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That's nuts. Well, if we go with the Louisiana route of forbidding recommending or even mentioning the availability of vaccines, this problem may be self-solving. Measles cases are on the rise in West Texas and Georgia. Tuberculosis is rising in Kansas. Teens are dying of flu in San Diego.

Finding out.


Male america stupid again !
Well, we are working on dismantling the Dept. of Education and banning books in libraries and criminalizing book distribution, so...
Or even make America great again!!
Greater than ever.
 
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In 2014 Flint found lead in the water and Republicans bashed the Democratic mayor over it. They are still working on the problem but if you think about replacing the lead pipe in the existing structure will be a time/money-consuming undertaking.

I think Trump is dumb because we need a time limit and benefits for individual homeowners. After all our government knew lead paint was dangerous in the 80s but no one thought (out of sight out of mind) about lead pipes after 30 years or maybe some did but realized the undertaking.
 
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In 2014 Flint found lead in the water and Republicans bashed the Democratic mayor over it. They are still working on the problem but if you think about replacing the lead pipe in the existing structure will be a time/money-consuming undertaking.

I think Trump is dumb because we need a time limit and benefits for individual homeowners. After all our government knew lead paint was dangerous in the 80s but no one thought (out of sight out of mind) about lead pipes after 30 years or maybe some did but realized the undertaking.
I'm still baffled that lead pipes were used at all at any point. Here they were never used. Well with the caveat that at the early stages of building the water infrastructure, they were allowed in emergency cases but with the strict understanding that they be replaced as soon as possible (and they were) as they were only allowed as temporary solutions.
 
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I'm still baffled that lead pipes were used at all at any point.
I don't think we knew better back in the caveman days. I had to look it up and was disappointed, 1800s! lol Someday we will wake up to corporation's greed and harm to Americans.

"Early Lead in Water Infrastructure from AI search:
In the early stages of building water infrastructure, lead pipes were commonly used because they were durable and easy to work with.
However, concerns about the potential toxicity of lead from water that passed through these pipes were documented even before lead came into widespread use.
By the late 1800s, lead pipes were well recognized as a cause of lead poisoning.
Despite this, the lead industry used various methods to promote their products, including publishing educational materials and lobbying government agencies.
By the early 20th century, the public health community had become convinced that lead water pipes should be avoided due to their health risks".
 
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I don't think we knew better back in the caveman days. I had to look it up and was disappointed, 1800s! lol Someday we will wake up to corporation's greed and harm to Americans.

"Early Lead in Water Infrastructure from AI search:
In the early stages of building water infrastructure, lead pipes were commonly used because they were durable and easy to work with.
However, concerns about the potential toxicity of lead from water that passed through these pipes were documented even before lead came into widespread use.
By the late 1800s, lead pipes were well recognized as a cause of lead poisoning.
Despite this, the lead industry used various methods to promote their products, including publishing educational materials and lobbying government agencies.
By the early 20th century, the public health community had become convinced that lead water pipes should be avoided due to their health risks".
Nanny state. But it’s one thing to mandate that lead pipes be replaced, one very good thing imo, and quite another to forbid local municipalities from mandating it.
 
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(these Reuters and StateLine articles cover the "pros"/"cons" back when it was first proposed)

So, it sounds like the arguments against it are multi-faceted

It doesn't sound like anyone is saying "who care if there's lead in the water", the objections seem to be rooted in logistic and economic concerns with regards to the aggressive timeline.

Since some red states seem to be more impacted by it, 15 Republican Attorneys General voiced concern about the fact that
1) Homeowners may end up having to bear the brunt of the line section replacement that runs under their own property
2) The public utility companies in red states are the ones that would have to come up with a way to accomplish it all in 10 years
3) Given that the costs for the materials required aren't static and subject to massive price swings, it can be difficult to commit to certain timelines and budgets if the price of materials is subject to drastic price shifts


“It took us close to 100 years to get all of these service lines in the ground, and the EPA is asking us to get them out in 10 years,” said Tom Dobbins, CEO of the Association of Metropolitan Water Agencies, an advocacy group for publicly owned water systems. “The administration grossly underestimated the cost. Obviously, if the federal government doesn’t provide the funding for this, the ratepayers will have to pay for this. That exacerbates certain communities’ affordability issues.”

And it's not just the local leaders on the republican side who have sounded some alarm bells. Chicago has already started trying to undertake this effort, and they've said the following:

“We’re looking at federal money, we’re looking at bonds, we’re looking at different loans and grants,” said Randy Conner, commissioner of the Chicago Department of Water Management. “We’re making sure we turn over all the couch cushions to find every quarter we can possibly find to put towards this effort.”

Chicago has an estimated 400,000 lead pipes, more than any other U.S. city. Because of the sheer scale of the problem, the EPA gave Chicago an extended deadline of 20 years to replace its lines. Even so, that would require pulling out 19,000 lines a year, well more than the city’s current pace of 8,000. That work will cost about $780 million annually, according to city officials.

