Trump: Ukraine “Never Should Have Started War” with Russia

[Fantine]

We can't forget that Ukraine has a seaport. The Trump Gaza! The Trump Black Sea! Ka-ching, ka-ching, ugh!

 

[Vambram]

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

"I think you have to give them some space… There is a negotiation going on," said Sen. Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D.

Trump on Tuesday night said Ukraine "never should have started" the war, and doubled down by calling Zelenskyy a "dictator" because Ukraine hasn’t held elections since Russia invaded the country in 2022.

"Ukraine clearly did not start this war," Sen. Pete Ricketts, R-Neb., wrote on X. "The fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine and must be held accountable. Otherwise, aggressors will be encouraged in their bad actions."

Still, the Nebraska senator commended Trump for trying to end the war.
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.

"[Zelenskyy] is the elected leader of the country," said Hawley. "But, you know, at a certain point you've got to hold elections."

Vice President JD Vance was on Capitol Hill for a lunch with Republican senators, but the president's bold assertion about the Ukrainian leader was not a topic of discussion, according to Hawley.

Zelenskyy was originally up for re-election in April 2024, but Ukraine’s constitution bars holding elections until the president lifts the martial law order he instituted after the 2022 invasion.

"Well, we've got to have elections," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said when asked about the comments.

GOP senators back Trump's demand for Ukraine elections, but won't call Zelenskyy 'dictator'

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

www.foxnews.com

 

[Goonie]

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

"I think you have to give them some space… There is a negotiation going on," said Sen. Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D.

Trump on Tuesday night said Ukraine "never should have started" the war, and doubled down by calling Zelenskyy a "dictator" because Ukraine hasn’t held elections since Russia invaded the country in 2022.

"Ukraine clearly did not start this war," Sen. Pete Ricketts, R-Neb., wrote on X. "The fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine and must be held accountable. Otherwise, aggressors will be encouraged in their bad actions."

Still, the Nebraska senator commended Trump for trying to end the war.
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.

"[Zelenskyy] is the elected leader of the country," said Hawley. "But, you know, at a certain point you've got to hold elections."

Vice President JD Vance was on Capitol Hill for a lunch with Republican senators, but the president's bold assertion about the Ukrainian leader was not a topic of discussion, according to Hawley.

Zelenskyy was originally up for re-election in April 2024, but Ukraine’s constitution bars holding elections until the president lifts the martial law order he instituted after the 2022 invasion.

"Well, we've got to have elections," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said when asked about the comments.

GOP senators back Trump's demand for Ukraine elections, but won't call Zelenskyy 'dictator'

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

www.foxnews.com

Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.


Wrong!! Britain as in world war one suspended elections. And unlike Britain the Ukraine is being asked to hold an election with an invading army on their soil.


Donald Trump and his supporters are acting as nothing more than the supporters and mouthpieces of an illegal invasion.

Imagine if in 1941 Roosevelt entered talks with Hitler on dividing Europe, this is what Trump is doing.

 

[Vambram]

Donald Trump and his supporters are acting as nothing more than the supporters and mouthpieces of an illegal invasion.

You couldn't be more wrong with that statement if you tried.

 

[SimplyMe]

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

"I think you have to give them some space… There is a negotiation going on," said Sen. Majority Leader John Thune, R-S.D.

Trump on Tuesday night said Ukraine "never should have started" the war, and doubled down by calling Zelenskyy a "dictator" because Ukraine hasn’t held elections since Russia invaded the country in 2022.

"Ukraine clearly did not start this war," Sen. Pete Ricketts, R-Neb., wrote on X. "The fact is that Russia invaded Ukraine and must be held accountable. Otherwise, aggressors will be encouraged in their bad actions."

Still, the Nebraska senator commended Trump for trying to end the war.
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.

"[Zelenskyy] is the elected leader of the country," said Hawley. "But, you know, at a certain point you've got to hold elections."

Vice President JD Vance was on Capitol Hill for a lunch with Republican senators, but the president's bold assertion about the Ukrainian leader was not a topic of discussion, according to Hawley.

Zelenskyy was originally up for re-election in April 2024, but Ukraine’s constitution bars holding elections until the president lifts the martial law order he instituted after the 2022 invasion.

"Well, we've got to have elections," Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said when asked about the comments.

