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Freckle Face Strawberry banned by Trump administration

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Is it just me or is it weird that the author calls this freckled red-head "freckleface strawberry"? Isn't that demeaning? Or is it empowering like black people calling each the n-word? I don't know. I don't know how the world works.
 
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Is it just me or is it weird that the author calls this freckled red-head "freckleface strawberry"? Isn't that demeaning? Or is it empowering like black people calling each the n-word? I don't know. I don't know how the world works.

Yes, I think it is just you in this case.

It is a story.

It is a story about kids that are mean to a little red-headed girl with freckles and how she deals with that.

The kids that are mean to her call her "Freckleface Strawberry". Thus, that is the name of the book. Yes, it is demeaning. It is the insult the mean kids call the little girl in the book. As a kid I had red hair and freckles and was teased a lot so I can relate a bit.

Tell you what - you (and everyone else) can actually watch a you-tube of someone reading the book. The video even shows all the pages and illustrations in the book, and decide for yourself.

 
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Yes, I think it is just you in this case.

It is a story.

It is a story about kids that are mean to a little red-headed girl with freckles and how she deals with that.

The kids that are mean to her call her "Freckleface Strawberry". Thus, that is the name of the book. Yes, it is demeaning. It is the insult the mean kids call the little girl in the book. As a kid I had red hair and freckles and was teased a lot so I can relate a bit.

Tell you what - you (and everyone else) can actually watch a you-tube of someone reading the book. The video even shows all the pages and illustrations in the book, and decide for yourself.
I think it's a thorny issue.

 
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"Obviously" this freckle/red acceptance is just a stalking horse for considering how kids with the various forbidden identities fit in. Thats why the Trump admin wants it gone.
Forbidden identities?
 
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Gender being banned?
You didn't know? From here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...xtends-stonewall-monument-website-2025-02-14/

'President Donald Trump on his first day in office on January 20 signed an order demanding government employees refer only to "sex" and not "gender," and declaring sex to be an "immutable biological reality" that precludes any change in gender identity. '

And from here: ‘Mind-boggling’: US CDC orders gender-related terms cut from scientific papers

'The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has mandated that all scientific manuscripts produced by its researchers that are under review at a journal be withdrawn so that certain language relating to gender can be stripped from them.'

It's your new world.
 
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You didn't know? From here: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tr...xtends-stonewall-monument-website-2025-02-14/

'President Donald Trump on his first day in office on January 20 signed an order demanding government employees refer only to "sex" and not "gender," and declaring sex to be an "immutable biological reality" that precludes any change in gender identity. '

And from here: ‘Mind-boggling’: US CDC orders gender-related terms cut from scientific papers

'The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has mandated that all scientific manuscripts produced by its researchers that are under review at a journal be withdrawn so that certain language relating to gender can be stripped from them.'

It's your new world.
So Trump orders that dangerous and divisive "gender ideology" not be promoted by the government, and somehow that translates in your mind as "gender being banned". ^_^ Bizarre, truly bizarre.
 
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So Trump orders that dangerous and divisive "gender ideology" not be promoted by the government, and somehow that translates in your mind as "gender being banned". Bizarre, truly bizarre.
No, it's not that they've decided 'not to promote' gender ideology. They have literally said that gender now does not exist. And again, I mean that quite literally. To the extent that they have even banned the word. Check out any dictionary on the planet and it will tell you what gender means, as opposed to biological sex. Except now in the US.

Trump thinks that if he doesn't like something then forcing people to stop talking about it will make it go away. Some might consider the man to be foolish to think that.

This is your new world.
 
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No, it's not that they've decided 'not to promote' gender ideology. They have literally said that gender now does not exist. And again, I mean that quite literally. To the extent that they have even banned the word. Check out any dictionary on the planet and it will tell you what gender means, as opposed to biological sex. Except now in the US.
I know what older definitions and etymologies say. Sex and gender are the same, except that gender was a linguistic expression which applied to certain languages more than to humans. I'm not interested in what some 1960's feminist propagandists decided they wanted it to mean.
Trump thinks that if he doesn't like something then forcing people to stop talking about it will make it go away.
It only applies to the U.S. government, which Trump is in charge of. You and your ilk are free to talk gender nonsense all you want.
The man is a fool.
It's against CF rules to flame/goad public figures.
This is your new world.
Who knows, it may only last four years. Why don't you relax, have a Foster's and let me enjoy my wonderful new world while it's here.
 