Conner said the city is hoping for more federal and state support to avoid placing a heavy burden on ratepayers.



So, it's one of those things where the request is reasonable, but the timeline may not be, and municipalities and public water departments are concerned about the funding commitments (or lack of), and certainly local leaders have to keep their constituents in mind with regards to measures that could end up with a homeowner getting a $7,000 bill sprung on them that they didn't ask for, and weren't expecting.
 
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Measles cases are on the rise in West Texa
Link above from Feb 7th had 6 cases in Gaines County, Texas

At least 22 children and two adults infected in [Gaines County] Texas measles outbreak

None of the 24 infected individuals had been immunized with the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, the health authority said. Two of them are adults, and the other 22 are children. Nine patients were hospitalized.

Department of State Health Services ... warned that additional cases were likely given the highly infectious nature of the disease.

Of the three schools in Gaines County that were tracked by the DSHS during the 2023-24 school year, the highest MMR vaccination rate among kindergarten-age students was about 94.3 percent. The lowest was about 46.2 percent, data from the department showed

[Herd immunity for measles requires about 95% vaccination rates]
 
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Link above from Feb 7th had 6 cases in Gaines County, Texas

At least 22 children and two adults infected in [Gaines County] Texas measles outbreak

None of the 24 infected individuals had been immunized with the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, the health authority said. Two of them are adults, and the other 22 are children. Nine patients were hospitalized.

Department of State Health Services ... warned that additional cases were likely given the highly infectious nature of the disease.

Of the three schools in Gaines County that were tracked by the DSHS during the 2023-24 school year, the highest MMR vaccination rate among kindergarten-age students was about 94.3 percent. The lowest was about 46.2 percent, data from the department showed

[Herd immunity for measles requires about 95% vaccination rates]
Measles is highly infectious.
 
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Link above from Feb 7th had 6 cases in Gaines County, Texas

At least 22 children and two adults infected in [Gaines County] Texas measles outbreak

None of the 24 infected individuals had been immunized with the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, the health authority said. Two of them are adults, and the other 22 are children. Nine patients were hospitalized.
In western Texas, a measles outbreak doubled from 24 confirmed cases on Tuesday to 48 cases on Friday, according to the Department of State Health Services (DSHS). This marks the largest measles outbreak in the state in more than 30 years, according to a DSHS spokesperson.

All of the cases are in unvaccinated individuals or individuals whose vaccination status is unknown, and 13 people have been hospitalized so far.

Meanwhile, in neighboring New Mexico, three unrelated [???] cases of measles were confirmed last week in Lea County, which borders Gaines County ... "While a connection to the Texas outbreak is suspected, it remains unconfirmed," according to a news release from the NMDOH.
 
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In western Texas, a measles outbreak doubled from 24 confirmed cases on Tuesday to 48 cases on Friday, according to the Department of State Health Services (DSHS). This marks the largest measles outbreak in the state in more than 30 years, according to a DSHS spokesperson.

All of the cases are in unvaccinated individuals or individuals whose vaccination status is unknown, and 13 people have been hospitalized so far.

Meanwhile, in neighboring New Mexico, three unrelated [???] cases of measles were confirmed last week in Lea County, which borders Gaines County ... "While a connection to the Texas outbreak is suspected, it remains unconfirmed," according to a news release from the NMDOH.
... Everything is big in Texas?
 
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Well it's important to note that national leadership to tout vaccines as a very good preventative cure for measles should be forthcoming from a health leadership that doesn't have their heads firmly stuck in a hole in the ground.

I'm sure it's coming anytime now.
 
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Leader of FDA food division resigns

Jim Jones, head of the food division at the Food and Drug Administration, has resigned, according to a source familiar with the matter. The division is tasked with ensuring that the country's food supply is safe, overseeing inspections and recalls.

Jones stepped in to lead the FDA’s food division in 2023, after three decades at the Environmental Protection Agency.

He most recently oversaw the Biden administration's ban on the Red No. 3 dye in January, as well as the FDA's investigation of contaminated applesauce linked to dozens of lead poisoning cases in children in late 2023 and the aftermath of the infant formula shortage.
 
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The Texas Department of State Health Services is reporting an outbreak of measles in the South Plains region of Texas. At this time, 90 cases have been identified since late January. Sixteen of the patients have been hospitalized. Five of the cases are vaccinated. The rest are unvaccinated, or their vaccination status is unknown. Due to the highly contagious nature of this disease, additional cases are likely to occur in the outbreak area and the surrounding communities. DSHS is working with local health departments to investigate the outbreak.
 
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The Texas Department of State Health Services is reporting an outbreak of measles in the South Plains region of Texas. At this time, 90 cases have been identified since late January. Sixteen of the patients have been hospitalized. Five of the cases are vaccinated. The rest are unvaccinated, or their vaccination status is unknown. Due to the highly contagious nature of this disease, additional cases are likely to occur in the outbreak area and the surrounding communities. DSHS is working with local health departments to investigate the outbreak.
See? Vaccinations don't actually prevent infection.
 
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