GOP senators back Trump's demand for Ukraine elections, but won't call Zelenskyy 'dictator'

Republican lawmakers are backing President Donald Trump’s insistence that Ukraine hold elections, even if they don’t share his belief that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a "dictator."

www.foxnews.com

I'm curious how they propose all Ukrainian citizens have a chance to vote? Do they give ballots to the Ukrainians in Russian occupied areas, do we really think that the Russian military wouldn't ensure the "right people" got all the votes? What about the Ukrainians who fled the country before Russians could capture them, or that are being held by the Russians? And even in polling places where Ukraine still controls it, do we really think those wouldn't become targets for Russian drones and missiles?

 

[Goonie]

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[Goonie]

You couldn't be more wrong with that statement if you tried.

If I deleted the Blanket statement 'and his supporters ' I could not be more right if I tried! He has on record done nothing but parrot Russian propaganda and call Ukraine the aggressor, an absolute and undeniable bearing of false witness, unless you REALLY believe in Trump above everything.

 

[rebornfree]

Only people who sequestered themselves away in a maga media bubble didnt expect this.

The writing was on the wall.

Yes, but they wouldn't heed the warnings. I'm not talking about Ukraine necessarily, but that Trump was an unsuitable person to have a major role on the world stage. The anti-Trumpers in the USA were stigmatised as lefties and the Maga lot kept throwing up how the left were killing so many babies. Whilst I hate abortion there are other issues too. As for the rest of us, did they know how many of us, in other countries, didn't want Trump and were really concerned about his becoming President?

Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., backed up the president’s push for elections. "We held elections during World War II. Britain held elections during World War II. If they're a democracy, they should hold elections. I don't think that's difficult," he told reporters Thursday.


Wrong!! Britain as in world war one suspended elections. And unlike Britain the Ukraine is being asked to hold an election with an invading army on their soil.


Donald Trump and his supporters are acting as nothing more than the supporters and mouthpieces of an illegal invasion.

Imagine if in 1941 Roosevelt entered talks with Hitler on dividing Europe, this is what Trump is doing.

I feel that it's a bit like Roosevelt and Stalin meeting but not inviting Churchill.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If I deleted the Blanket statement 'and his supporters ' I could not be more right if I tried! He has on record done nothing but parrot Russian propaganda and call Ukraine the aggressor, an absolute and undeniable bearing of false witness, unless you REALLY believe in Trump above everything.

Zelinsky is no better than Putin.

I'm done supporting crazy dictators all around the world myself, and I'm done creating the conditions around the world that support them.

We already know this is a war for mineral rights. No need to destroy the Ukrainian people over it. We can work something out.

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

 

[rebornfree]

I cannot tell you all, especially Trump supporters, how angry I am with Donald Trump just now. The way he spoke about Zelensky was horrible. Talking about anyone like that is unacceptable and to do so about a man who has led his country through a foreign invasion, with many losing their lives, their loved ones and their homes, is appalling. I watched Newsnight this evening with Sir Alex Younger, formerly of MI6, on it. He spoke rationally, carefully and diplomatically. Donald Trump could learn a lot from him. You cannot go into international discussions with all guns blazing. You need to learn about the situation, be sensitive to various views and intelligence reports and to weigh your words carefully as you navigate tricky situations. Name calling, publicly and rudely criticising your allies and thinking you know best is not the way to handle difficult situations on the world stage.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Zelinsky is as evil as they come and is no better than Putin.

I'm done supporting crazy dictators all around the world myself, and I'm done creating the conditions around the world that support them.

We already know this is a war for mineral rights. No need to destroy the Ukrainian people over it. We can work something out.

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

That is an impressive amount of propaganda you’ve swallowed.

 

[rebornfree]

Zelensky is as evil as they come and is no better than Putin.

I'm done supporting crazy dictators all around the world myself, and I'm done creating the conditions around the world that support them.

We already know this is a war for mineral rights. No need to destroy the Ukrainian people over it. We can work something out.

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

I cannot see that about Zelinsky at all. Russia invaded Ukraine, initiated by Putin and his team. (I'm not sure how much the Russian people actually know about it or support it.)