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I know what older definitions and etymologies say.
I'm not talking about what things meant in the past. I'm talking about any dictionary, any article, any medical or psychology paper, any mention of the term gender right now. You can't redefine something because you don't like the definition. Oh, my bad. Trump thinks he can.
It only applies to the U.S. government, which Trump is in charge of. You and your ilk are free to talk gender nonsense all you want.
Yes. It will still exist even if he says it doesn't. Some people, as I said, might think him foolish for thinking that he could change things by simply banning the use of a word. I guess you don't. But then it did appear that you were unaware of it earlier. Maybe you've had a chance to rethink it.
 
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A children's book where a girl with freckles comes to accept and embrace being different seems to be a threat from a Trumpian viewpoint!

For now it is banned from any Pentagon schools, which I take to mean any schools for military dependents. Ironically the author was a military brat and knows first hand that problems military dependents face.
The only schools that are "Pentagon" schools are those overseas run by the DoD School System. Military children in the States attend state-run schools (or private or chartered schools) even if the school is located on military property. If those schools are removing books, that's "malicious compliance" going on.

And even in the DoDSS schools, if they're just pulling out books willy-nilly, that's still malicious compliance. The Trump Executive Orders are pretty specific about the identity politics characteristics they're seeking to eliminate.
 
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That would be my guess as well.

Some underling was given the task and X number of days to do it. Given the speed they are moving the time frame to do the work was likely small.

Said underling probably realized researching all the books enough to make an accurate assessment would be impossible in the time frame.

So, instead they drew a more or less arbitrary line that was probably an "educated guess" and said, "Job is done boss!!!". This book ended up on the wrong side of that line.

Probably a bit of that going around these days.
They were given 90 days. Plenty of time to ask for clarification up the chain of command.
 
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The only schools that are "Pentagon" schools are those overseas run by the DoD School System. Military children in the States attend state-run schools (or private or chartered schools) even if the school is located on military property. If those schools are removing books, that's "malicious compliance" going on.

And even in the DoDSS schools, if they're just pulling out books willy-nilly, that's still malicious compliance. The Trump Executive Orders are pretty specific about the identity politics characteristics they're seeking to eliminate.

True, when my kids attended a "base" school, it was run by the county.
 
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I'm not talking about what things meant in the past. I'm talking about any dictionary, any article, any medical or psychology paper, any mention of the term gender right now. You can't redefine something because you don't like the definition. Oh, my bad. Trump thinks he can.
You're the science denier who's playing along with the redefining.
Yes. It will still exist even if he says it doesn't. Some people, as I said, might think him foolish for thinking that he could change things by simply banning the use of a word. I guess you don't. But then it did appear that you were unaware of it earlier. Maybe you've had a chance to rethink it.
I follow the news a bit. I knew what Trump did, and I know it's not the bizarre thing that you claimed he did.
 
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You're the science denier who's playing along with the redefining.
We know what gender means. Banning the word doesn't change that. It's a sop to those who deny reality. It changes nothing. But it confirms a lot.
I follow the news a bit. I knew what Trump did, and I know it's not the bizarre thing that you claimed he did.
You thought it was bizarre when it was pointed out what he did. Now you say it's not bizzare that he's taken a common word that's used world wide and said 'it doesn't mean that any more.' Presumably because he thinks that the concept of gender will magically dissapear.
 
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I know what older definitions and etymologies say. Sex and gender are the same, except that gender was a linguistic expression which applied to certain languages more than to humans. I'm not interested in what some 1960's feminist propagandists decided they wanted it to mean.
The language issue is significant. Most European languages are gendered. In almost all of those dogs have a masculine gender and cats feminine gender. Even in English ships are female.
 
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The language issue is significant. Most European languages are gendered. In almost all of those dogs have a masculine gender and cats feminine gender.
In the romance languages (French, Italian, Spanish etc) the words for cat and dog change whether it's male or female. Perro, perra, gato, gata etc.
 
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