we know what that deal caused to happen in the future.

I think at this point strong Trump supporters will rationalize even obvious lies

 

[rubyshoes]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections and all else things that Zelinsky has done people can keep it, I won't support it.

My REPUBLIC has a different make up and I want no part of whatever people are trying to pass as democracy these days.

The one thing this definition of democracy is missing is freedom.

And how would those Ukrainian citizens under current Russian occupation participate in these elections then? Or those forced to flee their hometowns to temporary accommodations within Ukraine or now abroad? Or those in the military engaged in active combat?

How would holding an election where a significant proportion of your citizens cannot participate be representative democracy?

 

[7thKeeper]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections and all else things that Zelinsky has done people can keep it, I won't support it.

Name a democracy that held elections while fighting openly still on its own soil. You keep wanting to avoid this pesky little detail, because it ruins your talking point. But gotta keep that Russia appeasement and lies going, right?

My REPUBLIC has a different make up and I want no part of whatever people are trying to pass as democracy these days.

The one thing this definition of democracy is missing is freedom.

Says the person from a nation where news organisations get punished/excluded for daring to call the Gulf of Mexico that and active voter suppression is a thing. Or one where the loser of an election kept lying about the election being stolen from them, had a violent coup attempt, praises actual dictators, etc. And your republic is a democracy as well, those two aren't exclusionary traits. Please, you've got no ground to stand on.

 

[7thKeeper]

Does anyone know when Russia last had an election that was widely regarded as fair and not influenced by Vladimir Putin? This excludes the 2024 election where Putin received 88.48% of the vote, the 2018 election where he received 77.5%, and the 2012 election where he received 64.35%.

Oh I see now how it works. Every six years, Putin receives more votes than in the previous election. Never mind.

Oh, don't forget about the killing and/or imprisonment of political opponents or excluding them from elections based on varied and changing reasons.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections

From a practical perspective, how can Ukraine hope to hold free and fair elections with a significant portion of their country under active enemy occupation? Suspending elections in times of active conflict is a relatively normal provision in many democracies. The US is somewhat unusual in not doing so - though our geography makes the possibility of the scenario arising pretty unlikely. The Civil War was the last major conflict in the mainland US, and since the "enemy" were states who had chosen to leave the Union rather than an invading, occupying power, the fact that those territories wouldn't get a vote wasn't really a concern.

and all else things that Zelinsky has done

Such as?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Well, when a definition of "democracy" suspends elections and all else things that Zelinsky has done people can keep it, I won't support it.

My REPUBLIC has a different make up and I want no part of whatever people are trying to pass as democracy these days.

The one thing this definition of democracy is missing is freedom.

When bombs are dropping and a significant portion of the population is seeking refuge in neighboring countries, it is not feasible to conduct an election. This principle is straightforward. Ukraine is not unique in this regard; for instance, during World War II, the United Kingdom postponed its general elections until 1945.

People are not passing anything as democracy; you simply lack an understanding of history and the knowledge of what constitutes a democracy.

 

[durangodawood]

When Trump is "trapped within Moscow's disinformation bubble" of course we should expect many of his followers to be stuck there with him.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA.

Are you okay?

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Half a like. I like the first sentence.

Can't think of a single "good thing" he has done or will do for the U.S. but agree on the sheer and absolute insanity.

He signed an executive order making IVF cheaper and more accessible. Surely you would appreciate that. Right?

 

[7thKeeper]

He signed an executive order making IVF cheaper and more access. Surely you would appreciate that. Right?

I so misread that first as making IFV cheaper and more accessible... That would have been both equally hilarious and horrifying.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I so misread that first as making IFV cheaper and more accessible... That would have been both equally hilarious and horrifying.

Made the edit.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

He signed an executive order making IVF cheaper and more accessible. Surely you would appreciate that. Right?

As discussed in the thread on the topic, the EO doesn't actually do anything. It's just an RFP.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Vance to Zelensky: Be nice, you know how moody Donboy can get

Vance warns Zelensky that 'badmouthing' Trump in public will backfire

Vice President J.D. Vance on Wednesday warned the Ukrainian president against attacking President Donald Trump , saying that 'badmouthing' him in public would only backfire.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[DaisyDay]

Are you okay?

Are you? I know earlier you mentioned you were having problems. I hope you’re better.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Are you? I know earlier you mentioned you were having problems. I hope you’re better.

Still recovering. But I am relatively going in the right direction.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

When Trump is "trapped within Moscow's disinformation bubble" of course we should expect many of his followers to be stuck there with him.

I just don't understand why Trump and the Right are such admirers of Putin and Russia.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I just don't understand why Trump and the Right are such admirers of Putin and Russia.

Trump likes Putin because he puts on visible shows of strength and has managed to stay in power for as long as he has (there may or may not be some kompromat involved as well). The Right likes him because Trump likes him, and because he makes the right noises on "culture war" issues.

 

[wing2000]

Zelensky is “down at 4 percent approval rating.”
— Remarks, Feb. 18
“A Dictator without Elections.”
— Truth Social post, Feb. 19

Trump often cites fantasy polls. While Zelensky’s popularity has fallen as the war has dragged on, a survey conducted this month by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology, a prominent Ukrainian polling organization, said 57 percent of Ukrainians trust Zelensky. That’s an increase of five percentage points from a survey in December.

And after Trump's disgraceful remarks yesterday, I bet that same poll would reflect even greater support for Zelensky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/02/20/trump-ukraine-fact-checker/

 

[iluvatar5150]

I just don't understand why Trump and the Right are such admirers of Putin and Russia.

I don't understand why the Right are such admirers of anybody. It's like they're trying to establish a monarchy:

Barron Trump is 'future of conservative movement' say College Republicans

Without uttering a word in public, President Donald Trump's 18-year-old son excites College Republicans.

www.usatoday.com