I agree about dictators, but that is how I view Trump as behaving. He wants Greenland (has he asked them what they want?) which insults both them and Demark, insulted Canada and Mexico, wants to remove the Gazans from their homeland, instead of coming up with a scheme for redeveloping it for them, and expects Jordan and Egypt to accept some Gazan citizens. Meanwhile his mate Musk, whom he put in a position of power, wants to rescue us in Britain from the democratically elected government we voted for. Whilst I think most of us have good feelings towards those of you who live in the USA we want to live life our way which may be a bit different to yours. We can still get along well and be good allies, respecting each others right to be different. These wealthy men, who seem to be running your country and wanting to organise some of the world, are making that a bit harder but despite them I hope we retain good relationships amongst all western nations.

As for the mineral rights, when this terrible war is over, maybe Ukraine can get foreign investment for their mineral mining which would give them the money to rebuild and provide the investors with a return on their investment in due course. I think there should be some international charitable support too though.

 

[Hazelelponi]

That is an impressive amount of propaganda you’ve swallowed.

. That's funny I have thought the same thing about many on the other side.

Seems we may have different spirits? mine is tied to my land. I have no desire of global empire.

My personal preferences is to do well by everyone, treat everyone with fairness and require the same respect in return. I'm good with good neighbors, not with anything else.

 

[Bradskii]

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That is is exceptionally worrying. It's more than a little frightening.

 

[rebornfree]

Will no one defend Mr Trump? He needs support now more than ever.

Then he should stop making enemies of his friends: Canada, Greenland, Mexico, Europe, UK, Ukraine.

That is is exceptionally worrying. It's more than a little frightening.

Yes, the way he spoke is terrible, but as much as I hate the way he is behaving I don't hate him. I feel a bit sorry for him because I think he's the victim of the Peter Principle, i.e. being promoted beyond your level of competence. Because he's run his own company, probably surrounded by 'yes' people, he's been able to do what he wants, maybe without as many legal constraints as we have in our countries. Then there were the political supporters who almost idolised him. I think they did him no favours. So now he feels he can put everything to rights without appropriate experience or diplomatic skills. But yes, it is worrying. I feel concerned and I hate what he has said.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Zelinsky is no better than Putin.

How so?

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

[citation needed]

 

[Bradskii]

Yes, the way he spoke is terrible, but as much as I hate the way he is behaving I don't hate him. I feel a bit sorry for him...

You feel sorry for him? What he has said, what he has done over the years...it's absolutely contemptible. I won't even quote Biden's opinion of the man and his morals because it might get me into trouble with the mods. And now what he is doing with regard to Ukraine? It could have very serious implications for millions. He is a danger to the world.

Sorry for him? Good grief...

 

[iluvatar5150]

. That's funny I have thought the same thing about many on the other side.

Seems we may have different spirits? mine is tied to my land. I have no desire of global empire.

My personal preferences is to do well by everyone, treat everyone with fairness and require the same respect in return. I'm good with good neighbors, not with anything else.

...and yet you just equated Zelinsky with Putin.

 

[rebornfree]

You feel sorry for him? What he has said, what he has done over the years...it's absolutely contemptible. I won't even quote Biden's opinion of the man and his morals because it might get me into trouble with the mods. And now what he is doing with regard to Ukraine? It could have very serious implications for millions. He is a danger to the world.

Sorry for him? Good grief...

Oh don't misunderstand me, I think he's a danger too and have often said, on CF, that I think he is unsuitable for world leadership as have others too. But the Maga lot didn't listen, whether the concern was from their fellow citizens or foreigners like myself. Look at my post #70 above (also #68 and #72). I've often 'liked' your posts so I don't think that we are so far apart in our views. I do not like what he is doing, I think he is a danger to the world, I am concerned and I hate how he has spoken about Zelensky. However the ones I feel puzzled about are his supporters. How could they put him in the role of President? I think that it is partly that adulation which has increased his sense of invincibility. But no, I don't like what he is doing and I am extremely angry about the way that he spoke about Zelensky and his team met with the Russians without involving Ukraine.

 

[Belk]

Zelinsky is no better than Putin.

I'm done supporting crazy dictators all around the world myself, and I'm done creating the conditions around the world that support them.

We already know this is a war for mineral rights. No need to destroy the Ukrainian people over it. We can work something out.

It was Biden who invited Putin to invade in the first place.

Quote him please.